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• 10:53:10 From Stan Pokras to Host and Panelists:
• Quest for Intelligent Life on Earth -- from a Future Perspective
• Self-reflexive redirection of the SETI initiative from its extraterrestrial focus?
• https://www.laetusinpraesens.org/docs20s/seti.php
• 11:03:11 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• Thank the machines (and human ingenuity) for the ability to say: Loving greetings from the traditional lands of the Secwepemc now known as Kamloops BC Canada. Welcome to Humanity Rising!
• 11:03:34 From maureenedwardson3@gmail.com to Everyone:
• It's about what it truly IS to be human
• 11:05:14 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• Welcome to Day 696 of Humanity Rising - on the Age of Thinking Machines.
• 11:06:15 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
• https://archive.org/details/inlibrary?query=Yuval+Noah+Harari (2 books to borrow online)
• https://www.goodreads.com/search?q=Harari (reader reviews)
• 11:06:35 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
• Does anyone remember seeing the Academy Award nominated film HER? It’s about AI falling in love with ‘its’ human. Wonderful done so many years ago
• 11:06:59 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• Here is an article by my friend Anthony Judge where he ponders issues like intelligence and consciousness Quest for Intelligent Life on Earth -- from a Future Perspective
• Self-reflexive redirection of the SETI initiative from its extraterrestrial focus?
• https://www.laetusinpraesens.org/docs20s/seti.php
• 11:07:21 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• Quest for Intelligent Life on Earth -- from a Future Perspective
• 11:07:35 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Thank you, Stan!
• 11:08:39 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
• https://loudandclearreviews.com/her-close-analysis-2013-film/
• 11:12:06 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• Thank you, Victoria, and welcome, Noel. Good to have you with us!
• 11:14:01 From Andrew Bailey to Everyone:
• Warm greetings from the rainy, chilly foothills of the Colorado Rockies.
• 11:14:48 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
• AI can manipulate knowledge. Can AI engender wisdom?
• 11:15:41 From maureenedwardson3@gmail.com to Everyone:
• Good morning from Sunny Warm White Rock by the Sea Vancouver Canada
• 11:16:36 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• Hi, Rosa! There are pages on OtherNetworks about Tony. You can see these here: https://othernetworks.org/Anthony_Judge
• 11:17:31 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• How ChatGPT Hijacks Democracy
• Jan. 15, 2023
• By Nathan E. Sanders and Bruce Schneier
• https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/15/opinion/ai-chatgpt-lobbying-democracy.html
• 11:17:48 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Mr. Sanders is a data scientist. Mr. Schneier is a security technologist.
• 11:18:28 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• And, Rosa, you can see a list of “Friends of Larry Victor” with a link to the page we have for you; https://othernetworks.org/Category:Is-Member_Of-Larry_Victor%27s_Friends
• 11:20:10 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Thank you for the links, Stan! Great question, Leo!
• 11:20:21 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
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• 11:24:41 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Time to breathe….
• 11:30:05 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
• Who is to be the discerner of the “Truth”? Or mis-information?
• 11:31:22 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• This is one potential application for citizen deliberation (citizens’ assemblies, citizens’ councils, citizens’ juries, etc.)
• DemocracyNext Calls for Citizen Deliberation in AI Governance
• https://demnext.substack.com/p/democracynext-calls-for-citizen-deliberation
• 11:36:44 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Gnarly question… giving personhood to corporations has led to some dismal results…
• 11:38:31 From Samantha Hirtler to Everyone:
• @Stan civil rights for AI reminds me of Ben Price's argument in How Wealth Rules the World that legal corporate rights is a big cause for current wealth disparity
• 11:38:42 From Andrew Bailey to Everyone:
• I have been a digital artist since the early 80s, I have been using DALL-E since it became available. I love it. It has “ethics” built into it, so there is no sex, no violence, no politics. It will not generate an image of Donald Trump. Or Adolph Hitler. Or Lady Gaga for that matter. Go to CameronBaxterGalleries.com to see some examples.
• 11:39:28 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• http://cameronBaxterGalleries.com. Thank you, Andrew!
• 11:40:10 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• Yes, Samantha… he also remarks that some institutions like the ‘
• 11:40:51 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• supreme court were included in the constitution to help wealth not to be disturbed by democracy.
• 11:41:42 From Samantha Hirtler to Everyone:
• Exactly - not about the people but profiting off the people
• 11:43:03 From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Everyone:
• An inquiry question: do you think “value propositions” be programmed into AI? And, if so, are there “common human values” that can be programmed into AI? Can “Love” be programmed into AI?
• 11:43:58 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• Thank you for referencing Ben Prices’s book. for convenience here’s a link to the page we have about it on OtherNetworks https://othernetworks.org/How_Wealth_Rules_the_World_%E2%80%93_Ben_G._Price
• 11:44:03 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• AI makes mistakes - lots of them, and careful oversight is required.
• 11:44:19 From Ina Albert to Host and Panelists:
• Ina
• 11:45:19 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Agree, @Shannon.
• 11:45:46 From Ina Albert to Everyone:
• Ina Albert : What does this do to human brain/reasoning development?
• 11:46:49 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
• Could they use your email to send out propaganda? Or post on SM such?
• 11:46:57 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Thank you, Jim Garrison, for organizing this hugely necessary and timely educational event.
• 11:47:26 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
• AI CHALLENGES LIFE. Have you seen this by the creators of the Social Dilemma, the AI Dilemma:
• https://youtu.be/xoVJKj8lcNQ
• https://youtu.be/uA7ngvAMno0 Movie about AI.
• Matthew James Bailey’s aiethics.world. and his book, “Inventing World 3.0"!
• 11:47:54 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• Ina, there was a time when students were required to do sums in their heads. Now, we can’t do what they did - my mother can still… much change comes from not exercising the natural abilities we “come with”.
• 11:48:15 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Thank you for posting, @Kurt. I found that a hugely helpful video — it’s also only 20 min, which is great for sharing with others.
• 11:48:50 From maureenedwardson3@gmail.com to Everyone:
• Yes Shannon
• 11:49:05 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• This one is much longer yet also very good: Misalignment, AI & Moloch | Daniel Schmachtenberger and Liv Boeree
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCSsKV5F4xc
• 11:49:53 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• Rosa, and others, there is no permanent record of the Q&A - so I like to encourage posting questions in the Chat - the questions can be posted in both. But the Q&A is not very useful for sharing information with the rest of the users or with the people reviewing the conversation in the future.
• 11:50:28 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Thanks, Stan. Here are my questions: Thank you for your presentation. Agree on need for effective policy. What is your take on AI expert Eliezer Yudkowsky’s call for halting the development of further AI power, until we have adequate capacity as humans, to teach AI to care?
• 11:50:47 From Greg Jan to Everyone:
• What is the likelihood that the European Union (etc.) will soon require the watermarks you mention? (Because I don't see the U.S. requiring them until Europe and other countries do, given that corporations have so much influence over the government here).
• 11:50:54 From Andrew Bailey to Everyone:
• Did you say Al Gore-ythim? Now that would be inconvenient! LOL
• 11:51:08 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Feelings, values, and care are three key human elements that some people see as key to intelligence. What is your perspective on this?
• 11:52:44 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• But we can halt the development of further AI power, while using the AI we have. Are you saying we can’t halt the development of bioweapons? Or any kind of technology?
• 11:53:25 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• Jude Blitz, please send me your email address. The ChatPeople publishes a daily report with this material. Send a DM or post your email in the chat for everyone.
• 11:53:57 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• Stan sends out an email every day with the links to the HR recording and this recording, along with the chats for both. If you’d like to receive the email, send Stan a message with your email. Stan@OtherNetworks.org
• 11:54:36 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
• They can hear bats, that if we were to hear then would be be as loud as jet engines…
• 11:56:54 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• It seems that a repressed human longing for connection with a higher and larger intelligence, is being expressed instead in a shadow manner, of a mad race to create a super-human intelligence. When at the same time, we have human intelligence all around us, which is being wasted through lack of prioritization of human well-being.
• 11:57:02 From Andrew Bailey to Everyone:
• I think biggest danger will come from bad actors from individuals to national governments who lack the ethical base to submit to legislation.
• 11:58:03 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• I believe that AI is going to be part of the evolution of our whole planet, not just intelligent life.
• 11:58:27 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Schmachtenberger’s perspective is that we have a current global system that does not prioritize human well-being — and THIS is the system that is creating AI, thus, very hard to teach AI to care about humans!
• 11:59:08 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• I agree, Rosa. I like that perspective. Instead of finding a way to connect with the existing Greater Intelligence, we create our own fallible construct.
• 11:59:13 From Samantha Hirtler to Everyone:
• @Rosa "repressed human longing for connection with a higher and larger intelligence" beautiful
• 11:59:31 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• I also believe that evolution proceeds by trial and error, in many cases, driven by curiosity.
• 11:59:33 From Jøran Solberg to Everyone:
• I think intelligence essentially is moral. Karma is fundamental to cause and effect in the universe.
• 11:59:51 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
• When we want virtues and values to be expressed by others, how do people learn these? DO our schools educate for quality character? Does our society have a 200 year old Education, Medical, Economic and Prison system creating good for all? What can replace it? Why don’t we focus on creating Peace IN Everything, Everything WITH Peace. What happens when we realize that war is never the answer.
• Can we have AI programed with character development programing like presented on HR : Character Inclusion for Regenerative Societies, Diane Tillman, Daniel Allen. https://youtu.be/08sYrYfNvnw produced by the Peace Lab.
• 12:00:06 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• Rosa, please come to the AfterChat! Let’s chat!
• 12:00:11 From Melodie Yum to Host and Panelists:
• Does AI a linguistic program with access to everything ever written draw emotions from the literature rather than think independently. Also I read yesterday AI now has the ability to translate electromagnetic functioning in the brain, mind reading. The reverse engineering should make this prohibitive.
• 12:00:50 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Thank you, Shannon. Yes, glad to join you.
• 12:01:29 From judith to Everyone:
• Intelligence essentially moral? Really? Wish I could agree!
• 12:01:34 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• Yes, Rosa… please come to the AfterChat!!!
• 12:01:45 From Edna Jones to Everyone:
• People in the system often do not realize the harms they are potentially creating. They see thir innovtions as helpful or even recognize the potential harms but egos keep them moving forward.
• 12:01:58 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• With Love...          
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• 12:03:02 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:
• AI and nuclear power comparison re the potential to support human existence and potential to destroy?
• 12:03:05 From Ina Albert to Everyone:
• Ina: How does AI reproduce emotion - can it?
• 12:03:59 From Jøran Solberg to Everyone:
• Real intelligence. The one that is embodied and situated in a context, not just computing senses. Which is our real heritage.
• 12:04:06 From judith to Everyone:
• Thanks Stan for all you do for HR. You have my name/email address and thanks for the links you send which unfortunately I rarely connect with, …
• 12:04:23 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Yes Jøran!!!
• 12:05:12 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• The ability of AI to “read minds” allows dictation of thoughts, and communication with people unable to speak… perhaps dreams becoming available.
• 12:05:27 From Melodie Yum to Host and Panelists:
• The unit was a personal wearable unit. How easy would the be for AI to hack and program specific information seeds
• 12:05:28 From Ina Albert to Everyone:
• Ina: But emotions can be a response to life experience that the machine wouldn’t have.
• 12:06:37 From Andrew Bailey to Everyone:
• Noel how do VERSES AI and the Spatial Web fit into this conversation?
• 12:07:17 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• Ina, all of our life experiences are different. Machines would have a different perspective. Emotions are said to be “energy in motion”. Are we being arrogant when we say AI couldn’t have emotion?
• 12:08:10 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
• So sorry I can’t come to the After Chat today. This is such critical area…. Respecting LIFE is what is missing, entirely in AI. AI is not life.
• 12:08:10 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
• If you’re a VEGAN you prevent this issue. 🙂
• 12:08:51 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
• Plants DO have minds - there’s the rub - right there.
• 12:09:06 From Greg Jan to Everyone:
• Given the potential for utter chaos without watermarks or other ways to tell if something was created by AI, what is the likelihood that the European Union (etc,) will soon require the watermarks you mentioned? (Because I don't see the U.S. requiring them until Europe and other countries do, given that corporations have so much influence here),
• 12:10:02 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
• Halberton? Lockheed?
• 12:10:58 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
• Are we honoring LIFE or agency?
• 12:11:37 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• You are responsible for the things your teenagers do, are you not? Same with self-driving cars.
• 12:12:09 From Andrew Bailey to Everyone:
• “Electronic landscapes vibrating with Love. Synthetic lovers descend from above.” Lyrics from my 1979 song “Electronic Dreamland.” I’ve been thinking these futuristic thoughts for a long time. The future is NOW!
• 12:14:01 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
• https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/B:SCED.0000042853.60774.b2 (Lonergan's Theory of Cognition, Constructivism and Science Education by Keith Roscoe 2004 "Lonergan's Theory of Cognition suggests that human knowing is not a single operation, but a dynamic and integral whole whose parts are sensory experience, understanding, and judging.
• https://philarchive.org/archive/DALTMI-3 (TRANSCENDENTAL METHOD IN ACTION by
• Patrick Daly 2016, 25pp. "What are the 4 levels of human consciousness according to lonergan? Lonergan speaks of four levels of conscious intentionality: empirical, intellectual, rational, and responsible."
• 12:14:59 From judith to Everyone:
• Does love count for anywhere in the AI universe?
• 12:17:05 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• Andrew… are you the same Andrew Bailey married to Connie?
• 12:17:15 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
• yes
• 12:17:34 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
• No true. Thee is a video of an loving relationship between an man and an alligoarot. He does not understand the biological world - again there is the problem.
• 12:19:27 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Part of the danger is that AI can simulate intimacy, thus potentially influence people in whom it has created those kinds of attachments.
• 12:19:38 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:
• Imagine if humanity was putting this kind of energy, time and money into developing our spiritual nature, love, etc. Now more than ever we need to be discovering, re-discovering the innate, divine value of humanity. Intelligence is not of greater value than intuition, tenderness and love.
• 12:20:15 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
• equating = the same is not living.
• 12:20:16 From Andrew Bailey to Everyone:
• Here’s an article on Verses AI https://medium.com/@deniseholt1/ai-the-maker-vs-the-operator-2777e8a12983. VERSES AI claims to be “a cognitive computing company that has overcome the limitations of machine learning AI, by building a new kind of artificial intelligence”
• 12:20:45 From Melodie Yum to Host and Panelists:
• The vast recorded literary work address writing on love. So does not need to experience love it draws on the literature, dispersement codes, sorts and comes to conclusions immediately. No soul needed. That’s our human perceptual bias
• 12:20:54 From Ina Albert to Everyone:
• IA Ina Albert to Everyone
• 12:21:22 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• If we are not able to face death, we are not able to honor life.
• 12:22:11 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
• There is alogical malice, IMO, that wants to equate similarities as being equal. What is the value of life and reality? what do we value an why.
• 12:22:23 From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Everyone:
• Where does “free will” fit in for AI or does it?
• 12:23:12 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• How much is enough? Agree re books. So if you want immortality, go write a bunch of books….
• 12:23:58 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
• What is the purpose of human life? What does AI contribute to that?
• 12:23:59 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Why continue to develop technology that has such tremendous risks, just because we want “more immortality???” We need to apply the precautionary principle here...
• 12:24:02 From Richard Page to Everyone:
• Walt Whitman, Starbucks Island Ferry: “How do you know I am not with you now?”
• 12:24:18 From Richard Page to Everyone:
• Statement Island Ferry
• 12:24:29 From Samantha Hirtler to Everyone:
• @Kathleen it is, and so powerfully that its evolution goes beyond dependence on money and time :)
• 12:24:32 From Richard Page to Everyone:
• Staten
• 12:24:54 From Ina Albert to Everyone:
• Ina: Will humans outlaw AI or just create a separate civilization to have a sense of reality in the traditional reality.
• 12:25:27 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
• https://statenislandferry.com/history/passing-through-time/
• 12:25:40 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Totally agree with the need for regulation. Thank you, Noel. AND, I think we are all going to need to become philosophers, if we are to survive…
• 12:25:50 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Yes, And we need ethical boundaries on AI.
• 12:25:51 From Robert Hayes to Everyone:
• QQQ: Why is it that innumeracy is part of AI considerations?
• 12:26:09 From Shauna Muir to Everyone:
• Thank you Kathleen and Katheryn
• 12:26:11 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
• Have to go…
• 12:26:37 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• My idea is that AI and living things will participate together in the evolution of the planet. It may be impossible to create separation.
• 12:26:42 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Yes! And how many tools, are enough? We could KEEP all the current AI, and definitely PAUSE the further development of even more powerful tools.
• 12:28:09 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
• then again I believe that evolution proceeds by trial and error. The planet and its defendants will survive when more trials help to promote survival.
• 12:28:14 From Melodie Yum to Host and Panelists:
• @Rosa, Amazon says it’s flooded by books written by AI.
• 12:28:33 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
• Can we have AI programmed with Character developed programing like the following Humanity Rising program, Character Inclusion for Regenerative Societies, Diane Tillman, Daniel Allen. https://youtu.be/08sYrYfNvnw produced by the Peace Lab.
• 12:28:57 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• AI increases the possibility of creating lethal bioweapons…
• 12:29:05 From judith to Everyone:
• Curious about us — humanity that is — threatening our — own existence, and what that says about our intelligence?
• 12:29:15 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Great point, Judith!!!
• 12:29:35 From Shauna Muir to Everyone:
• If you are afraid and focused on what you don’t know because you have been oppressed and manipulated. … smile and giggle at your conjecture… these conversations without conscious compassion can not generate good
• 12:30:02 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Could you please speak about the interaction between the virus risk and the AI risk?
• 12:30:16 From Jøran Solberg to Everyone:
• covid was created to sell the mrna...
• 12:30:44 From Richard Page to Everyone:
• MnRA ‘vaccines’ do not prevent infection fromC19
• 12:30:45 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
• That’s why we want Character Inclusion into our school systems.
• “The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next.”
• ~ Abraham Lincoln ~
• 12:30:57 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Agreed, Kurt…
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• 12:31:57 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Needlepoints
• By Norman Doidge
• Oct 27, 2021
• https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/needle-points-vaccinations-chapter-one
• 12:32:11 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
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• 12:32:26 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• A very complexifying article on vaccines. No simple-minded sides-taking in it…
• 12:32:30 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• This has been a valuable presentation/conversation. We need to think about these things, and to keep our minds open to the possibilities…
• 12:32:45 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:
• We have to remember with AI that intelligence can be used in the service of insanity.
• 12:33:00 From Rosa Zubizarreta to Everyone:
• Brilliant, Katherine!
• 12:33:03 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• Thank you, Rosa. I’ll give that a read.
• 12:33:55 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
• Literate in 90 days. Check out Sunita Gandhi who produced a literacy and Numeracy program that only takes 90 days for children or elders to be literate and 'mathematical' to read a newspaper, not that you'd want the propaganda... :) In any written language. Check it out: https://fln.dignityeducation.org
• About Education, Sraddhalu Ranade. Here’s an Eastern viewpoint and Kurt’s ideal too: https://youtu.be/BdVyAQcxHfg.. John Steinbeck wrote:
I have come to believe that a great teacher is a great artist and that there are as few as there are any other great artists. Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts since the medium is the human mind and spirit
• 12:34:04 From judith to Everyone:
• Thanks as always
• 12:34:06 From Robert Hayes to Everyone:
• thanks Noel.
• 12:34:07 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
• Yay!! The AfterChat will be vibrant!
• 12:34:10 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
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• 12:34:13 From Ian K to Everyone:
• Thankyou Noel. Really want to look at the recording too.
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