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11:10:08 From Stan Pokras to Host and Panelists:
Welcome to Day 743 of Humanity Rising
11:10:25 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Welcome to Day 743 of Humanity Rising
11:10:48 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
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Welcome to Humanity Rising
With Love...
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11:12:56 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
LOVE Timothy Snyder, and his astute books: "ON TYRANNY: 20 Lessons for the 20th Century" An excellent!
11:14:06 From Auke van Nimwegen to Host and Panelists:
Yes, Snyder is a specialist not only on Ukraine but also on totaliarianism
11:15:01 From Stan Pokras to Auke van Nimwegen(Direct Message):
Please set the “To” to “Everyone”
11:15:20 From Auke van Nimwegen to Everyone:
Yes, Snyder is a specialist not only on Ukraine but also on totaliarianism
11:16:00 From Stan Pokras to Auke van Nimwegen(Direct Message):
Thank you.
11:18:53 From Auke van Nimwegen to Everyone:
Mychailo’s book ::https://www.amazon.com/Ukraines-Maidan-Russias-War-Revolution/dp/3838213270::
11:19:31 From Auke van Nimwegen to Everyone:
My article about the book ::https://medium.com/@aukevannimwegen/ukraines-revolution-of-dignity-a-new-frontier-for-human-development-efd03a98e6d0::
11:19:56 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Thanks for these great resources!
11:20:40 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
This is before or after 1 million ppl gathered?
11:21:25 From Auke van Nimwegen to Everyone:
The protests went on for about 3 months, the size of the crowd varied
11:23:42 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
From US perspective, what’s crucial to us is how our government was involved.
11:24:42 From Auke van Nimwegen to Everyone:
We will address that subject, but basically all this is without any involvement from the US government
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11:27:56 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
Who are separatists and how did they get tanks ?
11:28:43 From Auke van Nimwegen to Everyone:
They got the tanks from Russia, who instigated the insurrection
11:34:10 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
A brilliant simple clear humanistic name!🌹🌹🌹 THE DIGNITY revolution.
11:35:33 From Auke van Nimwegen to Everyone:
@Kim, yes, in his book he talks extensively about the meaning of this in Ukrainian, which is more than in English about human values
11:36:50 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Love the clear UNEQUIVOCAL FOCUS on HUMAN values! Eager to read his book!
11:38:39 From Hyacinth Oesterlin to Everyone:
Is Shoigu a Tartar?
11:41:13 From Maud Raber to Everyone:
No, Shoigu is from Tuvian town called Chadan
11:41:50 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
To protestors. Are protesters a volunteer militia in this case?
11:41:59 From Nick Gluzdov to Host and Panelists:
I see this is being broadcast at ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJjkSPL1GaU::. Question: where can I find yesterday’s recording? I had to skip the 2nd part.
11:42:30 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Excellent clarifications! Slashing and trashing all the (US) misinformation. Fascinating, interesting, and so clarifying! What a relief!
11:43:57 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Wow, the WEST can surely take a LESSON here! DIGNITY = WE!
11:44:15 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Nick, you can find links to yesterday here ::https://othernetworks.org/HR!Day742::
11:46:48 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Send me your email address to receive the links for today and an index to all 740+ episodes Stan@othernetworks.org or jus use this chat.
11:47:07 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:
Another excellent program with information to be absorbed, reflected on and shared.
11:47:47 From Auke van Nimwegen to Everyone:
We will have time for a Q and A, so you can post your questions here
11:50:40 From Nick Gluzdov to Host and Panelists:
Can you please address the large number of people who were compelled to flee from the Russian-occupied areas into other areas of Ukraine after 2014?
11:52:09 From Stan Pokras to Nick Gluzdov, Host and Panelists:
Nick, if you want alll who are watching to see your comments, set the “To” to “Everyone”
11:55:28 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
With Love...
Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.
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11:56:01 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
Hunter Biden and Barisma will agree Ukraine is not corrupt.
11:59:34 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
THRIVING WITH HETERARCHY! LOVE THIS DEEP VALUE!
12:00:47 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Solidarity and love! Sovereignty!!!
12:01:04 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
LOVE the bees analogy!
12:01:14 From Hyacinth Oesterlin to Everyone:
so why did Khrushchev cede Crimea to Ukraine in 1954?
12:01:44 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
THANK YOU FOR THIS CLEAR COMMENT RE "ASKING FOR PEACE" with the analogy of BEES!
12:01:51 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Thank you so much for your perspective. You communicated it very well.
12:02:00 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Love the clear history and analogies. Thank You God 🙂
12:02:20 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:
Thank you so much!
12:02:50 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Extraordinary presentation! THANK YOU! So clear, comprehensive, conscious, and INSPIRING!🌹
12:08:55 From Nick Gluzdov to Host and Panelists:
Since this group is called Humanity Rising, can you share in your opinion what top 3 problems is this war solving for humanity?
12:10:04 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
Barisma had interest in biden
12:10:34 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Leo, why use the Q&A? There is no record of it kept.
12:10:54 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
Interested in corruption
12:11:13 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
And us involvement
12:11:28 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Excellent FINAL comment!
12:11:54 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
Influence in going to peace table?
12:12:36 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
US has no ECONOMIC interest in Peace
12:13:10 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Well said Marilyn!
12:13:30 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
Did ukraine consider peace brokered by China?
12:14:01 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
What can we viewers do to help the situation today? In whatever country that we live?
12:14:08 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
Did it consider peace before the Russian invasion?
12:14:38 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
The fact is that the expenditure of money to support Ukraine is very much the goal of the weapon makers.
12:15:27 From Hyacinth Oesterlin to Everyone:
Ukraine has the most fertile soil on Earth
12:17:03 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
LOVE to learn more about Ukrainian land, culture, food, farms, celebrations, etc. HALLELUJAH FOR THE SUNFLOWERS!!!🌻🌞🌻
12:17:14 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Thank you, Auke, for your awareness and understanding of your audience.
12:18:53 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.
You can join the After Chat here:
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12:19:13 From Hyacinth Oesterlin to Everyone:
All people keep memories of War
12:19:18 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
Talk about Minsk please
12:20:29 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Where is any talk about shaming the invaders… Shame for killing women and children…
12:22:26 From Hyacinth Oesterlin to Everyone:
ALL who kill women and chidren in war shouLd be shamed ---EVERYWHERE
12:22:46 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
QUESTION: What are deep Ukranian cultural roots for the value of dignity etc.? Any comparison with the Solidarity movement in Polanf?
12:23:10 From Jack Strasburg to Host and Panelists:
When discussing the coup in Ukraine you have to look at the impact of the European Union . The US was definitely involved but it was more a European Union event because they were forcing Ukrain to choose between Russia and the EU as trade partners. the EU wanted Ukrain not to trade with Russia and that was difficult to do with a person friendly with Russia as president
12:23:34 From Mychailo Wynnyckyj to Host and Panelists:
No one was forcing Ukraine to do anything. We made a choice
12:25:35 From Jack Strasburg to Host and Panelists:
And what about the US and NATO telling Zelenski that they du not want the war to end
12:25:48 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
17 MONTHS OF PURE HELL>>>trauma to be held by the world in 2023 that demands for justice…may peace prevail as rapidly as possible. What @Mychailo, do you see as a finishing to this invasion?
12:26:17 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Kat, good question.
12:26:45 From Judy Hanmer to Everyone:
I can fully understand what Mychailo is saying. I grew up in an England which was anticipating an invasion and no way would we have stopped fighting until the invaders were off our soil.
12:26:56 From Nick Gluzdov to Everyone:
what would ceding Crimea to Russia for peace mean for Ukrainian sovereignty?
12:28:51 From Paul Flansburg to Host and Panelists:
Why does president want to be in NATO?
12:28:52 From Andrew Stock to Everyone:
Small antidode My nephew works in immigration dealing with many countries. He said hands down Ukrainians are self entitled and expect way more than any other group.
12:29:02 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Corollary of responsibility is dignity and vice versa. Grateful for help, UKRAINE’s war, UKRAINIAN’s must fight the war. - MW
12:29:15 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
Do you want NATO?
12:30:08 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
NPR on Ukraine giving up nukes. ::https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion::
12:30:12 From Jack Strasburg to Host and Panelists:
NATO wants the Russian military to get more worn down by this war
12:30:50 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
NATO HAS troops
12:31:10 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Is there a sufficient fighting force for Ukraine to recover their territory?
12:31:10 From Judy Hanmer to Everyone:
Huge good luck to you and thank you for putting us in the picture with such honesty.
12:31:18 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
Conscription not discussed here yet.
12:32:06 From Hyacinth Oesterlin to Everyone:
You said yesterday that there are not two sides to a conflict. I do not agree with you. How then can there ever be a DIALOGUE to stop bloodshed, destruction, and pain? SO - no peace, only more war. it´s your call in this, I will continue to focus on a SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT for CLEAR THINKING
12:33:15 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
“We’ll fight with your weapons.”
12:33:28 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
With the shift to the right in Democracies across the world, what might this pretend for ongoing support for UKRAINE fighting for their own Democracy?
12:33:35 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
portend
12:33:38 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
The question has been raised, “Where is the peace movement in the U.S.?” My understanding is, if you want to create a peace movement in the Unites States, start up the Draft!
12:34:36 From Hyacinth Oesterlin to Everyone:
PRECISELY:
12:35:19 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Mariupol: 400,000> 20,000 Russians are entering like locusts and destroying everything. Russian Federation is an existential threat to an independent Ukraine!
12:35:43 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
Leaked document said the war will NOT end soon. Moreover, toted offensive failed. I don’t blame Switzerland for staying neutral in WWII
12:36:43 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
American deal: do not use our weapons on Russia.
12:38:25 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Crimean bridge bombed. Symbolic. Proof UKRAINE WILL NOT CONSIDER CRIMEA A RUSSIAN VACAY SPOT.
12:39:01 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
It’s hard for me to discuss here. I understand people being victimized by aggression. My responsibility is whether and how to get involved.
12:39:11 From Hyacinth Oesterlin to Everyone:
going back to Catherine the Great 1783
12:40:44 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
What is the part Turkey might play in the winding down of this war?
12:43:01 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
US history of military hegemony can not be ignored. Neither can Dwight Eisenhower speech against military industrial complex. Nor can we, in US, ignore MLK, Jr. Speaking out. Somehow, he was used to support this war yesterday. I’m baffled! Anyone else?
12:44:06 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Would you say something about the role regions forces are playing this political struggle?
12:44:45 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
Continue to ignore basic needs of US residents to feed the Ukrainian war effort?
12:45:10 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Wow, thank you Professor Wynnyckyj! Your review of history is very important for those of us who know so little about that history.
12:45:12 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Religious forces
12:46:13 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Well summarized @Auke
12:47:04 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
David Korton: "From Empire to Earth Community"
12:48:30 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
What happened 18 months ago, the Russian invasion?
12:49:14 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Wow, again, Professor.
12:49:20 From Paul Flansburg to Everyone:
Jeffrey Sachs
12:49:21 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Thank you so very much for this relevant & historical overview. Sending empathy, strength, courage, and resilience for your people.
12:49:33 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
To bring this home to you in a more personal, intimate way, consider the bully on the playground. Should he be allowed to do whatever he wants? How do you help the little guy/wronged one? These are valuable lessons for us.
12:49:34 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
You can join the After Chat here:
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12:49:38 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
THANK YOU!!!
12:49:41 From Linda to Everyone:
Mychailo - can you share your email?
12:49:54 From Mychailo Wynnyckyj to Host and Panelists:
Mychailo@ukma.edu.ua
12:50:07 From Jack Strasburg to Host and Panelists:
My comnts are not! Russian propaganda tho your
12:50:10 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Best in class!
12:50:27 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
> ::https://archive.org/details/polishrevolution0000timo:: (The Polish revolution: Solidarity by Timothy Garton Ash 1985)
> ::https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1991/10/24/solidaritys-sources/:: (Solidarity’s Sources by Lawrence Goodwyn, reply by Timothy Garton Ash
October 24, 1991 issue In response to: Poland After Solidarity from the June 13, 1991 issue)
> ::https://archive.org/details/rootsofsolidarit0000laba:: (The roots of Solidarity : a political sociology of Poland's working-class democratization
by Laba, Roman, 1991)
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