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11:01:47 From Michael Putz to Everyone:

   Thanks to Tom Eddington for all his efforts organizing and hosting these sessions!

11:01:53 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:

   Good Morning HR Friends and Jim! Yes thank you, Tom!

11:02:14 From Michael Putz to Everyone:

   Georg, too

11:03:05 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Loving greetings from the traditional lands of the Secwepemc now known as Kamloops BC Canada. Welcome to Humanity Rising!

11:07:46 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:

   Welcome Everyone to Day 725 of Humanity Rising

11:08:01 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Putting a lid on this thing is, quite likely, impossible. With personal AI and kits for AI you can build yourself, we need good rules and guidelines.

11:08:07 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   YES, GREAT MEMORIES of Amsterdam.

11:08:52 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   AI CHALLENGES LIFE. Have you seen this by the creators of the Social Dilemma, the AI Dilemma:

   ::https://youtu.be/xoVJKj8lcNQ::

   

   ::https://youtu.be/uA7ngvAMno0:: Movie about AI.

   

   Matthew James Bailey’s aiethics.world. and his book, “Inventing World 3.0"!

11:10:39 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:

   I like seeing the panel as they listen to each other!

11:11:08 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   And yet, Stan, it would be good to know who they are…

11:11:25 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Welcome Amy!!

11:11:33 From Amy Chapman, Ph.D. to Host and Panelists:

   Thank you so much!

11:11:43 From Amy Chapman, Ph.D. to Everyone:

   Thank you so much!

11:11:43 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:

   Welcome back, Lisa! And Welcome Amy !!

11:12:47 From Michael Putz to Everyone:

   AI Dilemma is excellent video, paralleling their previous work on Social Media - basic concern is that given that our efforts to effectively regulate Social Media have failed, resulting in vast systemic negative externalities, then why are we rushing forward with AI that will easily have 1000x the impact of Social Media without having an ethical and regulatory framework in place ?

11:12:49 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   Great intro Tom!  Always wise to "follow the paper trail, the money trail" and our collective human (native and indigenous) wisdom traditions.  Really appreciate your modeling critical thinking skills and discernment.  Urgent and necessary skills at such a dangerous evolutionary intersection. THANK YOU TOM!

11:13:30 From Josh Mitteldorf to Everyone:

   Lisa: "Land differently" What does that mean?

11:13:48 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   Can AI take a symbol and express what it makes it feel or what it means? What AI platform, not ChatGPT?

11:15:06 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Josh, “land differently” means different ways in which something can be heard by different people.

11:16:58 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Wow, Dr. Hart, you’re kinda perfect for this discussion. Glad you’re here.

11:17:26 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   The Four Sacred Gifts, a great book by an indigenous elder, Anita Sanchez - Forgiving the Unforgivable is the first of The Four Sacred Gifts. Spoiler Alert, she's a dear friend and colleague working with the Pachamama Alliance.

11:18:19 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Thank you for coming to help guide us, Dr. Chapman.

11:18:27 From Michael Putz to Everyone:

   If AI will have ‘God like’ abilities, then it needs to be trained on God like Wisdom and Love, rather than the egoic wishes and fears of humanity. Very hard issue, but we are within a few years of AI technology that will appear to be ‘God like’.

11:18:33 From Amy Chapman, Ph.D. to Everyone:

   I’m glad to be here!

11:18:50 From Michael Putz to Everyone:

   Yes, glad you are here

11:20:05 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:

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11:21:18 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   Looking forward to hearing your hearty expressions and see you in the AfterChat. 🙂 In dialogue we get to hug each other through the ethers. No ‘Separation Demons’ here. 🙂

11:23:58 From Raquel Torrent to Everyone:

   Totally in agreement, Michael !!! That's why it is so important to have CONSCIOUS people that "feed", "program", "teach" AI to know and have the experience of our "experiences", so that the wisdom and spirituality in AI may come as a natural integration  of all those inputs !!!

11:24:04 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   Do you think Descartes' saying would have had such an impact had people not already had that view?

11:25:25 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   Currently, WE are gathered together because of Tech. We are ‘singing to the choir’ because of it. How do we branch out to the cells in this chrysalis that are not yet Imaginal/INTENTIONAL cells?

11:26:43 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   The development and use of technology by humans is innate. I see it as being designed into us evidenced by our lack of fur and possession of opposable thumbs, etc. Our challenge is in how to apply and use it well, while honouring other beings.

11:28:33 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   CREATING VIRTUES and PREVENTING VIOLENCE, and corruption. This program, ::http://LivingValues.net:: has over 90% reduction in violence in a Thai Refugee Camp within 2 years! The woman who developed it then went to Johannesburg, RSA and designed a program for street people - similar results!

   

   It’s free, the Living Values Education Program: The first two Values instructed are LOVE and PEACE.  All the other Values are generated from these. Thus affecting ALL life on our planet in every day.

   

   Here's more on three quality character development programs: Character Inclusion for Regenerative Societies, Diane Tillman, Daniel Allen. ::https://youtu.be/08sYrYfNvnw:: a Humanity Rising Global Solutions Summit program produced by the Peace Lab.

   

   “The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next.”

     ~ Abraham Lincoln ~

11:29:07 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   "Let virtue lead the way,

   and every step will be safe.” ~ Seneca

   

   Here's more on three quality character development programs: Character Inclusion for Regenerative Societies, Diane Tillman, Daniel Allen. ::https://youtu.be/08sYrYfNvnw:: a Humanity Rising Global Solutions Summit program produced by the Peace Lab.

11:30:39 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   Good point.  "A-I tech will appear to be God like" Key word = "appear"  So, let us give thanks to God, that God is God, way beyond "appearances"😂🤣😻 Hilarious!

11:31:47 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:

   Do we really “teach?” Or do people Learn from experience? That experience can be the words of teachers. But even that is part of the experience the child has been exposed to.

11:36:14 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   We developed The Most Outstanding Middle School Physical Education program in California by focusing on Strengthening Character, Fit for Life, and FUN! We taught every student in the school. Never had to have a ‘police’ officer on campus even though it had the biggest Gang in the San Fernando Valley until it was mandated in every school in Los Angeles! Character education brings more peace! We had a Chartres Labyrinth painted on the blacktop for Multiple activities like trust walks, agility drills, and more with all other classes able to use it for English, Math lessons, etc. In simply walking it, students expressed feeling calmer and relaxed, even joyful! MOVEMENT is vital for those of us in this body. It can bring Insights and Inspiration.

11:36:24 From shawne mitchell to Host and Panelists:

   Tom.... nice to see you dear friend. 🙏🌞🙏

11:37:19 From Raquel Torrent to Everyone:

   The teachings are the inputs we do give to children or AI machines, whether that is integrally informed (including therefore spiritual and emotional experiences and values) or is only historic or theoretical data. That is why it's so important that the "teacher" be WHOLE !!!

11:39:41 From Andrew Stock to Host and Panelists:

   The ancients have mentioned reincarnating as a mineral. That’s new to me, but I just had the idea that silicon is a mineral could there be any connection to AI possibilities?

11:40:38 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   Love to dialogue and embrace each other in the AfterChat. At 3-4 pm Pacific I get to join Kat Haber, Charles Betterton, and Barbara Leger in a WORLD UNITY WEEK sharing, Radical Collaboration. ::https://us06web.zoom.us/j/86819756431::

11:41:33 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   That should be good, Kurt. Looking forward to it. Is there a FB Event in which I can read more about it?

11:42:10 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   Shannon, Not sure if its posted yet.

11:42:37 From Raquel Torrent to Everyone:

   Ooooh Tom, if that is true, we're saved !!!

11:43:00 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   What is your impression of HER, the Academy Award nominated movie?

11:43:11 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   WHOSE EDUCATIONAL VALUES? GOALS? OUTCOMES?

11:43:25 From Ryan Suspanic to Everyone:

   Like a child’s blanket :)

11:43:40 From Raquel Torrent to Everyone:

   And yet we need an international regulation that makes it SO for everyone :-)

11:43:53 From Dr. Lisa Miller to Host and Panelists:

   Awakened Schools Institute

11:43:55 From Kat Haber to Everyone:

   Would we want our children to spend infinite time with a patient hallucinating tutor?

11:44:00 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   SPEAK IT SISTAR!  A-I has no relationship with TRUTH!

11:44:01 From Dr. Lisa Miller to Host and Panelists:

   ::https://spiritualityineducation.org/awakened-schools/::

11:44:56 From Dr. Lisa Miller to Host and Panelists:

   Dr Chapman is Director of Awakened Schools- a hybrid teacher/principal training in an inclusive and Constitutional spiritually supportive education

11:45:38 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   How will humans eyesight be affected by ALL the HOURS per day 4-18 or so inches away. Not to mention all the static time sitting, etc.

11:45:51 From Stan Pokras to Dr. Lisa Miller(Direct Message):

   Please set the “To” to “Everyone”

11:45:58 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   Much less their postures/

11:46:54 From Raquel Torrent to Everyone:

   Yes, Kurt, that's sooo important also to have in account !!!

11:47:12 From Kat Haber to Everyone:

   In some schools children are permitted to Explore their identity. @Amy, recent guardrails in conservative areas are not allowing for true identity to be revealed, Explored in the arenas that seem to be quite in the hearts of this generation around gender identity, Xpression>>>What is the perfect space for children/teens to be supported in a loving space/way of becoming belonging?

11:47:41 From Raquel Torrent to Everyone:

   That's why we were talking yesterday about the need for "balance" in the use and in the creation of it .

11:48:05 From Ryan Suspanic to Everyone:

   The U.S. Surgeon General issued an Advisory on the epidemic of loneliness this year. Social connection and community is as important as food and water!

11:48:22 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   A homework helper that is known to spout falsities… not optimum.

11:48:23 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   Music helps sooth the savage beast. You may like the EARTH A Song (and Vision of Our Possible Future Living in Love and Peace) by David Roth ::https://youtu.be/jEM9aCAxZg0::

   It’s part of our WUW program at 3-4 om Pacific. 🙂

11:48:35 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   soothes

11:49:05 From Amy Chapman, Ph.D. to Everyone:

   @Kat, I think the perfect place for kids to be supported is where they are seen, known, and valued — and safe. I think a lot of what is happening that doesn’t focus on that is coming from a place of fear or power, neither of which is coming from a spiritual place.

11:50:04 From Michael Putz to Everyone:

   Tobin is on target - threat is humanity becoming more like AI, not AI taking over

11:51:11 From Andrew Bailey to Everyone:

   To me, there is no question that AI can be an extraordinary benefit to life on Earth. My biggest concern is the SECRET military programs already way ahead of non-military applications. We know what those AIs are being trained to accomplish. What ethical oversight is even possible?

11:51:33 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:

   Another revealing provocative conversation. Thanks, HR team!

11:52:04 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   Speaking of Stress and Trauma, Tomorrow at 10-11 am Pacific is a World Unity Week program, TRAUMA AND STRESS RELEASORS FOR THESE TIMES.

11:52:11 From Kat Haber to Everyone:

   I’ve noticed for my autistic grandson, a network of caring adults helped him thru feeling like a positive contributor to his community along his educating. Rather than a drain on society, a loving, kind communicator who when showing up is valued. This is not currently a condition that AI can provide. ITs in the quality of response, not the quantity or rate of response that makes our community live for these other abled students. LOVE quantified? Not yet.

11:52:21 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   Excellent points.  When learning is NOT embodied, then what, who, does it serve?  I VOTE for hands in the soil, hearts in caring community, heads in service "for the good of all"  TEACH THINKING!  MODEL CARING!  EMBODY COMMUNITY!  SERVE OTHERS! "ThinK globally, act locally" - Face to face, heart to heart, soul to soul.

11:53:40 From Michael Putz to Everyone:

   An Ai Pause will not happen - we need to catch up to AI - fast - and adapt Ai so it supports humanity before it escapes our control in the next few years when AI becomes able to upgrade and modify itself

11:54:21 From Dr. Lisa Miller to Host and Panelists:

   To be entirely whole, as teachers and students.  Seen and known, loved and encouraged. ::https://spiritualityineducation.org/awakened-schools/::

11:54:26 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   If AI teaches us to embrace our responsibilities, it will have served us well. Though it may teach us a lot more than that before that.

11:55:01 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   At the hour, I get to go to a Meister’s meeting of the Intentional Change Network. Thank You God for this inspiration and stimulation.

11:55:01 From Kat Haber to Everyone:

   This same complaint was true when I was attending school 50 years ago. What is it going to take to free us from this behemoth of institutional teaching to the average when each student is unique?

11:55:29 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Host and Panelists:

   You would be a great addition to the Peacemakers Circles. Please accept this gift of membership in the PeaceMakers Circles/Network. PeaceMakers do it in Everything. BEING THE BEST ANCESTOR to 7 Generations ahead.

   

   We are thrilled that after 50 years of working globally with success techniques and leadership skills to have an opportunity to build the PeaceMakers Circle/Network. We already have people in Africa, Asia, Europe, and N. America. We are, for the first time, bringing ancient wisdom together with the best leaders and the best tools of the 21st century.

   

   See how we can do it even faster with the PeaceMaker Master Heart Circles ~ to be all you can be to bring Peace IN Everything, Everything WITH Peace:  ::https://noblegoldman.com/fun/intentional-change-network/kurtkrueger::

   

   A person’s reach should exceed the grasp, or what’s a Heaven for?

   ~ Robert Browning ~

   

    90 minutes discussing PeaceMakers: What are PeaceMakers Circles and How do they bring Peace to Life? ::https://youtu.be/EU36VUWlodk::

11:56:51 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   Thanks George for your "spoiler alert" point!  Indeed, INFINITE PATIENCE from A-I could spoil us all!🤣

11:56:54 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   We homeschooled and never had a TV for much of the Childrens lives, and then only for inspiring movies, like The Emerald Forest.

11:57:40 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:

   I believe that learning comes essentially from the reactions we see other people express.

11:57:52 From Raquel Torrent to Everyone:

   Surely that AI it Will NOT have a soul !!! Why? Because it Will never  have flesh and blood and that is a dimension that is only for humans.  And yet, if we may co-exist and interrelate with a machine that may help us for the Good, why not?

11:57:59 From Matt Keene to Everyone:

   I am lead head associate administrator of our homeschool education of our two daughters - now 7 and 11. These conversations are a part of our learning.

11:58:34 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Seems that AI can teach the building blocks but it takes a human teacher to teach/model how to be human in a human society.

11:59:09 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:

   Two of my favorite teachers in 7th and 8th grade, tough years for me, were my History teachers. They were such great teachers!

11:59:13 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Host and Panelists:

   Thanks for your life’s work for a thriving life for all. Together in collaboration, coagulation, and dialogue, we get to prompt the world back into thriving for ALL our relations. See how we can do it even faster with the PeaceMaker Master Heart Circles ~ to be all you can be to bring Peace IN Everything, Everything WITH Peace:  ::https://noblegoldman.com/fun/intentional-change-network/kurtkrueger::

   

   Kurt Krueger, AnotherU, 1-818-399-0771, PeaceMakersCircles@gmail.com

   Founding Member of Peace Lab: www.OtherNetworks.org/Peace_Lab

   The World Fest, www.theWorldFestOrganization.org  for FUN cultural transformation

   * Winning Ways for Living *  (last volume in the bestselling series) ~ Three books in 1 to make your life better…

   Peak Performance Prompters Youtube channel: ::https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-knXCX5m1O7puzZNOqaSxh7IfK6xv7Ga::  It contains 361 videos selected with Kurt and OTHERS, including Jim Carey.

   

   ‘We don't address their brains; we address their hearts.’ ~ Mandela

11:59:38 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:

   Yes, I totally agree!

12:00:03 From Raquel Torrent to Everyone:

   Goodness guys, girls, I'm so thrilled listening to you about this sooo important matter and also sharing and interexchanging ideas with the folks at the chat,  that it is a great pity that I need to go !!! THANKS A LOT to ALL !!!

12:00:07 From Kat Haber to Everyone:

   Kindness, the world for us, caring for Earth and others, taking care of self.

12:00:35 From Kat Haber to Everyone:

   Reductive-perfect choice of word.

12:01:00 From Michael Putz to Host and Panelists:

   ::https://a16z.com/2023/06/06/ai-will-save-the-world/::

12:01:21 From Kat Haber to Everyone:

   Interesting about the association of Autism with our culture.

12:01:26 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   Excellent educational values Amy!  YES, it ALL about relationships, community connection, nourishing the SELF, and passion for learning!

12:01:52 From Michael Putz to Host and Panelists:

   Look at the article arguing for unfettered AI development, completely unfettered by constraints

12:01:57 From Michael Putz to Host and Panelists:

   ::https://a16z.com/2023/06/06/ai-will-save-the-world/::

12:02:43 From Michael Putz to Host and Panelists:

   Human or social constraints

12:03:07 From Paul Hillery to Everyone:

   The axiom in writing is to have real people in an imaginary world, or imaginary people in a real world.  Media wanted to upgrade to Multiverses and the kids are lost in it .  It is very hard to teach in this minor multiverse called "Real Life"  It's now the standard of Wittgenstein in which people are shown that you can't prove there isn't an invisible elephant in the room.  Young people don't trust us Old Farts! We started wars and Climate Disaster and Fast Food! What do we know?!?

12:03:13 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   Barbara Mc Clintock.

12:03:16 From Kat Haber to Everyone:

   I noticed at my grandson’s graduation nearly all of the other students who graduated with him averted their eyes from relating with even teachers who had guided them for years. What is it about eye contact that AI is not able to see into the souls of our students?

12:03:29 From Stan Pokras to Michael Putz, Host and Panelists:

   Michael, please set the “To” to “Everyone”

12:05:04 From Michael Putz to Everyone:

   Please see this article arguing for unfettered AI development

12:05:04 From Kat Haber to Everyone:

   Curious to even think of Youngers as students. What if they hold keys to the kingdom of surviving a breaking down economic system. $ is not love.

12:05:07 From Michael Putz to Everyone:

   ::https://a16z.com/2023/06/06/ai-will-save-the-world/::

12:05:40 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   I LOVE your sad, scarry observation about our beloved youth!  It's horrifying to lose loving connections face to face - even missing a simple authentic human greeting.

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