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11:03:10 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Everyone:

   Greetings people… to day 445  as we transform…

11:03:37 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Blessings from the traditional lands of the Arapaho… let us pause and be together.

11:06:03 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Good morning, Kelsey! Nice to see you again.

11:06:45 From Richard Buckley to Everyone:

   ::https://global.oup.com/academic/product/trans-bodies-trans-selves-9780190092726?cc=us&lang=en&::

11:06:52 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Welcome Cal and Kevin.

11:06:55 From Richard Buckley to Everyone:

   ::http://transbodies.com/second-edition/::

11:11:11 From Theresa El-Amin to Everyone:

   Lands of the Muscogee and Creek in Columbus GA USA. ::http://www.projectsarn.org::

11:12:15 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   ::https://www.glsen.org/activity/transgender-day-visibility::

11:12:37 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Celebration!!! Well deserved.

11:13:39 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Everyone:

   Welcome Theresa!

11:14:11 From Doreen Tanenbaum to Everyone:

   Thank you all for the education and the veils that are being removed. Happy Day for North Carolina woods …Cherokee country.

11:14:29 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   Salon Benders’ website: ::https://www.salonbenders.com/::

11:14:34 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Host and Panelists:

   Hi, Rick… I’m here and ready to capture the chat.

11:14:36 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   Such an amazing place!!!

11:14:59 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Super idea - we are all so body-conscious!

11:15:37 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   (It would be so FUN to play there with you!)

11:15:54 From Stanley Pokras to Richard Buckley(Direct Message):

   Thank you!

11:16:09 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   Give-A-Cut direct link: ::https://www.salonbenders.com/giveacut-application::

11:16:38 From Richard Buckley to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message):

   Idid not see you. When you raise your hand you move to the top of the participants list.

11:17:00 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Would you be considered “Two Spirit”, Kevin?

11:17:37 From Stanley Pokras to Richard Buckley(Direct Message):

   No Problem…

11:17:52 From Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Host and Panelists:

   The Education section of the Peace Lab needs your collaboration, please connect with me so that this area of bringing Peace In Everything, Everything With Peace through education bears fruit more rapidly. Thank You God  🙂

11:18:41 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

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                        ..oOo..       

            With Love...          

            Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.          

            You can join the After Chat here:       

            ::::::::https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09::::::::   

            Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451    

            Passcode: 919541       

                         ..oOo..   

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11:19:31 From Doreen Tanenbaum to Everyone:

   If we ask at libraries to order…perhaps we can get the book in communities for all that cannot afford

11:19:34 From Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Host and Panelists:

   SuccessSystemsInternaitonal@gmail.com, 1-818-399-0771. CAL - I too live and care for Tongvé land in the San Fernando Valley.

11:20:42 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Thanks, Doreen, it would be good to see this information available to all through our libraries.

11:22:05 From Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Everyone:

   Thanks for your work for a thriving life for all our relations. Together in collaboration and dialogue, we get to prompt the world back into thriving for ALL.   

   Have a magical day creating the Grandest Version of Your Greatest Vision!   

   Kurt Krueger, PHD (Playing Happily Daily), AnotherU,   

   OtherNetworks.org/Peace_Lab

   www.SuccessSystemsInternational.net

   Going Beyond Your Beyond Youtube Channel: ::https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnRMOnm-PYm40VeTxkSJxyA::    

   ‘We don't address their brains; we address their hearts.’ ~ Nelson Mandela

11:23:52 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   Mahu: Native Hawaiian third gender

11:25:54 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   Kimu Hina documentary: ::https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/documentaries/kumu-hina/::

11:26:43 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

   I’ve often noticed that some writers or speakers use the word “sex” when referring to the structure of the society. I’ve often been tempted to suggest that they intend use “gender” in their speaking or writing. What specific explanation should be offered when saying why the word “gender” is to be preferred?

11:27:11 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

   Instead…

11:34:46 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Let’s have some gender fun!! ;)

11:35:27 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Love that you share you with me /us.

11:36:04 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:

   Your transparency about your journey is so wonderful - thank you. In gratitude to each of you for sharing so we can all learn and grow. ❤️

11:39:13 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

   I’ve noticed that the opinions of grandparents-to-be put a lot of expectation into the life of the new offspring.

11:44:08 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:

   Thank you for sharing that you and your partner have to consider every or most interaction(s)… so much many of us take for granted.

11:45:14 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   The troubles of life engender strength of character.

11:47:51 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:

   Congratulations on your sobriety. Again thank you for sharing. 🙏🏻

11:49:47 From Kevin J (all pronouns) to Katherine Augustine, Host and Panelists:

   Thank you!

11:51:19 From Doreen Tanenbaum to Everyone:

   Move to Universal voting ….is the path to move through the political issues.

11:51:34 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

   Thank you, professor Kelsey. I didn’t realize that mentioning your scholarship would be important… but I should have…

11:53:22 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:

   Thank you, good point to interrupt others in gender discussions… Grateful to each of you for your courage and appreciate these sessions for my own awareness to be a better alliance.

11:54:42 From Kat Haber to Everyone:

   TED Playlist on coming out: ::https://www.ted.com/playlists/307/on_coming_out?utm_source=newsletter_daily&utm_campaign=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_content=playlist__2022-03-30playlist_button::

11:55:23 From Kathryn Alexander, MA (joined via macro.io-) to Everyone:

   Telling your stories is SO important. When people here want and experience meant, it changes and opens minds. People forget that others are human, sad, but true.

11:55:49 From Tobe Terrell to Host and Panelists:

   Would you say something about how the journey toward healthy gender identity affects a spiritual journey toward a deeper understanding of the soul?

11:56:24 From Richard Buckley to Everyone:

   The Gay Panic playbook by Putin ::https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?campaign_id=30&emc=edit_int_20220331&instance_id=57237&nl=the-interpreter&productCode=INT&regi_id=63585353&segment_id=87122&te=1&uri=nyt%3A%2F%2Fnewsletter%2Fa8ce30ce-b913-5df2-a3f8-316ae0e67ec1&user_id=7a1ebbd2e76d7d17f9408420813ad785::

11:58:27 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   *Mirroring language that a person uses to talk about themselves

11:59:53 From Kevin J (all pronouns) to Host and Panelists:

   Savior complex?

12:01:21 From AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Everyone:

   Savior complex per Will Smith’s slap

12:02:18 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   This is (as Stan Pokras says) the Age of Helpfulness — we need to listen in order to help or run the risk of being interfering.

12:02:18 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   Kaitlin Riordan regrets she could not be here today. She was an executive at Philip Morris and transitioned there and wrote a book: "Bondage of Self"

   2nd Edition  A great book.  I feel the panelist should connect with her as she has been in addiction counseling as well and she would benefit from your organization.

12:02:36 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   I  will repeat the above in the After Chat

12:02:47 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

   Listening is an important way to be helpful…

12:03:16 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

   Helpfulness brings people into focus.

12:04:12 From Marie-France Lepage to Everyone:

   I was confronted with a colleague an angered c

12:06:08 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   Great video on the history of the term “two-spirit:” ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4lBibGzUnE&t=57s::

12:06:25 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Thank you so much, Kelsey and Kevin.

12:06:40 From Kat Haber to Everyone:

   Have you interacted with any native organizations? I walked across the country with a trans and then was arrested with them in DC. Following: ::https://www.sovereign-bodies.org/::.   ::https://unya.bc.ca/programs/2-spirit-collective/::.   ::https://www.nativejustice.org/twospirit::.   ::https://www.navajonationpride.com/::.

12:09:58 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Ooo, Kat! Come to the AfterChat - I gotta hear about that!!

12:10:40 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   Would you say something about how the journey toward healthy gender identity affects a spiritual journey toward a deeper understanding of the soul?

12:10:54 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

   Kevin, thank you for noticing my question.

12:10:59 From Doreen Tanenbaum to Everyone:

   Thank you Kelsey….I have been listening and feeling this all is about ones spiritual journey for all of us

12:11:54 From Kevin J (all pronouns) to Host and Panelists:

   I will be back in 3 minutes--I have to go to the bathroom really quickly. Sorry! Too much coffee!

12:12:29 From Kathryn Alexander, MA (joined via macro.io-) to Everyone:

   YES - SUCH a crucial aspect that is often not mentioned. THAT is where we grow, IMO

12:12:39 From Doreen Tanenbaum to Everyone:

   One spirit is our inner guide through this planets journey

12:12:56 From Marie-France Lepage to Everyone:

   Oups! an angered colleague towards trans competeting professonnally against women in sports while their physical stature gives them a definitive advantage, which she felt unfair What is your opinion on this subject? I personally think that trans people show a lot of courage, as gays did, and are an example of the dignity, integrity and enrichment that this quest demands. An alternative model perhaps, but a potentially inspiring one for all. Thank you.

12:13:19 From Bruce Robertson to Everyone:

   An interesting tradition is the Sacrement of the Bridal Chamber for gender and spirituality

12:14:23 From Kathryn Alexander, MA (joined via macro.io-) to Everyone:

   The sexual part of ourselves is one that most ‘spiritual’ practices avoid, yet it’s central.

12:14:53 From Tina Michel to Everyone:

   LOVE this..."walkers between Worlds"!

12:15:31 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Made sense to me! Thanks.

12:15:44 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   Bio break for me too! Back in a moment!

12:16:39 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Help from “Outside” is inside!

12:17:22 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

   Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.          

            You can join the After Chat here:       

            ::::::::https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09::::::::   

            Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451    

            Passcode: 919541       

                         ..oOo..

12:18:43 From Kat Haber to Everyone:

   Can you recommend any native trans organizations?

12:19:14 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   Instead of “trans or a trans,” say “trans people/transgender people, a transgender person"

12:20:37 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:

   Thank you for sharing that

12:20:53 From Kevin J (all pronouns) to Host and Panelists:

   For Kat: UTOPIA is an organization focused on LGBTQ pacific islanders--they're mostly based on the West Coast. ::https://utopiawa.org/about/::

12:21:09 From Sue Baugh to Host and Panelists:

   Can you say something about how to handle bathroom spaces in a a way that protects everyone?

12:21:29 From Nishant Goyal to Everyone:

   Its really inspiring to hear about integrating identity of body and mind. It's common across genders as you said. Would you suggest resources to help in this please?

12:22:25 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Children’s sports = parents’ entertainment

12:22:27 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   Here is a good post about this controversy with some hyperlinks: ::https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=5682708635077893&set=a.102310909784388::

12:22:38 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   And not only...

12:22:46 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:

   Thanks, Kelsey, Cal and Kevin for this rich discussion. Very informative.

12:23:21 From Marie-France Lepage to Everyone:

   Thank you very much.

12:23:38 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   Lia Thomas!

12:25:03 From Kathryn Alexander, MA (joined via macro.io-) to Everyone:

   I  love the question - that’s the purpose!!!!

12:26:31 From Sue Baugh to Everyone:

   Can you say something about how to use bathroom spaces that protects everyone?

12:26:32 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Thank you so much for sharing so much with us.

12:27:16 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

   Frankly, I would appreciate broadcast sports more if the genders were not separated. Competitions might attract more interest from the public if the men and women were competing. I believe i read abut a famous tennis match.

12:27:30 From Kathryn Alexander, MA (joined via macro.io-) to Everyone:

   Kelsey you are talking about the issue of ‘submergence’ that Nora Bateson’s talks about. It is key to many of the murkiness we encounter in any change.

12:27:43 From Tina Michel to Everyone:

   THANK YOU so much Kevin, Cal and Kelsey! I've learned so much from your generous sharing. <3

12:29:53 From Richard Buckley to Everyone:

   ::http://transbodies.com/second-edition/::

12:30:12 From Richard Buckley to Everyone:

   ::https://global.oup.com/academic/product/trans-bodies-trans-selves-9780190092726?cc=us&lang=en&::

12:30:20 From Kevin J (all pronouns) to Everyone:

   Study finds no link between transgender rights law and bathroom crimes: ::https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2018/09/12/study-refutes-link-between-restroom-crime-and-transgender-access/5am4LMI1IHecGvJTW4MBqN/story.html::

12:30:45 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

   You can join the After Chat here:       

            ::::::::https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09::::::::   

            Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451    

            Passcode: 919541       

                         ..oOo..

12:31:02 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   kelseypachaconsulting.com

12:31:02 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   OH NO, Kelsey, we’ll miss you!

12:31:06 From Cal Bigari (he/him) to Host and Panelists:

   I won't be able to join today, but thank you so much for having me

12:31:13 From Cal Bigari (he/him) to Host and Panelists:

   salonbenders.info@gmail.com

12:31:21 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   Thank you all!

12:31:31 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:

   Yes in my humble opinion a bathroom designation has no bearing on if someone with bad intention wants to hide out in a bathroom…

12:31:32 From Kevin J (all pronouns) to Everyone:

   Yes, I wont be able to join either, but thank you for having us! kevin@transbodies.com

12:31:32 From Doreen Tanenbaum to Everyone:

   Yes Jim it has….

12:32:06 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   I second that, Jim!

12:32:08 From Kat Haber to Everyone:

   Thank you all for helping humanity in beautiful ways.

12:32:08 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

   Cal Bigari (he/him) to Host and Panelists (12:31 PM)

   I won't be able to join today, but thank you so much for having me

   salonbenders.info@gmail.com

12:32:10 From Sue Baugh to Everyone:

   Brilliant work!!  Thanks so much—we learned a huge amount from Kelsey and all three of you today. Thanks to Jim as well for bringing this to us. The many varieties of human beings that nature has given us!!  amazing

12:32:34 From Kathryn Alexander, MA (joined via macro.io-) to Everyone:

   Fantastic session! SO appreciated!!! Yes, Jim, exuberance!

12:32:42 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:

   Kudos Kelsey!

   Thanks Jim and HR team for bringing this conversation to the fore.

12:32:55 From Debra Kaiser to Host and Panelists:

   Thank you Kelsey, Kevin, and Cal for your beautiful presence and contributions. 🙏🏼💖💗💫

12:33:00 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:

   SO much gratitude to each of you - thank you for all of the teachings, not only to understand but how/where we can up-level our language and also, better our alliance abilities. So appreciate !!

12:33:03 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   Cal, I so agree  with your last comment!

12:33:06 From Kevin J (all pronouns) to Everyone:

   Thank you everyone!

12:33:41 From Charles Chesnavage to Everyone:

   Can we collect the links and resources and send to registered listeners? I lost the earlier chats.  Thank you.

12:33:44 From Doreen Tanenbaum to Everyone:

   It takes talks like this to open up the structure we have all been in.

12:33:48 From Sheelah James to Everyone:

   Thank you very much!

12:33:53 From Marie-France Lepage to Everyone:

   Exhaustive, human, inspiring, touching, and beautiful. Thank you again!

12:33:53 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   MOM walks all highways… magic paves the way!

12:34:00 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

   You can join the After Chat here:       

            ::::::::https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09::::::::   

            Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451    

            Passcode: 919541       

                         ..oOo.. You can join the After Chat here:       

            ::::::::https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09::::::::   

            Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451    

            Passcode: 919541       

                         ..oOo..

12:34:04 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   Thank you so much!!

12:34:32 From Richard Buckley to Everyone:

   ::http://transbodies.com/second-edition/::

12:35:07 From Charles Chesnavage to Everyone:

   what was the Hawaiian link?

12:35:09 From Kelsey Pacha (he/him) to Everyone:

   I have to pop out now, thank you!

12:35:11 From Doreen Tanenbaum to Everyone:

   Amen Jim!

12:35:11 From Shannon McArthur to Host and Panelists:

   Though you cannot join us today, Kelsey, Cal and Kevin, please come back to the AfterChat any day HR is on… I miss you already.

12:35:39 From Leila Yazigi-Jeantelot to Everyone:

   Thank you Kelsey, Kevin & Cal for sharing.  Love and Light to all

12:35:43 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:

   What I believe i’ve heard is that sex is biological while gender is social.

12:36:04 From Kathryn Alexander, MA (joined via macro.io-) to Everyone:

   Yes, Jim! We ALL need tone whole! The spiritual process IMO is how tomato this everyone’s experience, so we can be who we are.

12:36:06 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:

   Bummed to miss the after chat - have a coaching call now. Sending love

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