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From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Welcome to Day 995 of Humanity Rising
11:02:39 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Sparkling blessings and loving greetings from the traditional lands of the Secwepemc peoples now known as Kamloops, BC, Canada. Welcome to Humanity Rising!
11:03:18 From Janice Hall to Everyone:
Happy 100th Birthday to Peacekeeper President Jimmy Carter!!!
11:03:55 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Wow, really, Janice!! That’s wonderful!
11:03:59 From Mary Thorp_WV to Everyone:
The first president to reach 100.
11:04:55 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
good morning! I hope your all doing well today 💗 💓 💕
11:05:56 From Janice Hall to Host and Panelists:
Let us please acknowledge Happy 100th Birthday to Peacekeeper, Humanitarian extraordinaire President Jimmy Carter!
11:06:15 From Marilyn King to Host and Panelists:
Greetings from Chochenyo Ohlone land. And forgiveness was in order for those on the 1980 Olympic Team. President Carter called the boycott of the Moscow Games, but many of us still;; revere him as a stellar peace president. Wishing him a joy filled birthday.
11:08:04 From Rick Botelho to Host and Panelists:
Virtuous purpose prolongs longevity.
11:09:25 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
🙌🏻❤️
11:09:26 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
best zoom presentation on the planet at the moment, so happy to be here!🥰🥰🥰
11:10:16 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:
Virtuous purpose prolongs longevity. JC was one of the most under-rated president.
11:10:51 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
🙏🙏🙏
11:13:09 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Welcome to Day 995 of Humanity Rising
11:13:43 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
G’mornin’ Stan! Good to see you’re here.
11:14:33 From Dominique Mazeaud to Host and Panelists:
What is Dr. Toussaint background? Nero or psycho...
11:15:03 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
more neuro connections help!
11:17:32 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
more self reflective, diffrent mushrooms help your brain grow these connections
11:17:33 From victoria liouta to Everyone:
hello from Greece, wonderful to be here
11:18:13 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
👏🏻 Greece! Wow. Welcome, Victoria!
11:19:09 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
and thos new brain connections help you be more self reflective
11:22:58 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
missed the last 5 mins, had to step away , miss any good info?
11:23:56 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
You’ll catch up! You’re quick.
11:24:11 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
your right thanks 😊
11:24:55 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:
How do you redress individual and systemic forgiveness needed to redress the vicious cycles of intergenerational trauma between warring fundamentalist tribes such as the Israeli Palestine conflict? And what are the long term impacts of chronic PTSD on early brain development?
11:26:04 From victoria liouta to Everyone:
great point Loren, very helpful, thnx
11:28:30 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
more neuro connections the more self reflective the more forgiveness and understanding
11:29:26 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
“The happier you are, the happier the people around you will be” ~ Marco Iacoboni.
11:30:14 From maureenedwardson3@gmail.com to Everyone:
Shannon unless they are so different in their frequency that they get more resistant
11:30:27 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
yes! happiness is contagious!
11:30:54 From Rick Botelho to Host and Panelists:
How does chronic PTSD cause misfiring of neurons in way that cause brain mis-wiring that make forgiveness more difficult? How does psychedelic assisted therapies enable the rewiring of the brain?
11:31:38 From maureenedwardson3@gmail.com to Everyone:
There is a law of physics that there is a range of frequencies that always entrain up.... unless there is too much difference/dissonance then the response is push back... oil and water syndrome
11:32:24 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
and your right Maureen, some people have had so much trauma and have negative energy that the happy energy makes them run or get angry in defense
11:32:41 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:
Loren, was this an all American survey?
11:33:32 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
QUESTION; are you familiar with Check out ULF's Trauma dharma. He’s left Child Soldiers of the Congo and Rwandan genocide survivors dancing and singing for the first time since their traumas. Here’s a simple and effective stress/trauma release. ::http://www.selfhelpfortrauma.org::
What we fear doesn’t really happen 92% of the time, according to current scientific research. The other 8% we can deal with and manage.
Azim Khamisa, forgives, got out of prison, and works with the one who killed his only son. ::https://azimkhamisa.com/workshops::,

The Intersection of Trauma, Compassion and Value Economics, https:/youtu.be/_gx9ei2QrUM, Ulf Sandstrom, Chip Williams, Ann Helmke, David Pinto, Day 195 of Humanity Rising produced by the Peace Lab.
11:34:02 From anne de Lovinfosse to Host and Panelists:
How di you assess the capacity of forgiveness of those parents?
11:35:13 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
I wonder how much community stories such as those that come to us via religion affect our behavior. Why do so many religions forbid interfaith mariage ?
11:35:22 From Diane Sue to Everyone:
This is what he is talking about ::https://training.acesaware.org/aa/detail?id=2235::
11:35:37 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:
Marco, I was also referring to intergenerational traumas with ACEs inflicted by warring tribes.
11:35:37 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Day 195 with Ulf Sandstrom, as suggested by Kurt: ::https://othernetworks.org/HR!Day195::
11:35:43 From Diane Sue to Everyone:
Forgiveness as a Buffer to Intergenerational Transmission of ACEs
11:35:48 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
everything boils down to neruo wiring and mental health
11:36:16 From anne de Lovinfosse to Host and Panelists:
What were the instrument to measure forgiveness?
11:36:27 From jiyun park to Everyone:
What about systemic trauma like jail (policies like pot now legal but jailed black youth? And wrongly accused black jailed folks?
11:36:32 From jiyun park to Everyone:
Yes thanks.
11:37:39 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:
Thanks for addressing my question.
11:37:44 From Lynn Brodlie to Everyone:
It is so damaging if a child wants to forgive their abuser and either parent will not forgive, refusing to discuss it or allow the child that healing and freedom.
11:37:45 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
need rehabilitation centers for forgiveness and miserable people that are suffering with trauma, I know there are therapists but we need something more and expansive
11:38:22 From Paul Greco to Host and Panelists:
Can we forgive something that has nothing to do with us ? For instance forgiving Putin for Attacking Ukraine ?
11:38:26 From Diane Sue to Everyone:
an article on the topic ::https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10173225/::
11:39:15 From maureenedwardson3@gmail.com to Everyone:
Remember Lynn that forgiveness is an inside job For Giving to oneself to free up old experiences to be able to find the gift in what happened For us not To us
11:39:18 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
The title of Diane Sue’s article above: The Association Between Parent and Child ACEs is Buffered by Forgiveness of Others and Self-Forgiveness
11:40:22 From Stan Pokras to Tom Eddington(Direct Message):
Tom, May I have a phone number for you so I can text you? Just now I want to ask you why Eileen’s name is not included in today’s program text either on YouTube or on the Ubiverse?
11:40:37 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Take 8 minutes of your life to experience a powerful expression on LOVE by a Prison inmate. ::http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/human::
One learned from a parent and the other from the most unexpected source you’d probably ever imagine could teach True Love. View the first 8 minutes and get back to me if the last statement is incorrect.
Then check out Forgiving the Unforgivable is also the first of The Four Sacred Gifts, a great book by an indigenous elder friend, Anita Sanchez. Or see the TEDTalk: What comes after tragedy? Forgiveness
11:41:02 From Paul Greco to Everyone:
I understand forgiveness for smaller things but, what about for horrendous acts ?
11:41:26 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
With Love...
Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.
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11:42:41 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:
How does forgiveness affect gene expression related to trauma?
11:42:54 From Anna Barker to Host and Panelists:
THANKS again S😍 much for the integrated sharing of resources in the chat 💬 as we listen & learn.
In deep gratitude 🙏
Anna 🐝
annafbarker@gmail.com
11:43:17 From Lynn Brodlie to Everyone:
It is also difficult to forgive and heal from trauma if love from parents is not present either, because they can't.
11:43:36 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Paul, look at a few of my comments dealing with trauma and forgivness. These ways work
11:43:40 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Paul, imagine the burden carried by the victims of horrendous acts… imagine that burden lifted by forgiveness. Forgiveness of the big thins is THAT important.
11:44:06 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
Paul I know it's hard but we have to forgive all equally, it's all about understanding why they did the horrible things. and transcending past it all
11:44:10 From victoria liouta to Everyone:
are intergenerational issues ever going to be eliminated? isn't this the experience we carry and pass to next generations?
11:45:33 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Just look at out VIOL:ENT MOVIES!
11:45:39 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:
How do you enable children to develop the capacities of the forgiveness as part of socio-emotional learning? What can we learn from collectiveness to cultivate forgiveness?
11:46:42 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
RICK, PARENTING is awesomely effective in opening our hearts and expanding them. The book, Nurturing with Love and Wisdom, Disciplining with Peace and Respect: Mindful Parenting, by Diane Tillman. This’ll give you an idea in 2 minutes: ::https://youtu.be/A7VQHNd_MKE::
This program, ::http://LivingValues.net:: that has over 90% reduction in violence in a Refugee Camp within 2 years! The woman who developed it then went to Johannesburg, RSA, designing a program for street people - similar results!
Three Character Education programs are illuminated in this 90 minute podcast: Character Inclusion for Regenerative Societies, Diane Tillman, Daniel Allen. ::https://youtu.be/08sYrYfNvnw:: a Humanity Rising Global Solutions Summit program produced by the Peace Lab.
11:47:28 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
Rick , I would say it affects gene expression in relation to trauma by allowing healthy cell production and in turn you don't age as fast and less chance if getting cancer and etc
11:47:51 From Paul Greco to Everyone:
Do we have the right to forgive someone like Putin for attacking Ukraine ?
11:48:19 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
trauma manifests it's self in the body if not released
11:49:40 From Jack Strasburg to Everyone:
Most of us are aware that the so-called powers that be manipulate the media - which they own - for their own ends. A big part of that is divide and conquer. The ability to forgive if practiced in a wide level would apparently make it more difficult to divide us. So when you talk about the lack of funding for forgiveness I suggest that you at least entertain the possibility that this lack of funding is intentional.
11:50:09 From Paul Greco to Everyone:
Dose someone like Putin deserve to be forgiven ?
11:50:13 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
Paul , absolutely 💯 , think of it like this, everyone is connected in the quantum conscience field , so we are all doing these things to our self, so forgiving other is a way of loving yourself
11:50:16 From Elizabeth Haines to Everyone:
Let’s not forget that the teachings of Jesus are founded on forgiveness.
11:50:49 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Look at our INCARCERATION SYSTEMS, Punish not rehabilitate. 🙁 When I was teaching at Stockholm University in 1984, I gave a special program for the Swedish Prison Wardens and Priests on Using Meditation for Rehabilitation ~ It Changes People Inside so When They Go Outside, They’re Different. ˆTheir recidivism rate is about 20%, America’s is 80%. They now use more rehabilitation practices. AND/OR see, Norwegian Prisons: ::https://youtu.be/0IepJqxRCZY?si=86QQXyZ7BkLgXxxJ:: see, Norwegian Prisons using Character development/Love and Kindness for rehabilitation rather then other prision that PUNISH: ::https://youtu.be/0IepJqxRCZY?si=86QQXyZ7BkLgXxxJ::
“Come, come again, whoever you are, come! Even if you have broken your vows a 1000 times, Ours is the portal of hope, come as you are.” ~ Rumi
11:50:49 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:
How might we acculturate forgiveness and weave it into the non-collectiveness societies, such as USA? Neoliberalism marketing needs our forgiveness as long as we can mend its dystopian way.
11:51:45 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:
Kurt. —yes to redemption
11:51:49 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
MODEL NATURE….
11:52:40 From maureenedwardson3@gmail.com to Everyone:
Please forgive me but I need to go to a client session to facilitate forgiveness....
11:53:02 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
Bye Maureen! love ya!
11:53:10 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Good for you Maureen! Go for it; see you tomorrow.
11:53:15 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:
Spreading the word is good, living it is a different thing, though.
11:53:36 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
I wonder how much rules about interfaith marriage affect the way people deal with forgiveness? Do religions that restrict interfaith marriage also show less forgiv
11:53:39 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
positive emotions prolong life
11:54:10 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Interfaith forgiveness….?
11:54:10 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
QUESTION: How do we get this information to go mainstream?
11:54:46 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:
Paul — Putin, Netanyahu and Hama all first need accountability.
11:54:54 From Paul Greco to Everyone:
So, what about Justice” ? That shouldn’t figure into the societal equation ?
11:55:55 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
Kurt we need to turn these zoom meetings into public live shows one day
11:56:07 From Elizabeth Haines to Everyone:
I believe that not only authentic Christianity but other faith and wisdom traditions value and teach forgiveness
11:56:52 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Please come to the afterchat, there is a great GIFT to receive in this forgiveness and TRAUMA RELEASE.
11:57:10 From victoria liouta to Everyone:
👍
11:58:28 From MARIA PATRICIA PRADO to Everyone:
Even the word forgive has the key within ...we GIVE....compassion, love, understanding..
11:59:01 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
True forgiveness does not seek justice
11:59:11 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
in my opinion
11:59:27 From Lynn Brodlie to Everyone:
Loren, I was living in Sierra Leone when their was a coup d'etat in 1992 by rebels. The dreadful prior tension changed dramatically and love flowed between individual, even singing 'One Love' in the streets😊
11:59:43 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
we should want the best for everyone even the ones we forgive
12:00:18 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Taking care of one’s own experience is totally a Stoic experience… as Marco mentioned about Meditations
12:00:55 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:
This conversation is so important. Thank you!
12:01:05 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Marco, have you been on the Daily Stoic podcast?
12:01:07 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:
Kurt — and virtues are you familiar with the book Virtues and Character Strengths?
12:01:09 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
justice is often vengeance in disguise
12:01:33 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
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12:01:39 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Rick, Not yet
12:04:32 From victoria liouta to Everyone:
is forgiveness a transformation of oneself or an excuse to continue same habits?
12:06:29 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
yes Victoria false forgiveness of one self can be an excuse to continue certain habits but true self forgiveness is moving past and understanding why these habits exist
12:06:40 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
OtherNetworks.org now has a featured category for ‘Recommended By” that can include your name. Send your recommendations to me at stan@othernetworks.org include the URL of the things you recommend.
12:07:27 From Marco Iacoboni to Everyone:
No, never been on the Daily Stoic podcast. That’d be fun
12:08:01 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:
An AI search on the topic with genetic questions. ::https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-does-forgiveness-mitigate-LJYOkkNKTF6OUAAlzSqk_w::
12:08:02 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
lead by example but where does the lead start on the national scale
12:08:16 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Daily Stoic podcast: ::https://dailystoic.com/podcast/::
12:08:19 From Paul Greco to Everyone:
Self defense ? Just a question ?
12:08:57 From Amy Blumenshine to Everyone:
Not sure if anyone has mentioned Judith Herman’s most recent book (after Trauma and Recovery) , now with the victim/survivor’s voice: Truth and Repair: How Trauma Survivors Envision Justice (2023)
12:10:59 From Nadalee Hill to Everyone:
it's a major step on the right direction and paves the road for world peace
12:11:16 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:
Cultivate equity meta-governance to ensure ethical accountability to prevent and reduce the need for forgiveness. ::https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-might-we-equity-muses-catalyze-story-movements-rick/::
12:11:27 From Paul Hillery to Everyone:
Once day I was having laughs and drinks at the UN with the ambassador from Australia. We got into the Botany Bay prisoners sent there who colonized that desolate land. He laughed and said, “Thank God we got the prisoners and YOU got the Puritans!”
12:11:31 From Paul Greco to Everyone:
Is injustice just a perception ?
12:12:01 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:
Paul, I love that.
12:12:17 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.
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12:12:23 From Willemijn van Strien to Everyone:
this looks like the solution focussed approach. I like this! How can I train my brain? Just do this?
12:12:39 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
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12:13:36 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
When you desire peace, it becomes easier to forgive.
12:13:45 From victoria liouta to Everyone:
thank you!
12:14:11 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
PEACEMAKERS have a Salute! Whenever you say goodbye, when you leave your friends or a meeting, send more Love into the world with The Peace Salute, ::https://youtu.be/iLqxBwH9Plk?si=PCQIWALBoADIhng2::, ZOOM PEACE into the world. Young people love it! You can too. The video includes the origins of its creation. Our youth also love it.
12:14:11 From Paul Hillery to Everyone:
::https://youtu.be/w7U8d6jXhpA?si=vaFXndIIoMdwFMU1::
12:14:17 From Lynn Brodlie to Everyone:
Yes, Shannon
12:14:35 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Come to the AfterChat!!!
12:15:32 From Loren Toussaint to Host and Panelists:
touslo01@luther.edu questions/comments? please be in touch :-)
12:16:17 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
You can join the After Chat here:
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