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Humanity Rising Day 894 After Chat – Tueday April 9, 2024
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00:04:46 Stanley Pokras: This is the AfterChat for Day 894
00:05:14 Dai (David): ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQYtmB7y7Us::
00:05:41 Stanley Pokras: David’s Song…
00:05:53 Dai (David): Ontological Shock
00:06:23 Dai (David): thank you all
00:08:18 Shannon McArthur: Jim’s opening comments are transcribed here: ::https://sonlightsparklingonthewaters.weebly.com/jims-nuggets::
00:14:40 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Samantha, do you know this Mamo? of the Kogi?
00:18:33 Stanley Pokras: Edward Wilson - Samantha recommends. EO WILSON
00:18:45 Shannon McArthur: E. O Wilson — Books like Future of Life, Meaning of Human Existence…
00:21:50 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: the movie, HER is a classic…
00:22:33 Stanley Pokras: Not to be confused with the other “Wilson” - David Sloan Wilson: ::https://othernetworks.org/David_Sloan_Wilson::
00:24:09 Shannon McArthur: Today (Tuesdays) from 6-8pm Pacific at TheConversation.cc, join me in Gaia’s Zoom Room to consider our lives and how to transform human life. ::http://ourheartgardens.com::
00:26:49 Bob Hayes: ::https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consilience_(book)::
Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge is a 1998 book by the biologist E. O. Wilson, in which the author discusses methods that have been used to unite the sciences and might in the future unite them with the humanities.
00:32:07 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: About tribal > 6-8-21. Shapes that Shape Us, Lois Farfel Stark and Claudia Welss. ::https://youtu.be/0pKr6cXlSzY::, Day 265
00:38:02 Shannon McArthur: Atlas Shrugged was by Ayn Rand… wasn’t it?
00:38:37 Shannon McArthur: Yup. Published in 1957.
00:40:42 Bob Hayes: Discussion from
THE FALSE ALLURE OF GROUP SELECTION
An EDGE Original Essay
Steven Pinker [6.18.12]
" ... As E. O. Wilson explains, "In a group, selfish individuals beat altruistic individuals. But, groups of altruistic individuals beat groups of selfish individuals." They have proposed that group selection can explain the mystery of religion, because a shared belief in supernatural beings can foster group cohesion. They suggest that evolution has equipped humans to solve tragedies of the commons (also known as collective action dilemmas and public goods games), in which actions that benefit the individual may harm the community; familiar examples include overfishing, highway congestion, tax evasion, and carbon emissions. And they have drawn normative moral and political conclusions from these scientific beliefs, such as that we should recognize the wisdom behind conservative values, like religiosity, patriotism, and
00:40:46 Bob Hayes: and puritanism, and that we should valorize a communitarian loyalty and sacrifice for the good of the group over an every-man-for-himself individualism. ... "
00:43:53 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: “Ask and ye shall receive”. If not accepted, no worries, it is simply an ask. 🙂
00:44:10 Patricia Aguirre: This conversation is very inspiring and would love to stay...but here in Brasil...with lots of challenges..I have to go now. I will definiteyly like to be in touch with you Samantha...if fact with all!!!!
00:46:29 Bob Hayes: More about multi-level selection:
" ... In 1994 David Sloan Wilson and Elliott Sober argued for multi-level selection, including group selection, on the grounds that groups, like individuals, could compete. In 2010 three authors including E. O. Wilson, known for his work on social insects especially ants, again revisited the arguments for group selection.[3] They argued that group selection can occur when competition between two or more groups, some containing altruistic individuals who act cooperatively together, is more important for survival than competition between individuals within each group,[3] provoking a strong rebuttal from a large group of ethologists. ... "
00:50:57 Tricia Fortina: Morning...
In my last zoom I just left, my video went out... Not sure how to get it back on... Hmmnn
00:51:06 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: The main difference between Indian religion and Christian religions:
"The largest difference I can see between Indian religion and Christian religions is in inter-personal relationships. Indian society had a religion that taught respect for all members of society. Remember, Indians had a religion that produced a society in which there were no locks on doors, no orphanages, no need for oaths, and no hungry people. Indian religion taught that sharing one's goods with another human being was the highest form of behavior. The Indian people have tenaciously held to this tradition of sharing their goods with other people in spite of all attempts by churches, government agencies, and schools to break them of the custom.
Christianity came along and tried to substitute "giving" for sharing. There was only one catch: giving meant giving to the church, not to other people. Giving, in the modern Christian sense, is simply a method of shearing the sheep, not of tending them."
00:51:08 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: By
Vine Deloria, Jr.
From the book: "Custer Died For Your Sins"
00:51:38 Shannon McArthur: I don’t know, Tricia… time perhaps to look at the “preferences”…
00:52:58 Bob Hayes: Thanks
00:56:12 Bob Hayes: ::https://www.samanthasweetwater.com/::
00:56:37 Shannon McArthur: I sent you the email Stan…
00:57:03 Shannon McArthur: Tuesdays, from 6-8pm Pacific at TheConversation.cc, join me in Gaia’s Zoom Room to consider our lives and how to transform human life. ::http://ourheartgardens.com::
00:57:15 Bob Hayes: Thanks Shannon! 💚
00:57:27 Shannon McArthur: ::http://TheConversation.cc::
00:59:09 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Mark Anielski, The Economics of Happiness…
00:59:28 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Edmondton
01:00:19 Shannon McArthur: Kurt, I know him!!
01:03:41 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: See the first 10 minutes and you'll have to see more... for all good reasons and your family is the #1 priority.
Uprising Together's meeting with Larry Kopald July 30, 2023
Our mutual Mother’s communication for all her Relations through the Kogi dramatically support Larry Kopald’s presentation. ::https://youtu.be/Fzv79qnTL74?si=vPOdauN_6BLSbv64::.
70% of all causes of pollution are caused in individual homes! Share the book, GREEN ACTIONEERS: Family Action Guide, The Definitive Guide to “Going Green,” Saving Money, and Saving Our Planet , in English and Spanish, by Dave Finnigan
01:07:55 David Stoney: Thanks everyone, I must leave…
01:11:00 Bob Hayes: Stan - do you have Jack's ph# ?
01:16:26 Bob Hayes: jackStrasburg@we.net ph (520) 481-2302
01:17:11 Bob Hayes: ::https://othernetworks.org/Jack_Strasburg::
01:22:12 Bob Hayes: I'm headed back on the roof today.
I've been out here in Indianapolis with the eclipse as an excuse to visit old friends.
I hope to return to Philly in a few days.
Enjoy Spring folks!
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