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Humanity Rising Day 850 Chat Page – Wednesday February 7, 2024
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11:00:59 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Good morning!! So glad you’re here!! Loving greetings from the traditional lands of the Secwepemc now known as Kamloops BC Canada. Welcome to Humanity Rising!
11:01:12 From Paul Greco to Host and Panelists:
Good morning, Jim !
11:01:59 From Hank Showers to Everyone:
Good morning from Gulfport, Mississippi! Grateful to be here today
11:03:42 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Welcome to Day 850 of Humanity Rising
11:04:40 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
And yet, my friends… while, as Jim says, we must be aware, let us not get caught up in the fear… let it empower us to raise our voices. Let us find our collective voice and make our will be known. STOP! JUST STOP. Breathe and find the love in your heart. Let your compassion roll out from you like a great wave.
11:04:43 From Rev Dr Karen L Holgersen to Host and Panelists:
I have left recorded comments on the Whitehouse line. I left a message with the volunteer White House operator.I sent an email, which did not go through. I also sent a letter to President Biden yesterday. If more people did this, perhaps there would be enough outcry to make a change.
11:04:48 From Mark Babson to Everyone:
Thank you for bearing witness, for all of us
11:05:48 From MARIA PATRICIA PRADO to Everyone:
It is sooo sad to hear you JIm!!!On the 10th there will be meditations throughout the world praying for Gaza. Emerged from Wirikuta in Mexico
11:06:04 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
PLEASE set the blue “To” button to “Everyone”
11:06:29 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Thank you, Patricia!! Bless you and all who pray with you, like you, everywhere.
11:06:45 From diana Winhill to Everyone:
Thank you, Shannon - that is so true.
11:06:56 From Stan Pokras to Rev Dr Karen L Holgersen, Host and Panelists:
Shall I repeat your comment for everyone to see?
11:07:39 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:
All so horrifying. Important to bear witness to it and do whatever we can to speak out about it.
11:11:01 From Rev Dr Karen L Holgersen to Everyone:
I have left recorded comments on the Whitehouse line. I left a message with he volunteer White House operator. I sent an email, which did not go through. I also sent a letter to President Biden yesterday. If more people did this, perhaps there would be a big enough outcry to make a change.
11:12:24 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Do not feel guilty for the comfort you enjoy. It takes all kinds to make this tapestry, and it is important that we use our privilege to raise our voices. Contact your government representatives. TELL THEM TO STOP!!
11:12:33 From Bruce Robertson to Everyone:
Thank you Jim. We must look. And why is Biden making this possible?
11:12:59 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
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11:13:14 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Thank you, Rev Dr Karen, for your actions.
11:13:31 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
NO MORE SILENCE!!
11:14:02 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Yes, as the world watches on TV, bearing witness to these horrible preventable atrocities, deep breathing, and "raising our voices" are all important skills, yet still, I can hear the screaming babies. This intentional collective human cruelty, destruction, and extreme pathology amounts to death camps - horrendously depressing. WE MUST BEAR WITNESS - again and again and again. My heart and soul are bleeding torrential tears. Why would any sane compassionate people EVER TRUST A-I to wage war?💞🌍❤️
11:14:37 From Hyacinth Oesterlin to Everyone:
Many in Israel have spoken out against Government Policy for years. But alas, the Citizens do not care. I continue to pray. I wept bitter tears for the suffering during the Holocaust. I have no more tears for that horror, I now weep for the Palestinians. The Word is still PEACE and LOVE.
11:15:54 From Roberto SCIFFO to Everyone:
Thank you Jim for keeping this subject of Israel in our present consciousness. I have 2 questions regarding AI: 1) are we to expect AI wars in the future? This would be one AI invading the ability of the other AI to function, like access to info, or processing function? 2) will AI be able to change the internet information? E.g. accessing someone's post on their website or social media, and change the text to give another message?
11:16:52 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Excellent point Tom! The Frankenstein system of centralized power - relentless power. Let us all remember that IMPERIALISM = is way older than capitalism, and it is the driving force of ALL WAR!🌍🌍🌍
11:17:16 From Stan Pokras to Jim Garrison(Direct Message):
Please call Jon Ramer about this program UNITY EARTH Symposium February 9-11, 18 February 2024 ::https://unity.earth/symposium-2024/::
11:17:18 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:
Thank you, Jim, for speaking truth in this horrific situation. Please everyone in the states, consider writing the President at Whitehouse.gov, let’s inundate with our letters…. call your congresspersons, too. Share on social media. Tiktok has AOC and other congresspersons speaking out about this in sessions, that you can repost these videos. Marianne Williamson has been speaking out about this, since the beginning, asking for a ceasefire now, vote for her in the primaries if you can.
11:19:03 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
"bearing witness has been a guiding principle since 5:00 Southern Baptist days. all the playground, in the board meeting, approaching the question about whether it's possible I try t
11:19:07 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Yes Katherine, let us ALL write everyday to demand a CEASE FIRE! Raise our voices and demand! In FACT, it is our DUTY to "report crimes against humanity" 🥰❤️🌍
11:19:20 From Kala Perkins to Everyone:
Latest proposal for ceasefire : ::https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-mediators-search-final-formula-israel-hamas-ceasefire-2024-02-07/#:~:text=DOHA%2C%20Feb%207%20(Reuters),an%20end%20to%20the%20war::.
11:20:11 From Stan Pokras to Jim Garrison(Direct Message):
See the text message from Shannon.
11:20:37 From MARIA PATRICIA PRADO to Everyone:
havent been able to be everyday here...so maybe Josh Shrei has already been mentioned. I heard earlier todya a very good podcast on AI. If not mentioned yet I will share the link
11:20:54 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Please do, Patricia
11:22:44 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:
As always, it has everything to do with the level of consciousness of the people who are involved with creating and unleashing AI.
11:22:45 From MARIA PATRICIA PRADO to Everyone:
11:23:15 From MARIA PATRICIA PRADO to Everyone:
Above the podcast that touched me deeply today
11:23:45 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Thank you, we could use some deep touching about Ai. ;)
11:24:03 From Stan Pokras to Jim Garrison(Direct Message):
Jon Ramer’s phone 206-972-7356
11:24:07 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
THANK YOU for these critically important opening comments! Focusing on ethics is reassuring and urgently needed. Have we traded our deepest human values for convenience? Traded our souls for artificial essence? Most important context is this: is A-I a giant step towards TRANSHUMANISM? Now, THIS is the scariest thing of all!🌲🌍🌳
11:25:39 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:
Really great questions…
11:26:08 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
AI's comments on ethics and morality will be quite interesting.
11:27:07 From Stan Pokras to Stephen Waterman, Host and Panelists:
Good morning, Stephen!
11:27:58 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
Glory be and hallelujah!
11:28:32 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
YES! THANK YOU all for this critically important discussion and focus on ETHICS of A-I, and the power/money dynamics central to all of it - including the "extractive damage" done to the global south.
11:31:18 From MARIA PATRICIA PRADO to Everyone:
Seems that the most difficult thing is that we are far from having awareness, conscioussness to be authentically ethical. We are not ready!!! Have to go slower...and keep our connection with oneself and community
11:32:11 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
Can AI help with that?
11:32:16 From Andrew Bailey to Everyone:
My biggest concern continues to be: what are the militaries of the world developing in their top secret programs?
11:32:22 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:
So often the gains in productivity don't go to the workers.
11:32:27 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
IS “productivity” the goal??
11:33:23 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
Military? Are you kidding?
11:34:08 From diana Winhill to Everyone:
Floor is correct with "productivity" - left brain Control, once again
11:35:16 From diana Winhill to Everyone:
Exactly what the Topic of conversation is now - left brain
11:35:43 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
With Love...
Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.
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11:35:48 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
I am deeply appreciating all these important points and questions. Indeed, as our liberal arts schools vanish, we humans are abandoning the FIRST AND CENTRAL VALUE OF THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH - THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO! "DO NO HARM" We MUST reclaim this deep ethical value in ALL education, industry, and leadership, and government! DO NO HARM!
11:35:54 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
For thinking engineers: Project for engineers solved by LAUSD Physical Education Advisory Board members:
Using 3 things, a regular hammer, 1 foot long wooden ruler, 1 foot long string. Have the hammer hanging by only 1 inch of the ruler from a table.
PM me when you discover the answer, no using AI, Search Engine, use the mind/intuition.
IDGs: ::https://www.innerdevelopmentgoals.org/framework::
ONE QUESTION, GLOBAL IMPACT - ::https://idg.community/survey-info::
Shape the understanding of the transformational skills needed for a sustainable future, now.
- One-Question Survey > ::https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/SWQXX99::
::https://www.linkedin.com/in/pauladossantospapel/::
11:35:56 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
DARPA must be an interesting place to work. Top of the technology and the psychology.
11:39:12 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
DARPA = interesting? NO, DARPA is one of the most dangerous, destructive forces on the our SACRED PLANET! That is why many US military are suing them over the "clot shots" they forced upon our service members! 😎
11:40:47 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Nature doesn't pause
11:41:07 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Stand in front of a wave and say “it’s time for a pause!” Yup. Good luck with that. ;) said with love…
11:41:34 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
YES! Thank you Floor and Philip, for your important authentic soulful comments! YES! "WATER THE ROOTS, ENJOY THE FRUITS" Time for a pause, to re-examine the roots!❤️
11:42:11 From Meg Newhouse to Everyone:
I think we have to go to the roots. What does it mean to be human? How do we speed up a shift in consciousness (to a higher level)?
11:42:24 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Meg, YES!!
11:42:32 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
For better or worse, some of our most important research is done through the military. Not the way I would have planned it, but true, I think. There must be a positive in there somewhere.
11:42:49 From Bruce Robertson to Everyone:
Since Biden includes us all with our tax dollars, besides contacting him, we need to look at why he is making the Israeli genocide possible
11:42:54 From Carroy Ferguson to Everyone:
Question: As a value proposition, to what extent is “greed” primarily driving the development of AI?
11:43:24 From cathy weitznr to Everyone:
it seems like what is going on and what will happen in our world stems from the same thing . . . will morality be considered . . . feels like the same problem exists here as in the Gaza tragedy . . . In my naivete, is it possible to form or begin a new A-1
11:44:10 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:
It's important for each of us to discover the worth of human beings.
11:44:34 From Jane Norton to Everyone:
more women at the table!
11:44:48 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
YES, this organization, Humanity Rising is helping change the data set!
11:44:59 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Thank you, Philip
11:45:04 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
We can probably count on greed being part of the formula, no matter where we are on the planet. Deal with it. Why would anyone want more when they already have enough?
11:45:23 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Can we train AI as if we were parents? PARENTING is awesomely effective in opening our hearts and expanding them. You may like to read and apply for yourselves: The Happiest Baby on the Block - Harvey Karp (Summary) ::https://youtu.be/crdQy8zliZw:: AND Nurturing with Love and Wisdom, Disciplining with Peace and Respect: Mindful Parenting, by Diane Tillman. This’ll give you an idea in 2 minutes: ::https://youtu.be/A7VQHNd_MKE::
Developing and applying quality values is vitally important for all levels of society.
11:46:13 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
CREATING VIRTUES and PREVENTING VIOLENCE, and corruption. This program, ::http://LivingValues.net:: has over 90% reduction in violence in a Thai Refugee Camp within 2 years! The woman who developed it then went to Johannesburg, RSA and designed a program for street people - similar results!
It’s free, the Living Values Education Program: The first two Values instructed are LOVE and PEACE. All the other Values are generated from these. Thus affecting ALL life on our planet in every day.
Here's more on three quality character development programs: Character Inclusion for Regenerative Societies, Diane Tillman, Daniel Allen. ::https://youtu.be/08sYrYfNvnw:: a Humanity Rising Global Solutions Summit program produced by the Peace Lab.
“The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next.”
~ Abraham Lincoln ~
"Let virtue lead the way,
and every step will be safe.” ~ Seneca
11:46:14 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Stephen, trauma is the root of the reason for “greed”, I believe.
11:46:41 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
We all need healing.
11:47:15 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
UNITY EARTH Symposium February 9-11, 18 February 2024 ::https://unity.earth/symposium-2024/:: For the last two years UNITY EARTH has convened two successful online Symposiums bringing together like-minded organizations and individuals from around the world to explore “what is next” for our global network of evolutionary organizations. In 2024, we’re taking the Symposium to a next level as a collaborative event between many global partner organizations.
11:47:25 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Check out ULF's Trauma dharma. He’s left Child Soldiers of the Congo and Rwandan genocide survivors dancing and singing for the first time since their traumas. Here’s a simple and effective stress/trauma release. ::http://www.selfhelpfortrauma.org::

The Intersection of Trauma, Compassion and Value Economics, https:/youtu.be/_gx9ei2QrUM, Ulf Sandstrom, Chip Williams, Ann Helmke, David Pinto, Day 195 of Humanity Rising produced by the Peace Lab.
Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles, Stress Management:
Use this link about/from Kurt, including some gifts and other resources: ::https://linktr.ee/kurtkrueger::
11:48:40 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:
I think it’s part of humanity. Our words are powerful and I personally don’t want to say that Humanity is violent. I agree. - small amounts but in power or the ‘loudest’ can make it seem like all of humanity is violent…
11:49:05 From Meg Newhouse to Everyone:
Tom, YES!!! There are plenty of examples even now that could be added to the data set, but it really needs to go back to different “story” that is emerging (and is also very related to an ancient indigenous world view)l
11:49:18 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
"More, more, more" could be a mantra? Didn't think of that, perhaps I'll try it tonight.
11:49:22 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Stan, thank you for that link to the Symposium!! It’s going to be great!! The title is inspiring: Awakening to Humanity’s Sacred Mission… click on Schedule to see what’s planned (we’re working on getting Jim G to be part of the Harvest on the 18th). ::https://unity.earth/symposium-2024-global-broadcast/::
11:49:57 From Meg Newhouse to Everyone:
Heart needs to be dominant. Thank you Floor.
11:50:01 From Andrew Bailey to Everyone:
Can AI help humanity to develop a roadmap to the kind of radical collaboration that will enable us to reverse the current path as defined by the military-industrial-Big Pharma-Big Ag complex?
11:50:02 From Robert Hayes to Everyone:
Why do you feel so lonely?
Capitalist cultural hegemony turned a species based on cooperation and community into legions of solitary contestants.
11:50:08 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:
Human beings are not just a bunch of data sets., as Floor is saying. Where is the soul in all of this?
11:50:21 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Stephen, link yourself with love before you start asking for “more, more, more” !! ;)
11:51:16 From Janice Hall to Everyone:
Barbara Marx Hubbard always wanted to do a good news network
11:51:19 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
Good point. I was never very good at sarcasm.
11:51:34 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
I AM DEEPLY APPRECIATING THIS DISCUSSION TODAY! THANK YOU FOR YOUR AUTHENTIC, ASTUTE, REALISTIC COMMENTS! ❤️ Now that we buy mini=computers for babies, instead of nourishing their imaginations and caring - we humans are TETHERED by our "data points" rather than OUR HEARTS AND SOULS. INDEED, WE NEED A NEW STORY! NAMELY, END TRANSHUMANISM BY RECLAIMING OUR HUMANISM! PROSECUTE THE DANGEROUS PSYCHPATHIC TRANSHUMANISTS!!! (Who? Gates, Soros, Klaus, WEF members, all 3 letter agencies, etc etc etc) The new story is this: RECLAIMING OUR DIVINE HUMAN SOVEREIGNTY! ALL HANDS ON DECK TIME!🌍💞🥰
11:51:44 From Bruce Robertson to Everyone:
Since we live in a ‘democratic’ country, why are we not looking at the reason our government is implicating us in genocide ?
11:52:40 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
C Good TV gives good news — see: ::https://cgood.tv/programs/::
11:53:06 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Seeing TV, develops the child/person into what they see the most. Most people are guided by what they see and hear most. Asalamu Alaikum,
Take 8 minutes of your life to experience a powerful expression on LOVE by a Prison inmate. ::http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/human::
One learned from a parent and the other from the most unexpected source you’d probably ever imagine could teach True Love. View the first 8 minutes and get back to me if the last statement is incorrect.
11:53:12 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
Ouch, ouch.
11:54:40 From Janice Hall to Everyone:
Anyone Jeremy Rifkin's "Empathic Civilization"? He proposes that history reports mostly what doesn't work however if you ferret out what has worked, we are empathic by nature. We need an empathic revolution to remind people of their core empathic natures
11:54:48 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
that last comment was actually concerning genocide and politics.
11:54:52 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Excellent questions, comments, considerations, and facilitation. THANK YOU Phillip, Floor, and Tom! Deeply appreciated!🌈🌈🌈
11:55:38 From diana Winhill to Everyone:
Thank you, Kim. Seeing how babies / Kids are raised with so much Technology, today, Shocks me.
11:55:55 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Then check out Forgiving the Unforgivable is also the first of The Four Sacred Gifts, a great book by an indigenous elder friend, Anita Sanchez. Or see the TEDTalk: What comes after tragedy? Forgiveness
AND/OR see, Norwegian Prisons using Character development/Love and Kindness for rehabilitation rather then other prision that PUNISH: ::https://youtu.be/0IepJqxRCZY?si=86QQXyZ7BkLgXxxJ::
“Come, come again, whoever you are, come! Even if you have broken your vows a 1000 times, Ours is the portal of hope, come as you are.” ~ Rumi
11:56:12 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
I appreciate both the panel and the chatters… thank you Everyone, for being part of this conversation as you feel you fit.
11:56:31 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Stephen - the idea of “More” vs “Better” is the subject of this Story of Stuff video ::https://www.storyofstuff.org/movies/the-story-of-solutions/::
11:56:37 From Janice Hall to Everyone:
Have you addressed the carbon footprint of AI? and then there is the conundrum of AI being used to mitigate climate change while having a huge carbon footprint.....::https://piktochart.com/blog/carbon-footprint-of-chatgpt/#:~:text=An%20early%20estimate%20suggested%20that,could%20far%20exceed%20our%20estimates::.
11:56:49 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
Would you not say that kindness is basic, instinctive, and natural? can't stop it.
11:56:52 From diana Winhill to Everyone:
Norwegian prisons are fascinating, Kurt - other countries could learn so much from them
11:57:04 From Janice Hall to Everyone:
The Initial calculations assumed ChatGPT ran on just 16 GPUs, but the reality is a staggering 30,000 units, if not more. The true carbon cost could far exceed our estimates.
Training ChatGPT might use as much water as manufacturing 370 BMWs or 320 Teslas. And that’s only the beginning. Operational energy demands for data centers suggest that by 2027, ChatGPT’s electricity consumption could rival that of entire nations like Sweden, Argentina, or the Netherlands.
11:57:20 From Mark Babson to Everyone:
I’m really interested in using NVC in structures
11:57:22 From cathy weitznr to Everyone:
wow, if that could work
11:57:32 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
How do we get that NVC app?
11:57:42 From Mark Babson to Everyone:
orncc.net is our group in Oregon
11:57:48 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
janice, sources please?
11:57:55 From Clarice Hirata to Host and Panelists:
Yes Tom! Nonviolence communication prompts sounds so wonderful.
11:58:04 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
::http://orncc.net:: is Mark Babson’s group in Oregon
11:58:18 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Doing NVC app
11:58:28 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:
Yes, I too love that idea !!
11:58:35 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.
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11:58:43 From Mark Babson to Everyone:
Consensus models also seem very important-- Jeff Goebel
11:58:45 From Andrew Bailey to Everyone:
Chat GPT4 says: AI has the potential to play a significant role in fostering radical collaboration and addressing the challenges posed by the military-industrial complex, big money interests, big agriculture, and big pharma.
11:58:48 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Thanks, Stan… see you there!
11:59:23 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Andrew, sure it does, but it will take humanity to pose the question and make it happen.
12:00:00 From Andrew Bailey to Everyone:
ChatGPT4 concludes: However, the effectiveness of AI in fostering radical collaboration and combating the negative impacts of large complexes depends on how it is deployed and governed. Ethical considerations, equitable access to AI technologies, and the prevention of misuse are crucial to ensuring that AI benefits humanity as a whole. It requires concerted efforts from governments, the private sector, academia, and civil society to guide the development and use of AI towards positive ends.
12:00:03 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Begin using, ABRACADABRA: Empowering Communications, a free eBook from the PeaceMakers Circles/Network: ::https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jU0S-ye8lCCIHu5weBe-mBt4oU5qAb1xZSkNHbrrBYk/edit?usp=sharing::
12:00:33 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Buckminster Fuller: “We must give each human who is or becomes unemployed a life fellowship in research and development or just simple thinking. Man must be able to dare to think truthfully and to act accordingly without fear of losing his franchise to live. The use of mind fellowships will permit humans comprehensively to expand and acceerate scientific exploration and experimental prototype development. For every 100,000 employed in research and development, or just plain thinking, ONE will make a breakthrough that will more than pay for the other 99,999 fellowships. Thus, production will no longer be impeded by humans trying to do what machines can do better. — “Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth” page 107.
12:01:02 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Is there a Environmental friendly and PeaceMaking economic form? Yes. This solves the Equity/Equality issues for common people and our environment. Donut Economics for Quality Living for All.
How the Dutch are reshaping their post-pandemic economy - BBC REEL 6.5 minutes
::https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=Ziw-wK03TSw&feature=emb_logo::. OR the 16 minute TedX talk: ::https://youtu.be/Rhcrbcg8HBw::
Also, how about other New Economics Circular Economics to the "B" Corporations? and how they are implementing them into Amsterdam, Cali Columbia or Copenhagen, Denmark.
Please spread this video EVERYWHERE. "Reinventing the Planet" video: ::https://youtu.be/cENLnlwEF4M::
Be a DreamKeeper
Imagine a doughnut. Doughnut Economics makes humanity's aim to leave no one falling short in the hole in the middle, without overshooting the outer-ring of Earth's life-supporting systems. The challenge is to develop human wellbeing -- not profit or GDP or trade -- as the central focus of economic and social progress.
12:01:11 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:
It is possible as human beings to discover our innate divinity and the interconnectedness and sacredness of all life. As we discover this, we are motivated by wanting the best for all human beings, knowing it is ourself.
12:01:30 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Is there a Environmental friendly and PeaceMaking economic form? Yes. This solves the Equity/Equality issues for common people and our environment. Donut Economics for Quality Living for All.
How the Dutch are reshaping their post-pandemic economy - BBC REEL 6.5 minutes
::https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=Ziw-wK03TSw&feature=emb_logo::. OR the 16 minute TedX talk: ::https://youtu.be/Rhcrbcg8HBw::
Also, how about other New Economics Circular Economics to the "B" Corporations? and how they are implementing them into Amsterdam, Cali Columbia or Copenhagen, Denmark.
Please spread this video EVERYWHERE. "Reinventing the Planet" video: ::https://youtu.be/cENLnlwEF4M::
Be a DreamKeeper
Imagine a doughnut. Doughnut Economics makes humanity's aim to leave no one falling short in the hole in the middle, without overshooting the outer-ring of Earth's life-supporting systems. The challenge is to develop human wellbeing -- not profit or GDP or trade -- as the central focus of economic and social progress.
12:02:10 From Jack Strasburg to Everyone:
Sharing access is not a solution. It lets us use to do good things and that can be good but there are some who will have greater access and better technology and they can still use it to do bad things. We need to keep a close eye on how it’s being and used when it is being used for bad. Stop its use. But not sure there's much we can do about military use. If the other guys are using it then we have no choice but to use it at the highest level too
12:02:33 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Interesting point, Tom. Good news regarding reducing human error. Yet, HUMAN MAGIC is the BEST TEACHER! Jim Garrison is a wise ancestor, and needs NO A-I intervention when rocking his precious grandson!!! Our global educational focus needs to be raising magnificent, sane, kind, wise, generous human BEINGS! 🥰🌈🌍
12:03:22 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Jack, seems so. Quite a struggle to meet bad with good.
12:03:49 From Greg Jan to Everyone:
How can "Doughnut Economics" be accelerated? Not only because of the dangers of AI, but also because of climate change (let alone war and economic inequality)….
12:03:53 From Janice Hall to Everyone:
How much indigenous knowledge do you think is being incorporated into the knowledge base?
12:04:17 From Dianna Winsor to Everyone:
@Kathleen McTeigue - we need more people on this chat who can think outside of the scientific paradigm. Thank you for holding a new space for me and some others who surely must be here right now.
12:04:48 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Dianna, yes to that re Kathleen. Was thinking something similar!
12:05:13 From Dianna Winsor to Everyone:
xx/o Shannon!
12:05:31 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:
Thank you Shannon and Dianna for the acknowledgement. :-)
12:06:09 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
Who has read THE TURNING POINT by Fritzof Capra? or ISLAND by Aldous Huxley?
12:06:18 From Janice Hall to Everyone:
Speakers should look at chat -- you all have made fabulous points that should be addressed
12:06:19 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
Shannon, bingo! Is this not a function of what questions we ask? Could this be an illustration of "what we put out comes back to us?" We are the ones who are training the.... whatever it is.
12:06:25 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Change of the goal of economics is expressed here the idea of “More” vs “Better” is the subject of this Story of Stuff video ::https://www.storyofstuff.org/movies/the-story-of-solutions/::
12:06:32 From Paul Hillery to Everyone:
Watch WHO KILLED CINEMA on YouTube and see how most of the popculture mass media has been taken over by corporations, even the superheroes movies and tv, marketing a Brand, not even the actors or characters. Programming and brainwashing., streaming for people who do not go out anymore, so many choices, nothing sinks in. There is no reality.
12:06:40 From Marie-France Lepage to Everyone:
Or worse, it could also be used as censorship political or otherwise by whomever is using this as a tool. Another instance of being used for “Good” or “Bad”. Back to the biting the apple from the Garden of Eden…
12:07:06 From cathy weitznr to Everyone:
organizations are looking at the change and paradigm shift
12:07:10 From cathy weitznr to Everyone:
as the solution
12:07:12 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Excellent point Tom! OUR DISCONNECT FROM OUR SACRED MOTHER is a very recent development, And now, 100% DANGEROUS, since Bill Gates has secretly purchased 75% of WA state, AND our US farmlands! FAKE FOOD is a way to starve and control people!!! WAKE UP and smell the fake "bug food" www.Mercola.com is a trustworthy site for truth telling! And ❤️ ChildrensHealthDefense,org❤️
12:07:17 From Meg Newhouse to Everyone:
Really appreciate you all for this conversation. I am glad you are doing this work of imagining other ethics, Floor.
12:07:38 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:
So thoughtful - so appreciate today’s conversation!!
12:07:48 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Brilliant discussion and brilliant perspectives today!
12:07:49 From Greg Jan to Everyone:
Not just "The Story of Stuff" but also "Less is More" by Jason Hickel, about both "edgrowth" as well as "abundance"
12:07:59 From Greg Jan to Everyone:
degrowth
12:08:47 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
Hopefully we've developed our "crap filter," particularly over the recent years. A crucial skill that most likely should be taught in schools.
12:08:54 From Rev Dr Karen L Holgersen to Everyone:
Thank you for all of your intelligent discussion and ethical insights. Please let your voices be heard!
12:08:57 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
We need to party: We love to PLAY TOGETHER. Let’s enjoy an annual WORLD FEST!
IMAGINE!
Music, Art, Food, and Play attract ALL people to come together. How may we have peace and plenty for all? Here is a practical and fun way to start uniting humanity issues… while enjoying LIFE.
The up-coming annual World Fest is designed to create enjoyable times allowing one to focus on the “Light” forces around our world, to mingle with different peoples, to allow sociological barriers to dissipate, and to learn dynamic ways for peace and thriving for ourselves and our planet, all the while bringing copious amounts of money to quality charities each year.
Live streaming allows for the world to participate as best they can and to be inspired! Major and minor cities around the world would participate on the same September Equinox weekend.
Check out the entire vision: ::https://www.theWorldFestOrganization.org::
Connect with me if you feel inspired with the vision. We can make the Vision come ALIVE!
12:09:33 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
There is a wonderful resource we have not been discussing here on Humanity Rising. it’s called the Encyclopedia of World Problems and Human Potential ::https://othernetworks.org/Encyclopedia_of_World_Problems_and_Human_Potential::
12:10:09 From Jack Strasburg to Everyone:
great comment jim. we gotta do what we can
12:10:29 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
Stan, how do I copy this conversation?
12:12:21 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
I send an email each day with links to the program and the Chat. Post your email address here.
12:12:56 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
What is your Personal Vision Statement of Peace. It is a developing roadmap. A world scripture says: “A person without Vision shall perish.” Having it written brings it more into the physical phase for us to take action.
Here is Kurt's “Because I believe total Peace is Possible, I am called to BE Peace in a way that excites in others their vision of Peace resulting in Peace IN Everything, Everything WITH Peace.” This format is using Tamsin Wooley-Barker’s prompting in her TEEMING workshop based on her bestselling book of the same title..
OR
Create your own expression, video(s) song(s), or meme’ing, OR…
Should you choose, please respond with YOUR particular Vision of Peace. Love to experience it, and with your permission, possibly share it! :)
Here is Tamsin Wooley-Barker’s template: Because I believe _________, I am called to ________________ in a way that ________________________, so that _____________.
12:13:01 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Stephen, I’ll add you to the distribution list for the Chatpeople.
12:13:02 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Yes, civilization is a THIN VEIL! Genies, bottles, and endless mind control of transhumanism! Namely, that the 99% is powerless! For shame, for shame! WE MUST RECLAIM OUR PROFOUND SOVEREIGNTY! Starting by watering our roots to grow loving humans!
12:13:09 From Bruce Robertson to Everyone:
Our government is already using AI, and there is no hue and cry over the decision it has made for genocide.
12:13:33 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
Newbie here, obviously. Thank you.
12:13:35 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
It’s time to learn how to dance with the genie!!
12:14:19 From Andrew Bailey to Everyone:
Let’s make Wednesdays an international holiday, where all of humanity stays home, spends nothing, and makes love.
12:14:24 From cathy weitznr to Everyone:
YES
12:14:26 From diana Winhill to Everyone:
Stephen Waterman, come to the AfterChat and drop your email address, there
12:14:36 From Lili Bartes to Everyone:
i gave very unstable internet today. excellent conversation. so sorry to miss so much.
12:15:20 From Janice Hall to Everyone:
corralling the genie sadly becomes secondary to the opportune profit margins
12:15:33 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
Yet, can/will the big players make humanitarian choices BEFORE OR AFTER how many children and teen's suicides? ❤️❤️❤️
12:15:36 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Let’s talk together in the AfterChat:
::https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09::
To use the link now and join when you’re ready, click the link and set aside the Red (Leave and Join) Button until you're ready – see you there!
12:15:43 From Paul Hillery to Everyone:
I DISAGREE, DEAR Floor. You will just be docked a days pay and have to make up your work. Try it for two weeks and it might have some impact, if you can keep your job. The point of AI is to make people replaceable. Occupy Wall St. was seen as a failure, but it was not. The movement spread and multiplied.
12:15:59 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
I just added Stephen to the Chatpeople list.
12:16:21 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
capitalism is a
12:16:21 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Stephen, please do come to the AfterChat
12:16:24 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
oral
12:16:51 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:
Agree - if they can censor us on social media (in the name of parental protections (as I heard this is coming)) then they could put controls around this… to your points, does it serve them… which shouldn’t be the question but sadly is… serve the shareholders, argh!
12:16:58 From Janice Hall to Everyone:
until we change the definition of success coming from the quarterly bottom line to a longer roi world view we won't see significant change
12:16:59 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Oh, this is going to be a great AfterChat!! I disagree — and agree with so many about so much!!
12:17:11 From Greg Jan to Everyone:
capitalism is based on greed, which is one of the 7 deadly sins!
12:17:19 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
doing what's "right" is answered by "how do we make money:?
12:17:55 From cathy weitznr to Everyone:
same thing for all subjects . . . need discussion from the heart/soul/humanity vs. the pocketbook, the ego, power
12:18:39 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:
oh great analogy, Tom… yes dancing with the Genies! AH
12:18:39 From Stephen Waterman to Everyone:
As I understand it, AI will be shaped by how we use it. Not them, us. As though there was a "them and us" anyway.
12:18:42 From Janice Hall to Everyone:
I live in Florida -- probably the roundup haven of the US
12:18:51 From Carroy Ferguson to Everyone:
Question: How do “incentivize” corporations to “do the ethical and/or right thing?
12:19:48 From cathy weitznr to Everyone:
send them to a class on humanity
12:19:55 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
The dance with TRANSHUMANISM must be eradicated, for our HUMAN SURVIVAL, and thriving! Regenerative farming is one great step! ❤️🌹🌍
12:20:02 From diana Winhill to Everyone:
"Choice". Choice is in no way objective.
12:20:52 From Sharon Marvel to Everyone:
sad that we can't be incentivized with clean air, food, 💧 water
12:20:57 From cathy weitznr to Everyone:
a serious class on humanity. perhaps they could connect with their souls again
12:21:01 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:
Links’s to the issue of Glyphosate can be found here ::https://othernetworks.org/Category:Issue-Glyphosate::
12:21:20 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:
This eBook, helps in so many ways many of the issues brought up today. Hope you like it. ::https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OzwiiZCI_CdYLVKiZvSnUlUV1greo5zC6jxqF17Vb8E/edit?usp=sharing::
12:21:48 From Paul Hillery to Everyone:
But TOM, how are we going to reprogram people to get off RoundUp. How can we get Trump to back this campaign/ Both sides came together for the UAP Disclosure Act. How can we get common sense to be common.
12:21:58 From anne de Lovinfosse to Everyone:
Put Psylocybine in their mushroom soup! (out of desperation!!!)
12:22:07 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:
SOVEREIGN STATE BANKS in the US, is one grand solution for sane banking, humanitarian values and community building! Change up the dance!🥰
12:22:09 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Dr. Zach Bush talked to us on glyphosate!! It was wonderful !!!
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