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Humanity Rising Day 607 After Chat – Tueday January 10, 2023
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00:02:52 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Here’s a trigger point expressed ::https://youtu.be/r05jhBs1ICE::
00:06:22 Shannon McArthur: Welcome to the AfterChat! Thanks to Stan Pokras, we’ve been meeting here since Day 60 of Humanity Rising. He sends out an email every day with the links to the HR recording and this recording, along with the chats for both. If you’d like to receive the email, send Stan a message with your email.
00:09:28 fsedo: We work on a coherent, well thought out global plan:
• to provide worldwide free eco-sustainable education in schools & universities,
• to re-educate billions to eliminate consumerism, trash & the throwaway 'society,'
• to reduce & eliminate global trade & create local resilient eco-sustainable economies,
• to reduce the global human footprint uniformly (not just the average) to below one planet,
• to transition to an eco-sustainable economy, organic farming,
• to eliminate fossil fuels, pollution, synthetic pesticides & chemicals, gmos & plastics,
• to care for soil, air, water, food, the earth, rivers, oceans, plants & animals ...
facebook.com/groups/1840973649369465/
00:09:36 fsedo: good morning yall !
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00:10:32 fsedo: every saturday meetings free
00:10:42 fsedo: for the last 4 yrs online
00:10:54 fsedo: many other moons before that
00:11:13 Kat Haber: Jim, have you watched Timothy Snyder’s 23+ online Yale classes on Modern Ukraine? Or read On Tyranny?
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00:13:26 David Stoney: Thanks, Jim, for this presentation. I particularly appreciated your pointing out the enormous opportunity we missed with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Perhaps our last best chance for a different world…
00:13:43 Mary Thorp_WV: Jim, Dr. Barbara Leger has been working with the AfterChat people on visioning process for the HRN-HR Network
00:14:08 Leo Jacoby: All war is civil war. brother/sister vs. sister/brother. The Cain/Abel Story. In the Prodigal Son story (we are all prodigal) the Father embraces both sons. Cf. ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HapqzlVUkJM:: (1:19:10 A Painting, A Parable, and my friend, Henri Nouwen - Presented by Sue Mosteller, CSJ 2012. Can we be the Father/Mother figure to care for our common home?
00:14:33 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: The PeaceMakers CIrcles in compiling an eBook on Lights on Love and Peace. If you’d like to collaborate, please connect with me.
00:14:38 fsedo: my impression with russia, good or bad, they despise nazis
00:15:15 Mark H. UK, Chester (none-any): Hannah Arendt
00:15:17 Stanley Pokras: This is the AfterChat for Day 607
00:15:22 Mark H. UK, Chester (none-any): On Revolution
00:17:06 judith: AND BARD College — Hannah Arendt institute
00:17:19 fsedo: imo, ask revolutionaries 'did you ever put a seed on the soil' ...
00:17:45 Richard Page: Yep, it began as a Turkish missile crisis
00:18:06 Kat Haber: Truth is a many headed siren.
00:18:07 fsedo: 690 castro assassination attempts
00:18:28 fsedo: by the usa
00:19:45 Charry Stover: Well said.
00:19:50 fsedo: air, water, food, soil, earth, plants, rivers, oceans, animals ... that's where the revolution is
00:19:54 Kat Haber: Yes, context not only in geopolitical history but also in deep time-LOVE<LOVE<LOVE!
00:20:19 Sarah Sue-Belize Carol Sue Engleman-Facebook: www thepeoplesintelligenceagency.com scroll all the way down to "Embargo" these are all excellent documentaries that connect the dots!
00:21:18 Mark H. UK, Chester (none-any): Judith - what was that book?
00:21:29 Leo Jacoby: The largest context Jim provided is a planet in peril. We cannot afford the distraction and destruction of war.
00:22:27 fsedo: cuba is stolen soil
00:22:30 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Kurt gets to go to a PeaceMaker CIrcle meeting. CU tomorrow. Thanks for your efforts for all our relations. :)
00:23:43 Sarah Sue-Belize Carol Sue Engleman-Facebook: And now they give us doctors they send out around the world for a 2 year stint for a fee! How cool is that. Why don't we do that?
00:24:41 Sarah Sue-Belize Carol Sue Engleman-Facebook: Thank you
00:24:56 fsedo: mexico does not exist ... aztec, purepecha, suni, maya, hundreds ...
00:25:01 Shannon McArthur: I’d been wishing to see it on a map!! Yes, Michelle, you’re so right!
00:26:16 Mary Thorp_WV: I grew up in Coon Rapids, Iowa where Khrushchev came in 1959 to visit with Roswell Garst to learn & bring food production to Romania. There are still partnerships going after 50+ yrs.
00:26:24 Ginger Schaefer: Leon StenutzI leave my comments here as i have been trying for weeks to unsuccessfuly join the Humanity Rising "Official Chat". I will keep insisting, trusting someone at UU/HR will help solve this glitch. Sent him. 12:43 PM
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Hello Leon, Just picked you up on Humanity Rising... here's how to access AfterChat... very important you access... In Kindness
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00:26:54 Hyacinth Oesterlin: Mexico certainly exists as a country.
00:27:47 Kat Haber: The foundation of apology is that there is some one at fault. I wonder if asking forgiveness might be more freeing?
00:27:49 fsedo: mexico is stolen land
00:28:18 Kat Haber: Yes conversation connects @George.
00:28:46 Hyacinth Oesterlin: Stolen or not it IS a COUNTRY
00:29:04 Kat Haber: Yes. Bullies are difficult to deal with.
00:29:44 Leo Jacoby: We are one planet. Erase in your mind all historical and geographical lines we have drawn to preempt our common humanity and kinship. Cartoonist Walt Kelly, modified Commodore Perry's quote to, “We have met the enemy and he is us,” in a cartoon (Pogo) he created in 1970 celebrating the first Earth Day in 1970. The message being that man – from his treatment of the earth – is the planet's enemy.
00:29:59 Stanley Pokras: For anyone who doesn’t know George… here is a list of all the many episodes of Humanity Rising George has lead or participated in: ::https://othernetworks.org/George_Cappannelli_Participation_on_Humanity_Rising::
00:30:10 fsedo: not too worried about stolen land
00:30:11 Kat Haber: Peace Xploration essential. It may be nuclear now and AI tomorrow. How might humans appreciate, respect, and Hoo’pono Pono?
00:30:26 fsedo: it is
00:31:02 Kat Haber: Yes, freedom flourishes in Democracy. Also the excesses of human desires are also unleashed.
00:32:30 Charry Stover: Well said, George.
00:32:45 fsedo: salvation is air, soil, earth, food, plants, animals
00:32:49 fsedo: they make us
00:32:49 Christa: Totally agree. So many people cannot enjoy the rights associated with living in a democracy.
00:32:55 fsedo: we don't
00:32:56 Kat Haber: GC: Autocracy is repressive to human consciousness, creativity, and our dreams being realized. Important conversation about ills of world, someplace in Democracy is a potential and possibility for humanity and species. Not just a battering of US, also a coming to truth/truce about sins of all who have contributed to the state we are in.
00:34:20 fsedo: autocracy is repressing air, soil, earth, food, plants, animals & giving it to ego ... they make us ... we don't make them ...
00:34:25 Kat Haber: Mark: value of dialogue and relationship, lot of focus on country by country, some claw to top for governing, small numbers have the power, now military directing US power, sacrificing parts of Ukraine, right what is sacrificed next?
00:34:43 Ginger Schaefer: Democracy= Two wolves and a pig deciding what's for dinner. PLEASE understand America was founded as a Republic... everyone gets representation whosoever,.... If one more of America's 'Politicians" speaks of us as a democracy needs to be impeached...
00:34:58 Kat Haber: Americans invest 65% of every tax dollar in our military.
00:34:59 Charry Stover: Oh that's so funny!!
00:35:14 fsedo: america was not founded ...it was stolen ... invaded ...
00:35:31 Christa: Absolutely agree, if the aggressor gets what he wants, there is no end to this. Look at how the Second WW started
00:36:50 fsedo: russia gave 27 MILLION lives to save the west ...more than all the allies ...COMBINED ...
00:38:23 Ginger Schaefer: Texas the 9th GDP of the world's economies would be much better off restoring their Republic... not have to deal with sending money to this government not of the original US Constitution that states personal income shall not be taxed... amongst other purest of principles...
00:40:38 Mark H. UK, Chester (none-any): This is not just about military bullying, it is also about economic bullying - taking the 'surplus', or as Tim Snyder puts it, enslaving others.
00:40:50 Leo Jacoby: Leaving for Jim's Great Books lecture now, Ciao.
00:40:59 Shannon McArthur: Bye, Leo
00:41:21 fsedo: ukraine nazis/azov sent FIVE MILLION politicos, dissidents, ethnics, undesirables, gays, lesbians from several dozen concentration camps in the ukraine built by ukrainians to death camps ... TWO MILLION were sent to germany to be 'exterminated' ...
00:41:45 Kat Haber: Yes, yes, yes @George no more war!
00:41:52 Mark H. UK, Chester (none-any): ... also no place for economic bullying
00:42:23 Dominique Mazeaud: Bravo George, Dominique
00:42:55 Michelle Massi: Imperialism is not a pretty sight and no one on earth today knows more about this than the Brits. This is how it looks to me .USA is not just a bully it is now Imperialistic in its approach.
00:43:59 Kat Haber: BELONGING
00:44:58 David Stoney: Thanks, everyone, for a stimulating discussion.
00:45:14 David Stoney: Sadly I must leave..
00:45:16 fsedo: russia does not need the west economically ... that infuriates the western oligarchs .. eg, recent russia ban on western 'technology' glyphosates & gmos
00:45:21 Sarah Sue-Belize Carol Sue Engleman-Facebook: I have bananas growing in my yard
00:45:40 Kat Haber: So what is the next iteration of governance beyond democracy?
00:45:55 fsedo: We work on a coherent, well thought out global plan:
• to provide worldwide free eco-sustainable education in schools & universities,
• to re-educate billions to eliminate consumerism, trash & the throwaway 'society,'
• to reduce & eliminate global trade & create local resilient eco-sustainable economies,
• to reduce the global human footprint uniformly (not just the average) to below one planet,
• to transition to an eco-sustainable economy, organic farming,
• to eliminate fossil fuels, pollution, synthetic pesticides & chemicals, gmos & plastics,
• to care for soil, air, water, food, the earth, rivers, oceans, plants & animals ...
facebook.com/groups/1840973649369465/
00:46:15 fsedo: eco-sustainable education first in schools & universities
00:46:57 fsedo: earth makes us ... not the reverse
00:47:00 Kat Haber: If Democracy is producing polarization, back and forth governance where the majority rules and rest remain unheard, and is breaking down, what might we offer to replace it?
00:47:02 Ginger Schaefer: Community Committees of Safety aka Tribes egalitarian everyone participating watersheds in Unified Focused, Conscious/Spirit/Soul/Heat/Energies Frequencies/ Will/Essence Field Intentional Loving, Joyful Abundant kind, caring for each other, creation, earth, atmospheres, solar systems, multiverses, UNICOSMOS NOW FAITH IS ALL POSSIBLE Divine Order Perfect Harmonious Peace.... Of not us who, If not NOW when.?
00:50:24 fsedo: yes, millenia ...
00:51:31 fsedo: what ralph nader calls 'folks who put one shoe at a time in the morning like the rest of us' ....
00:52:17 Hyacinth Oesterlin: Prof. John Mearshimer. American Political Scientist .Google him and you'll find his views on the Ukraine crisis and many other toopics.
00:53:12 fsedo: there are quite a few good studies on the ukraine azov/nazis on academia.org
00:53:16 Shannon McArthur: Thank you, Hyacinth. I appreciate your perspective and your voice.
00:54:23 Kat Haber: Be well everyone!
00:54:28 fsedo: ... jan 1 is a natioval holiday in the ukraine 'celebrating' bandera, a national nazi 'hero'
00:56:58 Charry Stover: Being pulled away -- sorry. Thank you all!
00:57:23 fsedo: one of the projects going on is to locate & move to neighborhoods that do not use plastics, fossil fuels, gmos nor pesticides ...saturdays 2pm pacific online
00:58:47 Mark H. UK, Chester (none-any): I realise there is a lot to be done regarding localising, and sustainability at that level. The problems come with the invaders, the other groups that want some of what you've got - Robert Nozick's Anarchy, State and Utopia.
00:58:51 Christa: Stan,you are doing so great work
01:02:05 Mark H. UK, Chester (none-any): ... the carnage must stop, yes, but is it stopping through the sacrifice of anyone other than the US?
01:02:58 Ginger Schaefer: Check out www.tillerfoundation.org Unified Focused Conscious Inten Declaration!!!
01:03:40 Stanley Pokras: ::http://www.tillerfoundation.org::
01:04:28 Stanley Pokras: In 2015 Dr William A Tiller, professor emeritus, Stanford University, founded The Tiller Foundation to carry forward the decades of his work on Intention Science. Today the Foundation honors his remarkable legacy empowered by his overall intention to help make this world a better place for all.
01:04:59 fsedo: ....love the rooster ...
01:05:00 Shannon McArthur: Openai.com
01:05:18 Stanley Pokras: ::http://openai.com:: let’s see… thanks Sarah.
01:05:28 Anahata Pomeroy: Am in CA and need to go check up on friends, family and status quor out there. Good to be here with you all.
01:06:28 Shannon McArthur: Nice to see you Anahata!!
01:06:38 Stanley Pokras: OpenAI is an AI research and deployment company. Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. ::http://openai.com::
01:06:59 Ginger Schaefer: Hopi Prophecy …. when cobwebs cover the sky is the time for purification.... WE ARE Purposed Participating in the Principalities of the Purification Process.... Yiippeeee… Our intentions manifesting... each one being led in the Spirit!!
01:08:04 Mark H. UK, Chester (none-any): ... or is OpenAI another iteration of facebook/others, cashing in on holding the infrastructure, and influencing within that? - I really don't know
01:08:11 Ginger Schaefer: Critical thinking.... YES.. DeBono
01:08:43 fsedo: ai more oligarch propaganda imo
01:09:22 Ginger Schaefer: DeBono's Handbook for the Positive Revolution... easy peasy utilizing HUMOUR..... Thanks Stan and ALL...
01:09:39 fsedo: earth, soil, air, sunshine, water, food, plants, animals ... there's the real intelligence ...
01:09:40 Sarah Sue-Belize Carol Sue Engleman-Facebook: Me neither but it wrote a song and business plan for me in a minute that is amazing
01:10:41 fsedo: no ego ... no self interest
01:11:07 Shannon McArthur: I’ve got to go… I love you all SO much. Have fun and love each other!
01:11:49 Christa: Need to be leaving, will be in contact soon,thank you
01:12:22 Michelle Massi: Thanks Mark for that info re facebook and openAI good to know not that I do facebook ever . I so appreciate this forum and everyone here is helpful and brings much to this conversation. I am glad you are here too.
01:12:23 Ginger Schaefer: Loving you TWW~LY Shannon love and Blessings!!
01:13:14 fsedo: europe has been at war for centuries ... russia was invaded by western countries THREE times ...by grand plan ... Russia has not invaded the west ... not once ...
01:14:45 fsedo: ...yup ... it's in the language ... since birth ... a reflection of the legacy of hatred ...
01:15:03 Michelle Massi: Hate is fear and that cannot help us. since it triggers all manner of
01:15:14 Michelle Massi: terror
01:16:33 fsedo: yup ... it is a predatorial universe ... no changing that for any foreseeable future ...
01:17:12 fsedo: the art is in finding the balance ....
01:18:17 Michelle Massi: Thank you , must leave now . Thank you all. PEACE may it prevail.
01:18:18 fsedo: the majority is not buying it ... why ?
01:18:58 fsedo: 20 nations use/abuse 80% of the resources of the planet
01:19:23 fsedo: solutions won't come from those 20 ....
01:20:25 fsedo: the majority is buying the western destruction of the world ... why ?
01:21:28 fsedo: western is 10% of the planed population using 80% of the world's resources ... why so nervous ?
01:21:35 fsedo: t
01:22:40 fsedo: hasn't worked ... for the last 500 yrs ... likely longer ...
01:23:13 fsedo: cannot have liberty by censoring the oppressed
01:23:32 Ginger Schaefer: Fredo… the media controls
01:24:39 fsedo: way before ... 500 yrs ... why ?
01:25:26 fsedo: it is obvious that the 'hearts' we followed weren't
01:25:31 fsedo: imo
01:26:37 fsedo: the art is on jumping the walls ...not breaking the head against them ...
01:27:36 fsedo: make your own plan ... We work on a coherent, well thought out global plan:
• to provide worldwide free eco-sustainable education in schools & universities,
• to re-educate billions to eliminate consumerism, trash & the throwaway 'society,'
• to reduce & eliminate global trade & create local resilient eco-sustainable economies,
• to reduce the global human footprint uniformly (not just the average) to below one planet,
• to transition to an eco-sustainable economy, organic farming,
• to eliminate fossil fuels, pollution, synthetic pesticides & chemicals, gmos & plastics,
• to care for soil, air, water, food, the earth, rivers, oceans, plants & animals ...
facebook.com/groups/1840973649369465/
01:28:52 fsedo: won't do ... ubi is a blank check to continue consumerism
01:29:41 fsedo: continue industrial chem mil machinery humming ...
01:29:58 fsedo: ostrom wont' work either imo
01:30:42 fsedo: tying my mic
01:32:11 fsedo: r
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