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Humanity Rising Day 333 After Chat – Wednesday October 6, 2021
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00:09:26 Jeannie Linam: Jeannie from SF Bay Area, going to COP
00:10:03 Celia Anne Browne: Celia Anne from Fontainebleau area, France
00:10:09 Anita dygert gearheart: anita from spokane wa
00:10:32 Stanley Pokras: The AfterChat for Humanity Rising Day 333
00:12:02 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational@gmail.com
OtherNetworks.org/Peace_Lab
www.SuccessSystemsInternational.net, Caring for the Tongva, just 20 miles N. Of Los Angeles CA.
00:12:23 Stanley Pokras: Please introduce yourself here and of course include your concerns in the voice component of this session
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00:14:27 Stanley Pokras: Send me a direct message if you don’t want everyone to see it.
00:14:57 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: Just reducing meat consumption will dramatically
00:15:21 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: Live simply so other can live
00:16:20 Stanley Pokras: Here is a wonderful TED Talk: Why I live a zero waste life :::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF72px2R3Hg::
00:16:56 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: On this Special Day, we would LOVE YOUR PARTICIPATION on this quest…The VISION/slogan for the Peace LAB is “Peace In Everything, Everything With Peace.”
When you have any ideas that could bring peace in any manner, anywhere, anytime, please apply it and then share it ~ with us too… Peace LAB: ::https://OtherNetworks.org/peace_lab::
When we take some responsibility for being the Peace where we are, we are then models for others to follow ~ the ripples begin with us!
Here’s an 15 minute video on a psycho-somatic-spiritual PeaceMaker Meditation. ::https://youtu.be/vv1VxDv80wo:: Peace In Everything, Everything With Peace. will reverberate throughout your day… making it the focus and bringing more peace to you and ‘others.’
00:16:58 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: Groups are forming together or through teleconference to bring more Peace to our home planet.
Together we fly more easily ~ like the two wings of a bird… :) The Peace LAB practices/programs dramatically reduces violence, recidivism, and wars… We get what we focus upon. Let's share our ideas and expertise.
00:19:17 Leo Jacoby: LINKS From Rupert Read to Everyone:
- https://youtu.be/1AM5wDhtQSM:: Act Now - watch my speech, after this
00:19:26 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: Stanley Pokras to Everyone (9:23 AM)
Here is a wonderful TED Talk: Why I live a zero waste life :::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF72px2R3Hg::
00:20:11 Savanah: I agree that over population is a major issue in this problem and Code Red by its reality is about extinguishing much of the human population. Over population may well be a mute point.
00:20:18 Judy H: But all these things we can do are not ENOUGH. How can we make our governments wake up to the danger? The occupation of the M25 in England is just irritating people.
00:23:15 Fred van Heukelom: Stan, I do get your chats daily. Thank you!. could you put the name of that encoplidea you talk about in the chat.!
00:24:48 Rob Wheeler: The problem is less waking up our governments and more convincing them that it is of such importance that they are willing to ignore the pressures of vested interests and corporate influence of destructive businesses etc. But then the CEOs of tobacco companies continued to deny it was addictive and cancer forming even while their colleagues were dying from smoking.
00:26:48 Anita dygert gearheart: i have written to the Pope suggesting it is time for the catholic faith to embrace birth control.
00:28:33 Stanley Pokras: The Encyclopedia of World Problems can be discovered by searching OtherNetworks. Its direct iink is ::http://encyclopedia.uia.org/en::
00:30:08 Dawn Mazzone: I have been following this case since Marianne Williamson alerted people to it.
I think it is not making mainstream news.
It is jarring and outrageous, though I stay calm. First there must be awareness in order for things to change.
I’d be curious to know what perspective you have on this:
It can have a chilling effect on Environmentalists. Each of the links below tell the story in progression:
The Largest Environmental Disaster You’ve Never Heard Of - YouTube
Episode 2: The Largest Environmental Disaster You've Never Heard Of with Steven Donziger (themariannewilliamsonpodcast.com)
CHEVRON V. DONZIGER: An update - by Marianne Williamson - TRANSFORM with Marianne Williamson (substack.com)
Travesty of Justice - by Marianne Williamson - TRANSFORM with Marianne Williamson (substack.com)
Just to watch the first podcast and see the last article, the Travesty of Justice will give you a good overview.
00:32:05 Joan Halgren: Joan Halgren, Sorry I came on late from Red WIng, MN.
00:32:27 Anita dygert gearheart: I am interested in talking with others about what societal vehicles we might use to create a grassroots movement to educate many about the crisis and move to action. my email is adygertgearheart@hotmail.com if you are interested
00:33:01 Dawn Mazzone: Coming together since The Earth Charter... Like the idea of Global Regeneration PODS
00:34:23 Stanley Pokras: Why I live a zero waste life | Lauren Singer | TEDxTeen
00:38:10 Rob Wheeler: Thanks Joan
00:38:19 Leo Jacoby: Re. Dealing with our Grief I recommend: This Sacred Earth Introduction by ROGER S.GOTTLIEB (1st edition, 1995) - written 26 years ago!
EXCERPT:
"On the first day of my environmental philosophy course I tell students of my own fear, grief, and anger about the ecological crisis. I then ask them to speak in turn about what
they feel. They respond hesitantly, emboldened by my example but still unsure that a university classroom is the proper place for emotions. As the hour progresses, however,
their statements become increasingly more revealing.
“I’m terribly angry,” one will say, “because the field where I used to hunt for grasshoppers was turned into a parking lot for a mall; and they hardly even use it. What a waste.”
“I’m scared,” a young woman admits. “Every time I go out in the sun in the summer I think about skin cancer. My aunt died from it.”
00:38:49 Leo Jacoby: Several young men tell me they don’t see much use in thinking about all these problems. I ask one: “What would happen if you did think about it?” “I don’t know,” he
replies, “I’m not sure I could go on with what I’m supposed to do in this life. If I started to cry, I might never stop.”
It helps to begin not with a long list of environmental problems, but with the acknowledgment that our anguish over the fate of the earth is a real element in our everyday emotional lives. Bury these emotions as we may, they surface whenever we hear of another oil spill, another summer day in the city with “unhealthy air,” another childhood forest or meadow turned into a parking lot. Before we can take in or effectively act in response to the environmental crisis we must admit just how deeply we feel for the earth. This admission helps us
00:39:01 Leo Jacoby: emerge from hidden despair, psychic numbing and the frantic attempts to fill our time with a “busyness” which distracts us from the problem. The alternative is to continue to mask the truth—or to pretend we feel nothing about it. This strategy takes a significant psychic toll. If we deny what we feel when we read of a species made extinct, or a leaking toxic dump, we may start to deaden ourselves, and come to suffer what Kierkegaard called “a disorder of feelings, the disorder consisting in not having any.”
(download 700pp 2nd edition 2003 at: ::http://library.mibckerala.org/lms_frame/eBook/Applied%20Ethics/Environmental%20Ethics%20and%20Eco-Theology/Gottlieb%20-%20This%20Sacred%20Earth%20(Routledge).pdf)::
00:43:32 Rob Wheeler: I have been up and working for 6 or 8 hours now and have not had breakfast yet. Thank you everyone for giving me the opportunity to share some of the things I have learning. Time for me to go now; and thanks everyone for your work and commitments.
00:44:21 Shannon McArthur: Thanks, Rob for coming!
00:45:10 Rob Wheeler: Glad to be here again, RobWheeler22@gmail.com
00:45:22 Leo Jacoby: I thought of the Gottlieb excerpt when Vivian Fulk commented in HR (worth repeating here):
"We must face the abyss, grieve, do something about it, let your heart break wide open, step into your courage and you then are in Purpose (teal consciousness according to Spiral Dynamics). The transition of humanity will happen because we will face a collective trauma. There is something about the ecological crisis where we can ignore it, but it will not ignore us. It is going to get us all eventually. It is baked into the science. Our children will go through it. Like with an addict, we are a deeply addicted and traumatized society. We have hit rock bottom. We are literally in the sixth mass extinction. Life on earth being killed off by us. We face that and then humanity does a step change to the next level in spiral dynamics to our purpose. We are witnessing this now. It is exciting but tense because we have not got any time. ...Climate grief is real. Give yourself NATURE to get through to Acceptance."
00:45:25 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: C this: ::https://youtu.be/jfqtOTwUcKE::
00:46:01 Fred van Heukelom: This is a message for Stan. I’m trying to design a new educational system that is founded in non-dual consciousness and based on the feedbag-feed forward responsive capacity. It is all on expressing the unique talents that people carry and learn to create a educational system that has ‘eyes’ for the archetypal capacities children sow, to. experiential learning. I would lie to connect and send you some of the basic ideas where the design is based upon.You asked people to look at your own ‘program’ and people to give feedback on it.
00:46:54 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: Family is coming in now to celebrate Keith, our eldest 28 years… 🙂 CU tomorrow. Keep coming back, we work when we work it. 🙂
00:47:21 Nan Woodman: I need to leave, thank you, beautiful people…
00:47:29 Shannon McArthur: Kurt, ty for coming and sharing your wisdom!
00:48:34 Fred van Heukelom: Stan: I like then to create my own page/url in Humanity Rising website. You could answer and send your url in humanity rising.my email address is pentadux@gmail.com
00:50:09 Stanley Pokras: Fred, you can write or call me stan@othernetworks.org 267-968-0407
00:50:31 Fred van Heukelom: Okay, thank you Stan.
00:51:22 Fred van Heukelom: I’ve another Zoom call at 7. See you next time
00:51:57 Kevin He/him Canada: Neighborocracy is a working system that is operating in India, whereby YOUTH are included within neighbourhood governance. I feel as though a transitional governance model should be inclusive of this systems theory; blended with pre-colonial democratic processes, like Indigenous consensus AND greek era citizens assembly
00:59:52 Leo Jacoby: You can find a dozen books by Rupert Read, plus articles and reviews for free download at:
01:02:31 Dawn Mazzone: ::https://www.facebook.com/groups/deepadaptation/events::
01:02:52 Stanley Pokras: Richard Heinberg
01:03:06 Leo Jacoby: You can find a dozen books by Rupert Read, plus articles and reviews for free download at:
01:03:11 Kevin He/him Canada: Kevinguyan@gmail.com I do have a pdf available that is a book, in draft form of the Neighborocracy system.
If anyone would like a copy please email
01:03:24 Leo Jacoby: Richard William Heinberg is an American journalist and educator who has written extensively on energy, economic, and ecological issues, including oil depletion. He is the author of 13 books, and presently serves as the senior fellow at the Post Carbon Institute. Wikipedia
01:03:50 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.postcarbon.org/our-people/richard-heinberg/::
01:03:58 Shannon McArthur: Kevin, thank you!
01:04:02 Stanley Pokras: Thank you leo
01:04:09 Leo Jacoby: ::https://richardheinberg.com/::
01:04:30 Kevin He/him Canada: Neighborocracy also has its own page on FB.
01:04:33 Leo Jacoby: ::https://centerforneweconomics.org/people/richard-heinberg/::
01:05:25 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AspX-mSIb4:: Richard Heinberg | What Could Possibly Go Right?
01:07:20 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6omhhQWn-Q:: Matt Stinchcomb moderated a discussion between Richard Heinberg and Helena Norberg-Hodge as part of the Schumacher Conversations series. 1:21:56
01:09:31 Kevin He/him Canada: Kevinguyan@gmail.com
01:10:07 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.postcarbon.org/publications/power-limits-and-prospects-for-human-survival/::
01:11:26 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/02/do-we-humans-have-too-much-power::
01:13:31 Kevin He/him Canada: Shannon, IN the context of growing resilience, I am close friends with a high density growing organization, called “Montel shelving”; you might like the look of this idea.
01:13:44 Joan Halgren: Great meeting all of you! We'll catch up somehow. Must dash off to my next task in the universe!
01:15:14 Leo Jacoby: ::https://richardheinberg.com/museletter-337-understanding-power::
01:19:43 Shannon McArthur: Such a lovely conversation today! Thank you so much for being part of it! See you tomorrow! Or soon…
01:21:22 Kevin He/him Canada: My gratitude to all of you , i hope to be included in the next set of chats. Please consider my email, when planning the next meeting.
I unfortunately must leave for other commitments.
01:21:37 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.futurehumans.world/::
01:21:58 Leo Jacoby: “The Future Humans Trilogy by Anneloes Smitsman, Ph.D, and Jean Houston, Ph.D, provides a brilliantly creative and hope-filled framework for understanding and ...
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