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11:11:37 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Everyone:
People everywhere shall come together to protect our ability to be self-suffient and se;f governing. Here we discuss the future of democracy on this 394th episode of Humanity Rising.
11:12:47 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Host and Panelists:
Rick, the YouTube stream has stopped.
11:13:15 From Karmen to Everyone:
The most important base of democracy is a free press. The state of the press in the US is very well described in a recent talk Marianne Wili
11:14:46 From Karmen to Everyone:
Williamson had with an independent journalist Jordan Charrito.
11:15:05 From Jack Lenchiner to Host and Panelists:
Louder please
11:15:42 From Jack Lenchiner to Host and Panelists:
Heard ti hear George
11:16:11 From Stanley Pokras to Host and Panelists:
The Facebook stream is only showing Georg
11:16:52 From Stanley Pokras to Host and Panelists:
Thank you, for upgrading me.
11:17:30 From Stanley Pokras to Host and Panelists:
YouTube is now streaming.
11:17:31 From Richard Buckley to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message):
Some technical problems this morning. Thank you for the feedback.
11:19:51 From AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Everyone:
Re: Karmen’s comment: US citizens call-in to Attorney General Merrick Garland to drop all charges against and free Julian Assange. Dial 1-202-514-2000 and press 4 for the Department of Justice comment line.
11:20:22 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
Democracy is obviously not all that important to most Americans. They continue to vote for and put in power the anti-democratic Party; they are not out in the streets protesting and screaming for retention of a democratic Repubic.
11:22:22 From Karmen to Everyone:
Amy, thank you! Will do that.
11:24:15 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:
Truth spoken! Thank you, George!
11:26:58 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
The Powell memo can be read in full on Greenpeace's website: ::https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/democracy/the-lewis-powell-memo-a-corporate-blueprint-to-dominate-democracy/::
11:27:26 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
and developing think tanks to influence public opinion
11:29:44 From Kevin He/him Canada to Host and Panelists:
The common denominator of every fallen empire is greed, why can’t we see it as the end of mankind
11:32:20 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
"free speech" has been corporatized. Most people don't even pay attention to objective, independent, alternative media
11:32:27 From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Everyone:
Here’s an example of a Senator “being asleep.” After the U.S. Senate’s vote threatening the essence of democracy, a reporter asked Mitch McConnell “What’s your message for voters of color who are concerned that…they’re not going to be able to vote during the midterms,” McConnell’s “unconscious racist mind” spoke saying the “concern is misplaced because..African American voters are voting at just as high percentage as Americans,” the “unconscious racist mind” implying that African Americans are not Americans
11:33:35 From AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Everyone:
Yep— “unconscious racist mind” shows up and underlies so much in the US
11:34:05 From Elizabeth Hubbard to Host and Panelists:
Why do we want to “save our way of life.” American way of life is destroying us.
11:34:19 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:
Wow - yes that is a powerful reminder!
11:35:05 From Crystal to Host and Panelists:
Is counting slaves as less than a person in pur founding documents one of the seeds planted to undermine democracy? How can anyone take a democracy seriously that does not count all humans as whole? Not to mention all sentient beings?
11:35:32 From Elizabeth Hubbard to Host and Panelists:
Democracy has failed. Political scientists call the form of power we are in is an anocracy.
11:36:06 From Tom Howlett to Everyone:
I thought the 5th Estate was the Corporate State!
11:36:35 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
PLEASE: for everyone to see your remarks, set the Chat tool to "Everyone"
11:37:18 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
Just as the USA was the impetus of the birth of democracy and its spread throughout the world, democracy's demise in the US could lead to its strengthening worldwide.
11:37:21 From Jane Norton to Everyone:
@ Cuf, I was taken aback when I read McConnell's comment!
11:39:25 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
the PEOPLE in the USA abdicated their power to the corporations and wealthy class
11:39:37 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
General strike
11:39:51 From Tom Howlett to Everyone:
He who knows the influence of corporations best is Ralph Nader. He's on every Saturday with his "Ralph Nader Radio Hur".
11:40:17 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
Move to Amend (MTA)
Greg Coleridge, former director of AFSC's economic and political justice work in Northeast Ohio, explains why we need to push for a constitutional amendment which states clearly that corporations aren't people and money isn't speech.
We The People Amendment - End Corporate Personhood
11:41:05 From Raj Patel to Everyone:
The superior man seeks what is right; the inferior one, what is profitable. ~ Confucius
11:43:44 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
great pull together, Jim. those 2 things happening at the same time frame started the trajectory to where we are today
11:43:54 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
Within Indigenous led narratives there is a prophecy that speaks clearly to a unification of the Americas, through the Eagle and Condor.
Given George’s mention of other cultures, does he have any comments regarding the Eagle and Condor; or other prophecy he’s heard?
11:44:05 From Tina Michel to Everyone:
@Stan, that's why I like Jim's idea of defining "money" as the 6th Estate. That way, the "personhood" of corp.'s and money would be divided more clearly
11:45:10 From Tom Howlett to Everyone:
I think it would be important to see racism within the paradigm of patriarchy, that of domination.
11:45:52 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
Colonial mindedness is woven within the globalized supplychain, thats 100% reliant on labour thats modern day slavery
11:46:57 From Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Host and Panelists:
Namasté, To prevent the next Fall of OUR Civilization, we get to ReThink Humanity: ::https://youtu.be/r71yNnfY6ss::
After seeing this, do you think we could spread this around? Wake people up a little? We have the wisdom to apply now.
LOVE and Helpfulness work wonders... When we “work it”… AND We Are worth It.
We are here to serve ~ Lot’s of Love.
Kurt AnotherU, See diverse ideas for approaching this issue HOLISTICALLY… 🙂 www.OtherNetworks.org/Peace_Lab.
11:48:08 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
The 2000 year story of a male dominant creation story has had its time, its now time to look towards the Matriarchal leadership concepts found in every commonwealth
11:48:59 From Kathryn Alexander, MA (joined via macro.io-) to Everyone:
Democracy and the ego - there’s a book.
11:49:19 From Elizabeth Hubbard to Everyone:
Let’s face it. We don’t live in a democracy. It’s a plutocracy.
11:49:53 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
Pre-contact democratic processes, such as the Haudenosaunee confederacy, which was stolen by pilgrims and bastardized into the US constitution.
11:49:57 From Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Host and Panelists:
Come to the AfterChat and discuss Actions… 🙂 Stanley Pokras can illuminate the Financial issues. The Book, How Wealth Rules the World!
11:50:23 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
For a long list of books about the American Empire see: ::https://u1lib.org/s/American%20Empire::
11:51:03 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
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With Love...
Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.
You can join the After Chat here:
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Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451
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11:51:31 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
THIS SATURDAY starts a Democracy Circle Book Club on Timothy Snyder's "On Tyranny" 2017.
Jan. 22-March 26, 2-4pm PST.
Details and RSVP at: ::http://bit.ly/RSVP-OnTyranny::
Invite friends. Everyone and all points of view are welcome.
Everyone will be heard using a dialogue method.
(::https://www.empathycircle.com/::)
Download EPUB ebook at: ::https://z-lib.org/::
::https://book4you.org/book/5639973/896549::
Current threats to democracy...
* Here is a way to get involved.
* Learn and discuss the issues.
* Make connections with others.
* Take a step toward taking shared action.
Also find event at: ::https://citizenconnect.us/::
LinkedIn Event: ::https://j.mp/3oVmyER::
Facebook Event: ::https://j.mp/3IQcfKc::
11:51:44 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
After colonizing LAND, postwar colonial mindedness colonized the labour of women and children, while closing local manufacturing.
11:53:28 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
Is major change possible through a general strike? Or how can change really be made in time, otherwise?
11:53:29 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
USA is just another dying Empire
11:53:38 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:
If "We the People" no longer have a voice in the government, how do we have power to change society?
11:53:47 From Wilford Welch to Host and Panelists:
Thank you Jim and George. An extraordinarily important discussion. Wilford Welch
11:54:27 From Elizabeth Hubbard to Everyone:
Cyrocurrencies?
11:54:45 From Elizabeth Hubbard to Everyone:
Open Metaverse?
11:55:18 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
In order for Americans to have a voice. they have to actually USE their voice
11:55:49 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
Internationally coordinated general strikes, byway of connecting a world of allies, like Extinction Rebellion
11:56:12 From AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Everyone:
Yes, we need a global general strike
11:56:24 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
Fridays for future…..greenpeace, etc
11:57:10 From Crystal to Host and Panelists:
Power of One is a great book about south African Apartheid by Bryce Courteney
11:57:42 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
The only difference between an international quarantine and a Global #GeneralStrike is……………the permission
11:58:37 From Kathryn Alexander, MA (joined via macro.io-) to Everyone:
Personal responsibility is at the heart of ALL of the issues we are facing. The climate is saying that loud and clear!!
11:59:25 From Elizabeth Hubbard to Everyone:
The Climate crisis can’t be fixed under a national program. It MUST be a global program.
11:59:28 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
Read the GREAT LAW OF PEACE, not the US constitution
11:59:51 From Suzanne Taylor to Everyone:
How we do it is what we should be concentrating on. We’re much better at railing against the injustices than coming up with ideas for what to do about it. My leading question to thought shapers is, “If you ran the world, what would you do?”
11:59:56 From Kathryn Alexander, MA (joined via macro.io-) to Everyone:
Kevin, do you have a source for that?
12:00:36 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
Please HELP organize the wonderful material, people and organizations that have been on this wonderful Humanity Rising platform. Please HELP make a page for each and every Humanity Rising presenter and their organizations. Contact me to discuss what you can do, even with a limited amount of time.
12:01:18 From Jane M to Everyone:
Mind serving the wisdom of the heart....YES! His Holiness, the Dalai Lama is constantly addressing the need for this.
12:01:24 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
Hes speaking of indigenous words, why not supply these links as part of the presentation? Instead of misappropriation ?
12:02:57 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:
IMHO, I would add - detrimental to the Planet,,
12:03:08 From Karen Ball to Host and Panelists:
Wetiko: Healing the Mind virus That Plaques Our World by Paul Levy
12:03:08 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
12:03:16 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
I see this as a typical white mans approach , to separate the perception of the US constitution from the truth
12:03:26 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
You can HELP the people who have appeared on Humanity Rising find and radically collaborate by studying the presenters and their presentations in order to identify matches that could be made. Matchmaking is an important step we can all do together to help build the radical collaborations needed in the world as this time.
12:03:51 From Elizabeth Hubbard to Everyone:
We need a radically new blueprint! And it is not the old one.
12:04:14 From Diane Sue to Everyone:
Seeing Wetiko: On Capitalism, Mind Viruses, and Antidotes for a World in Transition ::https://www.kosmosjournal.org/article/seeing-wetiko-on-capitalism-mind-viruses-and-antidotes-for-a-world-in-transition/::
12:04:23 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
The only way to save democracy is to centre the words that spawned it
12:05:10 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
And the philosophy of pre-contact consensus
12:05:26 From Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Everyone:
Live simply, so others may simply live…
12:06:57 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
The Treaty Wampum belts of the Haudenosaunee confederacy
12:07:04 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
All great suggestions for getting Americans to realize what democracy actually is, George. How do we stay hopeful that a culture of ignorance, greed, self-interest can suddenly become caring, compassionate and understanding of what a society and the common good are.
12:07:07 From Deborah Perkins to Everyone:
George, deeply grateful for your wake up call today, just now in reality clarion
12:07:50 From Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Everyone:
Switzerland has RAPID accountability in their govt system FOR THE PEOPLE. 🙂
12:08:39 From Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Everyone:
IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS!
12:08:51 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
A global council of watershed grandmothers
12:10:38 From Jane M to Everyone:
No significant qualifications are required to become the leaders of most democracies.
12:10:43 From Crystal to Everyone:
Why vote for a candidate who will not share taxes?
12:10:45 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
Horizontal leadership solves the mental insolvency problem
12:12:04 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
bottom line -- politicians don't fall out of the sky. they are put in office by WE THE PEOPLE. Ultimate accountability for the USA mess lies with the nonchalance, disengagement, small-minded, self-interestedness of WE THE PEOPLE.
12:12:07 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
Recenter the pre-contact philosophy of the indigenous people colonialism tried to genocide
12:12:10 From Charles Bensinger to Everyone:
They do. The politicians always set their salaries, benefits and health care. No true accountability there.
12:12:25 From Deborah Perkins to Everyone:
We the nation need George in broadcast across the airways of our country
12:12:48 From Jen Forti to Everyone:
This is so powerful George. This should be broadcast throughout all the channels and platforms across US
12:12:50 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
With Love...
Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.
You can join the After Chat here:
::https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09::
Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451
Passcode: 919541
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12:13:19 From Crystal to Everyone:
Need to eliminate counting anyone as less than a person and add all sentoent beings of same value
12:13:29 From Jen Forti to Everyone:
Deborah, our ears were both ringing!
12:14:08 From Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Everyone:
GIFT
12:14:19 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://griersmusings.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/the-power-of-one-bryce-courtenay.pdf:: (novel 541 pages learning principles for life through its characters)
::https://blog.12min.com/the-power-of-one-pdf/:: (5 min read of novel summary)
::https://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/Power_of_One.pdf:: (Script by ROBERT MARK KAMEN)
12:14:32 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:
Thank you, George for your heart and your capacity to articulate what needs to be done!
12:14:56 From Celia Anne Browne to Host and Panelists:
thank you George!
that wasn’t a diatribe
your words are heroic!
12:15:21 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:
Thank you, George, for sharing your wisdom, passion and dedication to sustaining our democratic republic.
12:15:37 From Deborah Perkins to Everyone:
one of our most powerful sessions
12:15:38 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
George Cappannelli, can you lead an effort to make your words have meaning by helping the fans of Humanity Rising to index the 395 episodes to help the various powerful presenters make good collaborations?
12:15:45 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/08/11/authoritarian-weaknesses-and-pandemic-pub-82452::
12:15:47 From Andrew C. to Everyone:
Brilliant presentation! This needs to be heard by all Americans. Really really HEARD!
12:16:21 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:
So I boycott etc - for decades. I’m wondering how we get to the tipping point so these steps can make a difference and not stay as ideals (I share what I do with others - most out of convenience prefer not to. And sometimes I can’t even keep up with all the places I want to boycott based on more recent developments). And agreed, for instance, why is LGraham still in office when he either is or should be under review for election interference. I’m ok with if proven innocent, he runs again - but keeping the position. That would not happen in most private companies. And as an attorney held to standards of professionalism, not having conflicts of interest etc. it’s hard to understand how so many maintained either their position or their conflicts. So how do we get enough of us to affect the tipping point to enact these changes? These are great - brilliant as said! And ideals I share - just don’t want them to stay as ideals only. And yes I agree with the Nature concept - completely….
12:16:35 From Jean Stevens to Everyone:
75th Doomsday Clock announced today and it remains at 100 Seconds to Midnight. We must all wake up and stop those whom are putting our planet at risk.
12:17:02 From Jane Norton to Everyone:
thank you Jim! Yes, we are citizens of Mother earth.
12:17:12 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:
Black Elk's voice to be heard too.
12:17:37 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/authoritarian-governance-is-like-a-virus::
12:17:45 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
The Crown AND the Church needs to be recognized as the perpetrators of indigenous murder and the genocide of youth through residential schools, both in so-called CANADA and the USA
12:18:10 From Sheena Koyama to Host and Panelists:
What do you think the totalitarianism movement through the vaccination mandatory?
12:18:20 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
7300+ gravesites uncovered in 2021
12:18:24 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://www.sacredstream.org/the-wisdom-of-black-elk/::
12:18:47 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:
@Leo, Thank you.
12:18:55 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://www.plough.com/en/topics/justice/reconciliation/we-are-all-related::
12:19:16 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
Tax strikes
12:19:31 From Robert Hayes to Host and Panelists:
Leo, my device lost that link to the McConnell statement .... could you repost &/or transmit again, etc? thx
12:19:34 From Jane M to Everyone:
Beautiful George!
12:19:47 From Astrid Stahlberg to Host and Panelists:
Thank you soooo much!
12:19:54 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/blackelkendofthedream.html::
12:20:03 From Jen Forti to Everyone:
Thank you George <3
12:20:05 From Tom Howlett to Everyone:
Totally inspiring. Thank you George!
12:20:12 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
You can join the After Chat here:
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12:20:26 From Diane Sue to Everyone:
So much food for thought. Thank you, George and Jim!
12:20:33 From Deborah Henderson to Everyone:
Thank you sooooo much. Incredibly inspiring and thought provoking.
12:20:33 From Mary Carlson to Everyone:
Thank you.
12:21:01 From Roz Bound to Everyone:
Thank you Jim and George
12:21:11 From Kevin He/him Canada to Everyone:
Thank you very much for the shared knowledge today. Much respect
12:21:41 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
Jim, please remember that participants CAN NOT copy the chat or any part of it.
12:21:54 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
You can join the After Chat here:
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12:22:05 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:
Thank you so very much, George and Jim, too! Thanks to each of you for your info here as well. Off to work - enjoy the after chat! Appreciate you, Stanley, for holding
12:22:14 From Larissa Chuprina to Everyone:
Thank you.
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