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00:05:18 Leo Jacoby: > ::https://medium.com/change-becomes-you/long-live-men-our-moonshot-mission-for-mankind-and-humanity-e9f7f266fae7:: (By Jed Diamond Ph.D Sep 11, 2022)
00:09:32 Shana James: Thank you Leo for all of your findings!
00:12:17 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Thanks for your life’s work for a thriving life for all. Together in collaboration, coagulation, and dialogue, we get to prompt the world back into thriving for ALL our relations.
Kurt Krueger, AnotherU, 1-818-399-0771, PeaceMakersCircles at gmail.com
See how we can bring Peace IN Everything, Everything WITH Peace even faster with the PeaceMaker Master Heart Circles while being all we can be to : ::https://noblegoldman.com/fun/intentional-change-network/kurtkrueger::
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- Winning Ways for Living * (last volume in the bestselling series) ~ Three books in 1 to make your life better…
Peak Performance Prompters Youtube channel: ::https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-knXCX5m1O7puzZNOqaSxh7IfK6xv7Ga:: It contains 361 videos selected with Kurt and OTHERS, including Jim Carey.
00:14:28 Ola Akinwe: olaakinwe@gmail.com
00:15:27 Stanley Pokras: Thank you for sending your email address.
00:17:07 Ola Akinwe: www.bmanadvocacy.org +234 802 301 0608
00:19:06 Leo Jacoby: Links shared today (click to download to your computer before chat closes.)
00:19:40 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Here’s a gift of Empowering Communications ~ bringing on the New Paradigm through the Word becoming flesh! Love your impressions and experiences using these expressions…
🙂 Love you and your gifts. Thank You God.
00:22:17 Daniel (Thoth Trismegistus): Does any One Have an Answer for What Causes Masculinity To Become Toxic?
00:22:42 Leo Jacoby: ::https://realmenfeel.org/2019/08/27/ep-145-the-good-men-manifesto/:: (Jed Diamond August 27, 2019 podcast)
00:23:16 Shannon McArthur: Daniel, I believe it is the experience of the child that creates toxicity — of many kinds.
00:23:28 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Whatever sex or gender, “What is the mystery of peace, that when we discover and embrace, our realization of it would be faster and easier?”
00:23:42 Leo Jacoby: Societies of Peace: Matriarchies Past, Present and Future by Heidi Goettner-Abendroth, Editor 8/30/2009
00:24:30 Shana James: Wow this is so interesting Betty.
00:25:01 diana: Name of book, again? And author?
00:25:30 Daniel (Thoth Trismegistus): Replying to "Daniel, I believe it..."
Interesting, Thank you for your Answer...
00:26:14 Ola Akinwe: how about toxic femininity?
00:27:58 Shana James: Looking at boys empowerment feels important! I appreciate bringing in the framing of boys, not just men.
00:28:02 Shana James: Thank you so much y’all for being in this conversation. I have to go take care of my kid. Hope to see you tomorrow!
00:29:03 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: See how conditioned we are sitting, stagnating the blood flow, etc. for long periods of time as opposed to our human norm or movement. See the power of movement for the mind in Dr. John Ratey’s work at Harvard U. The speakers mentioned the value of the somatic. :)
00:29:07 Lisa Hickey: I am so sorry, I have to jump off. It was such a pleasure talking with you all and I hope to stay connected.
00:30:01 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: ZOOM PEACE with The Peace Salute, ::https://youtu.be/iAknrhuvPr0:: whenever you say goodbye.
“Love is omni-inclusive progressively exquisite understanding and compassionately attuned to other than self.”
~ Buckminster Fuller ~
00:35:02 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Albert, we love to hear your wisdom of today… Would you like to share?
00:35:05 Leo Jacoby: > ::https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/34991500.Heide_Goettner_Abendroth::
> ::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heide_G%C3%B6ttner-Abendroth::
> ::https://dgrnewsservice.org/resistance-culture/radical-feminism/green-flame-on-matriarchy-with-heide-goettner-abendroth/:: (47:16 podcast)
> ::https://matriarchalstudies.com/:: (Copyright 2013 and 2019, by Barbara Alice Mann and Heide Göttner-Abendroth. First published at Oxford University Press and re-used with kind permission.)
00:36:10 Daniel (Thoth Trismegistus): In What Ways Do Toxic Masculinity and Femininity Manifest?
00:39:25 Stanley Pokras: Could it be that “toxicity” be the associated with competition. The compition for access to reproduction.
00:39:29 Ola Akinwe: Please join us this Saturday if your time permits
00:39:47 Shannon McArthur: Thanks, Ola.
00:40:36 Daniel (Thoth Trismegistus): Replying to "Could it be that “to..."
You May Be On To Some thing...
00:41:01 Leo Jacoby: > ::https://www.jstor.org/stable/23927538:: (Review of Societies of Peace by: CAROL P. CHRIST 2012)
00:45:21 diana: @Betty - The Research you were Talking About, the book which is probably out of print, you think - what is the Name of the book and the female Researcher?
00:47:16 Leo Jacoby: Ola Akinwe: Exploring Boys Feminization in the 21st Century, Saturday, July 29, 2023 11 am ET on Zoom 848 0935 5758 Passcode: BMAN
00:47:35 Shannon McArthur: Thanks, Leo!!
00:47:37 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: I got to spend some time with Madam Sirleaf of Liberia, and I got to spend a few hours with Wangari Maathai, a great and kind lady. She won the Noble Peace Prize for planting trees and wrote a great book, Unbowed: A Memoir.
00:48:29 Leo Jacoby: Diana, see my chat posts: > ::https://www.spdbooks.org/Products/9780978223359/societies-of-peace-matriarchies-past-present-and-future.aspx:: (Societies of Peace: Matriarchies Past, Present and Future by Heidi Goettner-Abendroth, Editor 8/30/2009. 449 pp. celebrates women's largely ignored and/or invisible contribution to culture by exploring matriarchal societies that have existed in the past and that continue to exist today in certain parts of the world.
00:50:49 diana: Thanks, Leo Heidi Goettner. I had completely missed the Name when Betty was speaking, so didn't realise. Great Research!!! As usual!!
00:52:06 Dr. Betty Woodman: @Diana - The book is "Societies at Peace" and I believe it was edited by Signe Howell. It was a collection of research chapters. Johanna Overing (from memory) was the one who wrote about the Shavante and Piora (again, spelling) but many of the chapters were really good. Doug Fry has also produced a good book about some of these cultures, although different ones.
00:52:27 Dr. Betty Woodman: And actually, it's a different "Societies at Peace!!!" Same name, different book.
00:52:56 diana: Thanks, Betty! So fascinating.
00:52:57 Dr. Betty Woodman: I'm sure this group is all familiar with Riane Eisler's "Chalice and Blade," yes?
00:53:30 diana: The Name, yes - but not the content
00:53:31 Shannon McArthur: Yes, Riane has spoken on HR. Great writer and speaker!
00:53:51 Shannon McArthur: You’re right, Diana. Wish I knew more.
00:54:35 Dr. Betty Woodman: Replying to "The Name, yes - but ..."
It's excellent!
00:55:29 Leo Jacoby: > ::https://archive.org/search?query=Wangari+Maathai+Unbowed%3A+A+Memoir:: (includes podcast links)
00:57:44 Dr. Betty Woodman: What a fascinating conversation! I've enjoyed all your comments! Need to leave now, but thank you.
00:58:03 Shannon McArthur: Great to have you join us!
00:58:09 Leo Jacoby: Betty, thanks for the correct title: ::https://archive.org/details/societiesatpeace00howe:: (Societies at peace : anthropological perspectives by Howell, Signe; Willis, Roy G. Papers originally presented at a conference held in June 1986 at the University of Edinburgh. Includes bibliographical references and indexes
00:58:13 Dr. Betty Woodman: Thank you, Shannon!
00:59:00 Dr. Betty Woodman: Thanks, Leo! Good to know where to find the archive!
00:59:06 Leo Jacoby: CONTENTS Societies at Peace: Introduction / Signe Howell and Roy Willis -- Hobbesian and Rousseauan images of man : autonomy and individualism in a peaceful society / Clayton A. Robarchek -- "To be angry is not to be human, but to be fearful is" : Chewong concepts of human nature / Signe Howell -- Symbolic representations of tranquility and aggression among the Buid / Thomas Gibson -- Styles of manhood : an Amazonian contrast in tranquillity and violence / Joanna Overing -- Peace and violence in Bali : culture and social organization / L.E.A. Howe -- The non-violent Zapotec / Carl W. O'Nell -- The "peace puzzle" in Ufipa / Roy Willis -- "You only live in your body" : peace, exchange and the siege mentality in Ulster / Anthony D. Buckley -- Child in society, and society in children : the nature of basic trust / Colwyn Trevarthen and Katerina Logotheti. Sociality, not aggression, is the key human trait / Michael Carrithers -- "Peace" / Alan Campbell -- Identifying peaceful societies / Paul Heelas
01:00:30 Daniel (Thoth Trismegistus): Could it Be that the Traits Associated with the Masculine and Feminine Aspects of our Being as Viewed From the Contemporary Perspective of our Modern Society Is not In Complete Congruence with their True Nature?
For Instance, Is Mental Fortitude Really only a Masculine Trait By Nature, or Is it Actually a Misunderstanding Born of a Systematic Conditioning Based Upon the Increasingly Misaligned Expectations Maintained At a Societal Level, that Has and Still Is In it Self Purported In Accordance with such a Fundamental Misunderstanding of the True Nature of these Aspects, Effectively Creating a Feedback Loop of "Toxic Conditioning" of the Children?
01:02:50 Leo Jacoby: ::https://archive.org/details/chaliceblade00eisl:: (The chalice and the blade : our history, our futureby Riane TennenhausEisler, 1987)
01:03:35 Francine DiGeorgio: Thank you everyone. Thank you Shannon
01:05:46 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Josef, TY for the Pause that refreshes. 🙂
01:08:44 Paul: I agree Josef, but we have to see what THE Problem is clearly.
01:10:26 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: AMAZING - all about English, ::https://youtu.be/kuFZk4czSdY::
01:12:01 Leo Jacoby: ::https://archive.org/details/languagethoughtr0000john:: (language, thought, and reality by john b. carroll 1956)
01:12:43 Stanley Pokras: The language is important and so are the agreements that language facilitates.
01:12:46 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Josef, your name covered the lower portion of your quote.
01:12:46 Stanley Pokras: Agreements
Everything we know, everything we see, everything we do together depends on agreements. Language is a tool for making agreements, writing is a tool for recording agreements, money is a tool for enumerating and assigning value to our agreements. Agreements among people are the basis for our conscious reality. Without a process for agreed upon concepts, our reality would be awash with meaningless sensations.
— Stanley R. Pokras
01:14:11 Leo Jacoby: Douglas Fry recommended by Betty:
> ::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_P._Fry::
> ::https://hhs.uncg.edu/pcs/people/fry-douglas-p/::
> ::https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=FjMa7xcAAAAJ&hl=en::
> ::https://thebulletin.org/biography/douglas-p-fry/::
> ::https://global.oup.com/ushe/product/the-human-potential-for-peace-9780195181784::
01:18:26 Leo Jacoby: Updated links file for today
01:21:35 Leo Jacoby: > ::https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/04/12/how-humanity-can-realistically-prevent-new-wars-an-interview-with-nthropologist-douglas-p-fry/:: (BY APRIL M. SHORT April 12, 2021)
01:22:11 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Literate in 90 days? Check out Sunita Gandhi who produced a Language/Literacy and Numeracy program that only takes 90 days for children or elders to be literate and 'mathematical' to read a newspaper, not that you'd want the propaganda... :) In any written language. Check it out: ::https://fln.dignityeducation.org:: (::https://fln.dignityeducation.org::)
About Education, Sraddhalu Ranade. Here’s an Eastern viewpoint and Kurt’s ideal too: ::https://youtu.be/BdVyAQcxHfg:: (::https://youtu.be/BdVyAQcxHfg::)..
“I have come to believe that a great teacher is a great artist and that there are as few as there are any other great artists. Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts since the medium is the human mind and spirit.” ~ John Steinbeck
01:22:51 Leo Jacoby: ::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracle_of_Bern:: (2003 film)
01:24:18 Leo Jacoby: ::https://europeanfilmawards.eu/en_EN/film/the-miracle-of-bern.5816::
01:24:59 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Daniel, Are you Swedish
01:25:59 Hyacinth Oesterlin: He does sound Swedish!
01:26:28 Leo Jacoby: > ::https://cineuropa.org/en/film/36217/::
> ::https://www.screendaily.com/the-miracle-of-bern-das-wunder-von-bern/4014715.article::
01:26:45 diana: Norwegian?
01:31:09 Hyacinth Oesterlin: Bernie Paul
01:35:26 Leo Jacoby: More Fry:
> ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz9xPBQ_CO0:: (1:40:05 #253 Douglas Fry: Is War Part Of Human Nature? In this episode, we focus on the anthropology of war. Dr. Fry critiques the evolutionary psychology approach to war. · The Dissenter · Nov 8, 2019)
> ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTiJW2ETqy8:: (1:21:05 Questioning Assumptions about War and Human Nature
Douglas P. Fry is Professor and Chair of the Department of Peace · The Nicky Rew Podcast · Oct 20, 2020)
01:38:46 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: Someone tried to run myself and first wife over in a campground in Eutah Alabama, as they yelled out Dirty Hippy Bastard.
01:41:20 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: He was the smart one (academic) I the free spirit, hyper active/not paying attention in class
01:42:00 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: And leave needing too’s…
01:46:54 Shawnda - Earth Mother Network: Replying to "He was the smart one..."
😯
01:47:34 Shawnda - Earth Mother Network: Replying to "More Fry:
> https://..."
❤️
01:48:12 diana: ::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracle_of_Bern::
01:48:18 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og1RAWvnpA0:: (WATCH 1:53:05 as Wunder Von Bern / The Miracle of Bern (2003) (VI/EN subtitles)
01:50:50 Leo Jacoby: Final links file with link to watch The Wonder of Bern
01:51:31 diana: Kurt, the Name of the film, please??
01:51:48 Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network: The Emerald Forest
01:53:05 Ola Akinwe: Replying to "The Emerald Forest"
thanks for sharing
01:53:58 Daniel (Thoth Trismegistus): ::https://www.facebook.com/ThothBaphometHermesAzraelAurielAuzril::
01:54:06 Daniel (Thoth Trismegistus): AuzrilTheOmnious@proton.me
01:54:34 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT03T7SlLb8:: (1:48:51 The Emerald Forest 1985 Full Movie. An Engineer working on a Dam project in the South American rain forest
has his son abducted by a tribe of Indians. 10 years later he finds his son who is now a full member of the tribe.)
01:56:25 diana: HR Day 263 From Boy to Man - The Need for Initiation
01:58:02 Paul: GOOD, Stan. It's about time we introduce ourselves.
01:58:04 Leo Jacoby: ::https://othernetworks.org/HR!Day263::
02:01:46 Stanley Pokras: Diana - The afterchat for this episode included a talk by Ipswa that included comments about raising youth. But his main points addressed apology to women Man in Relationship to the Natural World (Ipswa spoke)
02:02:03 Stanley Pokras: ::https://www.othernetworks.org/HR!Day367-1::
02:02:48 Paul: Daniel is right. In the US we went through the Rock Hudson (who was gay) being super masculine and the women werm reduced to Doris Day, housewives for their men back from war. This changed during Vietnam and Hippies.
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