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Humanity Rising Day 634 After Chat – Thursday February 16, 2023
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...00:02:41 Stanley Pokras: This is the AfterChat for day 634
00:06:31 Naomi Calligaro: Yes, there are serious translation issues! Dr. Neil Douglas Klotz has been doing very interesting work in this area, translating from Aramaic DIRECTLY into English.
00:07:20 Heather Tischbein: A resource for Aramaic translations. ::https://abwoon.org::
00:08:05 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.keithward.org.uk/::
00:11:29 David Storey Hampshire UK: all and Naomi Agreed that the work of Dr Neil Douglas Klotz on Aramaic is important/useful. David
00:11:56 Paul Hillery: Huge problems in translation! Huge problems In raciial differences. Look at how the Vikings treated their woman and slaves. Ancient Egyptians , Greeks, Romans the rest of humanity.
00:13:00 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.learnoutloud.com/Free-Audio-Video/Religion-and-Spirituality/Comparative-Religion/Keith-Ward/19677:: (39 min Robert Wright & Keith Ward 2003)
00:13:32 Shannon McArthur: Thanks, Leo, good to have you with us!
00:16:38 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.google.com/books/edition/Religion_and_Community/IXGr7Ad5AswC?hl=en:: (42 pp preview Religion and Community by Keith Ward 2000 -- proposes a radical vision of the church as a person-affirming, world-transforming society within the emerging global community.)
00:17:58 Naomi Calligaro: From memory, Neil Doughas Klotz gives a translation of the first line of the Lord's Prayer, as 'O Birther, Mother-Father of the Cosmos'. Neil says that the word 'Abwoon' transcends gender, so that to translate the prayer into English as 'The Lord's Prayer' is completely incorrect.
00:20:15 Naomi Calligaro: My reality is that a key issue in what has gone wrong in the world historically, as well as what is currently wrong, is the fact that the Golden Rule (ie., 'Do unto others as you would have done unto you' - if the roles were reversed), is generally treated in so called Christianity as if it were a peripheral matter, rather than the core religious teaching that it in fact is. If the Golden Rule was / is treated in mainstream Christianity as the core teaching that it is, with continual exploration of what this core teaching means in daily life, evil things such as slavery and the Holocaust in Germany would have been / be more clearly seen for what they were / are, ie., a total violation of core Christian teaching, an abhorrence.
00:20:28 Leo Jacoby: ::https://bloggingtheology.com/2021/04/30/revd-professor-keith-ward-in-discussion-with-blogging-theology/:: (1:11:30 Keith Ward discusses his work with Paul Williams of Blogging Theology. We discussed the gospels, Jesus, God, the early Church, and was a Muhammad a prophet of God.)
00:20:48 Hyacinth Oesterlin: The Lord´s Prayer is so called because when the disciples of Jesus asked Him to teach them to pray as John The Baptist had taught his disciples to pray, He gave them what we now call it.
00:22:28 Leo Jacoby: ::https://hallow.com/blog/how-to-pray-our-father-in-aramaic/::
00:23:44 Richard Page: Richard@conferencerecording.com for the link to Sacred Earth:Growing Beloved Community March 1 trialogue with Celtic scholar John Philip Newell, author of Sacred Earth, Sacred Soul
00:24:27 Leo Jacoby: ::https://brightmorningstar.org/lords-prayer-in-aramaic/::
00:25:38 Hyacinth Oesterlin: Yes Leo, we pray as we feel from the heart. The Lord´s Prayer is only one prayer.
00:27:05 Leo Jacoby: ::https://thinkingreed.wordpress.com/2006/01/09/keith-ward-on-the-nature-and-teachings-of-the-bible/::
00:28:29 Naomi Calligaro: Hyacinth, I believe you would find it illuminating to look into the work of Aramaic Scholar Dr. Neil Douglas Klotz, who translates the teachings of Jesus DIRECTLY from Aramaic into English. When one translates DIRECTLY from Aramaic into English, one realises how very limited mainstream translations of the teaching of Jesus are.
00:29:13 Leo Jacoby: By entering the Creation Story and caring for our common home we all become indigenous people.
00:31:25 Heather Tischbein: I appreciate you all and this conversation. It supports me in my local work trying to bring this conversation into local public sector conversations around land use and economic development planning where I live. I must go now. For now, I’m taking deep breaths…and keeping on, keeping on.
00:31:51 Shannon McArthur: Heather, thank you for coming.
00:33:37 Richard Page: Direct link to join Sacred Earth March 1 event is at Faithinformed.Org
00:34:30 Shannon McArthur: Patty, Astrid and Naomi, you are encouraged to join the conversation if you are inspired to do so. I would love to see and hear you and your opinions…
00:36:48 Stanley Pokras: Starting to see the word “DEGROWTH appear on Othernetworks ::https://othernetworks.org/index.php?search=Degrowth&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1::
00:37:45 Kevin He/him Canada: Kevinguyan@gmail.com
00:38:30 Leo Jacoby: ::https://archive.org/details/inlibrary?query=Keith+Ward:: (online books to borrow)
00:38:44 Kevin He/him Canada: If anyone would like to join a group of people interested in the development of Citizens Assembly narratives. Please reach out.
00:40:53 Leo Jacoby: Richard, do you have a different link for Sacred Earth March 1 event
00:42:26 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.diocal.org/calendars/save-the-date-sacred-earth-growing-beloved-community-webcast/:: (March 1 event)
00:42:55 Stanley Pokras: Jim Rough & Center for Wise Democracy, Wisdom Council Process ::https://othernetworks.org/Center_for_Wise_Democracy::
00:43:41 Leo Jacoby: MArch 1: Join us for the next episode of Sacred Earth: Growing Beloved Community where leading spiritual teacher John Philip Newel in conversation with Bishop Marc Andrus and Dr. M. Paloma Pavel shares how Celtic spirituality—listening to the sacred around us and inside of us—can help us heal the earth, overcome our conflicts, and reconnect with ourselves.
Visit www.faithinformed.org/sacred-earth to view previous videos.
00:46:33 Stanley Pokras: There are several groups that come up with the query Citizens Assembly on Facebook - ::https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=citizens%20assembly::
00:48:36 Kevin He/him Canada: Citizens Assembly:USA the image in the thumbnail is a grey looking image
00:50:03 Carol Sue Engleman on Facebook: Sorry
00:50:08 Leo Jacoby: ::https://citizensassemblies.org/::
00:50:52 Leo Jacoby: A citizens’ assembly is a new form of democracy which allows to make decisions at a city, national or even at the international level. A citizens’ assembly is a randomly selected group of residents according to the demographic criteria such as gender and age. It constitutes a city or a country in miniature.
00:51:00 Shannon McArthur: ::https://www.facebook.com/groups/CitizenAssembly/::
00:51:31 Leo Jacoby: Thanks Shannon
00:53:10 David Storey Hampshire UK: Book by Keith Ward is Love is his Meaning, subtitled Understanding the teaching of Jesus. (2017)
00:55:05 Kevin He/him Canada: DEGROWTH
00:55:45 Kevin He/him Canada: Thats why Hyacinth….
00:55:57 Stanley Pokras: Peace is more profitable than war… #Global Advertising Campaign for Peace
00:56:35 Kevin He/him Canada: No one talks about degrowth either……stop war and degrow….the 1% need to avoid these topics
00:58:31 Leo Jacoby: Thank you Keith for the book title. ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcTFlgOx9aI:: (1:02:51 Love Is His Meaning - Keith Ward)
01:00:45 Naomi Calligaro: I agree, Carol Sue, there is a lot of misinformation! This misinformation is occurring on all sides. Peoples position depends on which version of misinformation they are taking as their reality.
01:04:29 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262616505_Keith_Ward's_soft_panentheism:: (By Raymond Potgieter. This article seeks to assess the general approach to a Christian interpretation of reality as popularly applied by Keith Ward. It is suggested that he employs panentheist criteria in his attempts to buttress a theological accommodation of both material and spiritual interpretations of reality.)
01:04:35 Paul Hillery: I want peace extremely, But what I find absent from this discourse is dallying with a fanatic like Putin, claiming a historic right from the ancient Czars. There might be room for war! Because of Putin’s madness. One has to deal different with this and I understand Jim’s nostalgic view, (which I share as a Citizen Diplomat) If you don’t understands Putin’s mindset, then you WON’T. UNDERSTAND.
01:04:43 Shannon McArthur: Iya, welcome, and Linda too!! Great to see you both
01:04:49 Iya tahirah: Good afternoon all, seen that I miss an important discussion.
01:08:28 David Storey Hampshire UK: Sorry Ihave to go David
01:08:38 Shannon McArthur: Lovely to have you with us, David!
01:08:55 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.academia.edu/76179148/Possibility_Value_and_Mind_The_Entangled_Heart_of_Keith_Wards_Philosophical_Theology:: (By Andrew M Davis 2022 13pp)
- https://www.academia.edu/8501343/God_and_Human_suffering_A_Critique_of_Keith_Ward_s_Theodicy:: (By Joseph Fernandes 24pp)
01:12:15 Paul Hillery: VERY GOOD!
01:12:55 Naomi Calligaro: I agree with you Iya
01:14:38 Naomi Calligaro: So true Kevin
01:17:14 Leo Jacoby: ::https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2017/15-september/books-arts/book-reviews/the-truth-beneath-the-surface:: (Review of Love Is His Meaning by Ward)
01:17:51 Carol Sue Engleman on Facebook: I am inviting you to a webinar tonight www.drbuttar.com or www.drbuttar.info. You have to go there and get registered so you will be sent a link in your email. It starts at 8 PM ET tonight. I hope you can make it.
01:20:53 Stanley Pokras: The Embargo video is on this site: ::https://othernetworks.org/The_Peoples_Intelligence_Agency::
01:21:22 Shannon McArthur: I have to go, my friends… carry on! See you tomorrow!
01:22:39 Iya tahirah: I will have to leave early today. See you guys maybe tomorrow.
01:23:34 Paul Hillery: Since he 50”s? All though history.. I was EARLY TEENS during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Mv father was a policeman in NY and set to guard the Russian Prermier
01:24:07 Paul Hillery: I worked at the UN. My mother went to college with Raul C
01:26:12 Carol Sue Engleman on Facebook: ::https://thepeoplesintelligenceagency.com:: scroll down to the end for "Embargo" The first videos connect the dots for what is going on now and was filmed at my house in California
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