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Humanity Rising Day 367-2 After Chat – Friday November 19, 2021
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Chat from AfterChat Zoom from HR Day 367-2:
aka ChatPeople Chat
Leo's Notes with links from both the morning and afternoon Humanity Rising
Links offered during HR Nov. 19, AM and PM
Kurt Krueger;
Leo Jacoby:
Dehanna Rice:
Brian Stafford:
Shannon MacArthur:
- https://liongoodman.com/an-open-apology-to-women/:: (offered during Afterchat)
Dehanna Rice:
Indra Adnan:
Kathryn Alexander:
Stanley Pokras:
- https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09:: (Afterchat link)
Ipswa:
Jeremy Lent:
Mike Corona:
Chantal Garneau:
- https://www.becomingpresent.earth/:: (Meditations on compassion, universal love, and the web of life.)
Sally Annett:
Recommended a Stephen Pope website and book
NOT: ::https://www.google.com/books/edition/Patterns_of_Creation/6vTsBAAAQBAJ::
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AFTERNOON SESSION
George:
Leo Jacoby:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3EzRhhn2e8:: (Bruce Cockburn - A Dream Like Mine [1991])
As recommended by Rita Marsh: ::https://drgabormate.com/the-wisdom-of-trauma/::
Book resources to download:
- https://book4you.org/book/11771223/504b06:: (Wounds of History: Repair and Resilience in the Trans- Generational Transmission of Trauma. Routledge by Sue Grand, Jill Salberg)
- https://book4you.org/book/11769797/eebf3f:: (Download Trans-generational Trauma and the Other: Dialogues Across History and Difference 2017 Sue Grand, Jill Salberg
- https://book4you.org/book/12634743/e97032:: (Download From Generation to Generation: Healing Intergenerational Trauma Through Storytelling by Emily Wanderer Cohen 2018)
- https://book4you.org/book/5297179/7c6e02:: (The Uninvited Guest from the Unremembered Past: An Exploration of the Unconscious Transmission of Trauma Across the Generations by Prophecy Coles)
- https://book4you.org/book/4691671/e761d8:: (Intergenerational Trauma: The Ghosts of Times Past by Hodge, Thomas 2016)
- https://book4you.org/book/10572536/9da72e:: (download Healing Collective Trauma by Thomas Hübl 2020)
[ALSO Trans-Generational Trauma: Passing It On by Thomas Hodge (cf. Amazon)]
Stanley: ::https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09:: (Afterchat link)
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NOTES
BOOKS by presenters HR Nov. 19, 2021 can be searched and downloadead at: ::https://book4you.org/:: (Free ebooks since 2009) and ARTICLES: ::https://booksc.org/::
For example:
The Patterning Instinct: A Cultural History of Humanity’s Search for Meaning
Jeremy Lent
2017 Prometheus Books 569 pp ISBN 10: 1633882934 ISBN 13: 9781633882935
EPUB, 2.79 MB: ::https://book4you.org/book/2947570/e6bc90::
This fresh perspective on crucial questions of history identifies the root metaphors that cultures have used to construct meaning in their world. It offers a glimpse into the minds of a vast range of different peoples: early hunter-gatherers and farmers, ancient Egyptians, traditional Chinese sages, the founders of Christianity, trail-blazers of the Scientific Revolution, and those who constructed our modern consumer society.
Taking the reader on an archaeological exploration of the mind, the author, an entrepreneur and sustainability leader, uses recent findings in cognitive science and systems theory to reveal the hidden layers of values that form today's cultural norms.
Uprooting the tired clichés of the science-religion debate, he shows how medieval Christian rationalism acted as an incubator for scientific thought, which in turn shaped our modern vision of the conquest of nature. The author probes our current crisis of unsustainability and argues that it is not an inevitable result of human nature, but is culturally driven: a product of particular mental patterns that could conceivably be reshaped.
By shining a light on our possible futures, the book foresees a coming struggle between two contrasting views of humanity: one driving to a technological endgame of artificially enhanced humans, the other enabling a sustainable future arising from our intrinsic connectedness with each other and the natural world. This struggle, it concludes, is one in which each of us will play a role through the meaning we choose to forge from the lives we lead.
Foreword by Fritjof Capra
Categories: Society, Politics & Philosophy - Anthropology
ALSO: ::https://book4you.org/book/16881756/6dec55:: (The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom by Jeremy Lent. 2021 MOBI , 2.02 MB
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Jed Diamond: ::https://book4you.org/s/Jed%20Diamond::
The Whole Man Program: Reinvigorating Your Body, Mind, and Spirit after 40
Jed Diamond 2002 PDF, 982 KB
Stress Relief for Men: How to Use the Revolutionary Tools of Energy Healing to Live Well
North Atlantic Books
Jed Diamond Ph.D. 2014 EPUB, 2.83 MB
Counseling Male Substance Abusers
International Psychotherapy Institute
Jed Diamond [Diamond, Jed] 2016 PDF, 268 KB
Not found: 12 Rules for Good Men; My Distant Dad; The Enlightened Marriage, and Surviving Male Menopause
Lion Goodman: ::https://book4you.org/s/Lion%20Goodman9::
(No results for Ipswa Mescacakanis, Adrien Moisson, Brian Stafford)
Jim mentioned a book, Talking to Fairies (?) , that references Pan. Perhaps this book: Talking to Fairies by Sheila Jeffries. Introduces different types of fairies, conveys real life experiences of people who believe they have been helped by fairy folk and discusses stories about fairies in folklore and tradition. Suggested level: primary, intermediate. 1998
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Re. dualism Leo offered quotes of John Macmurray, 1936 The Structure of Religious Experience (His philosophy helps correct Cartesian dialism):
"We belong to the order of Nature, but if that were the whole truth, we should not be human beings. Our humanity consists in the fact that we KNOW that we are part of the order of Nature, and live in that knowledge. In this we transcend the natural order while remaining immanent in it. The spiritual world to which, by our transcendence of the natural order, we belong is not another world, but the natural world known and intended."
"The dualism which arises from the reference of religious ideas away from the empirical experience of common life expresses itself in a multitude of forms with which we are, unhappily, only too familiar. It appears as the disjunction between secular and sacred, between human and divine, between the natural and the supernatural, between body and soul; or, with a somewhat different intonation, between reason and emotion, between matter and mind, between individualism and socialism."
"A dissociation which has its roots in the religious field must spread through every part of individual and social life and lead slowly but surely to complete disintegration. What God has joined man puts asunder at his peril. But to trace its ramifications would carry us too far afield. Instead, I shall leave the analysis at the point the argument has reached, and present, in as simple a form as I can compass, the view of religion to which it points."
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NOTES on afternoon session (incomplete)
Agriculture -->> humankind apart from nature; (controling nature) dominance; humankind apart from nature; hierarchical social structures -->> men over women = patriarchy
Jim: We require a ruthless realism
attitufdinal transformation steps to catalyze in some way a change in consciousness
re-membering who we essentially are in the real web of life
all interconnected in one life stream
Reimagine who we are
Man in relationship with Self, Soul, Other, World
Challenged, cleansed, inspired by these sessions
Lion Goodman: The Masculine Dialogue ie. The Human Dialogue
M/F in all of us in some ratio; yin/yang
patriarchy / oligarchy used men as cannon fodder and industrial gears
prefer Eisler's "Dominator culture"
Pater - pattern / mater - matter We are both matter and pattern
Human "doings" trying to become human beings
Dialectic, linguistic tricks to keep us (M/F, skin color, human/nature) separate and divided
George Cappannelli: Collaboration, brotherhood and cooperation for this week
hope, integrity, ... commitment, openness, receptivity
Not ready to let men off the hook. Need more male dialogues, commitments and acknowledgement of our harm to women and other species
To contribute our essential part
Yes, ruthless realism. COP was a failure in light of our huMAN crimes against what is right and necessary
Look in the mirror and ask what are we doing: not a mythical time in the future but today and everyday
Whole new level of conversation that needs to happen with other courageous souls
People are doing extraordinary work for decades, often against the odds
This (HR) platform for undergirding a whole new way of living
Hopi elders prayer: time of the lone wolf is over, as so demonstrated by these dialogues
World like dry kindling waiting for the right spark on a journey to be more divine human beings
A different sense of hope on the precipice of destruction, new possibilities, generosity of spirit
Michael Meade Man//Soul Early stages of men's movement did not ignite as did women's movement
Heal our own wounds, share the masculine mission in touch with our own wounds
Getting out of the Man box... etc. a treasure trove of 60+ mentors and teachers
Jim asked Frans Bloem to offer a song, "What makes man a man?"
Heidi Sparkes Guber: Need for a new narrative requiring words we don't have
How to understand from where men are seeing us?
Deep inquiry. Listening silently after a contribution. Doing this intentionally and often on this platform
Humility. Learn to kneel again. We don;t have the answers.
Being curious about who we are.
Jim: Oracle of Delphi - Socrates astounded the wisest? The only one who knows he doesn't know! On the path to wisdom.
Celeste Krueger: Listening here I feel less alone. Ache in my heart for the kind of conversation we yearn for. Retreat with all women, speak the unspeakable, the places we couldn't touch with words; formed a healing circle, take turns in the center we hummed while she wailed or slept.
Sedena Cappannelli: New optimism, being cared about as a woman.
Looking for the gentle male protector of woman and children (and planet)
Reconciling the divide; common desire for interconnectiveness.
Weave a new future. Willingness to take action.
Creating the world from the inside out.
Feel our feelings; ask for help if we need it; connect with community like HR.
"When you are doing good you can know millions are doing good" 100th Monkey fable. We ARE a network of people doing good. Youth coming forward; elders needed to support them.
David Kaar: healing from trauma to restore us to kind, loving persons. Emotional truth is the elixir of healing. Provide spaces for men (and women) to do this.
Jim Garrison: recommends Healing Collective Trauma by Thomas Hübl 2020 (download link below)
Tom Eddington: 5: to give, serve, grow, create, and love?
Coach Michael Taylor: Intuition is the voice of the divine speaking to us.
Dr. Jacob Liberman: Instances in this series that connected me with strangers, heaven on earth
Jim: ended with Rumi quote
“Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing
and rightdoing there is a field.
I'll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass
the world is too full to talk about.”
― Rumi
See also: ::https://www.elephantjournal.com/2016/12/the-rumi-poem-we-should-all-read/::
End of Leo's Notes
00:04:43 Jack: Great worth Stan
00:05:36 Tillman, Int'l Dir. Strategic Planning: Bill Tillman Mentor Discover Inspire, Director of Strategic Planning, 408-306-3324
00:06:52 Jack: It’s happening
00:16:57 Leo Jacoby: Click above to save this revised file of links before chat closes
00:17:53 Mark Landau: The Hope of the World ::https://mark-landau.com/thotw.pdf::
00:19:43 Amanda Sebris: Hello everyone - I am dropping in while walking! Want to honour this amazing week and thank Stanley for all the recordings!
00:23:43 Leo Jacoby: Until people find hard copies ebooks available here: ::https://book4you.org/s/Ringing%20Cedars::
00:26:43 Leo Jacoby: Book 10: ::https://book4you.org/book/5494781/66bbbf::
00:29:11 Mark Landau: m@mark-landau.com
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