Day143HRChat
Humanity Rising Day 143 Chat Page
- Date: Friday November 20, 2020 (2020-11-20)
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Text of the Zoom Chat from HR Day 143:
From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:16 ) thank you for your persistence!!
From: Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:17 ) Good morning!
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:17 ) Good Morning to all From: Seattle. Blessings to all
From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:18 ) Yay - It's Day 143
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:18 ) Welcome Kayleen...….
From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:18 ) Kayleen, congratulations on your new ties… So glad for new ties…
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:19 ) So Beautiful Kayleen.
From: Cindy Bledsoe to Panelists and Attendees: (11:20 ) “our very cells sing the tales of our ancestors’ grief, whether or not we recognize the lyrics.” — Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds - From: new book by Thomas Hübl
From: Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:22 ) Beautiful Cindy
From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25 ) Yes Kayleen. We all have lost our intimate contacts... But it's odd, yet the special nature of this pandemic that Zoom has me experiencing the most and some of the best friends I've ever had... Sadness that I lost my Mom to the pandemic. But I've gained dozens of net Chat friends....
From: Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25 ) Wild Edge of Sorrow by Francis Weller itshould be required reading for our times
From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26 ) Kayleen, thank you so much.
From: Annette Shaked to Panelists and Attendees: (11:27 ) Quick check - I had access challenges with the link - has the zoom link we've been using since the beginning changed/
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28 ) Zoom issues this morning
From: Richard Buckley to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28 ) No changes. We apologize for the delay and difficulties getting in. We had Zoom technical problems this morning.
From: carl sonnen to Panelists and Attendees: (11:29 ) Cosmic Zoom dissonance?
From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:29 ) flatlining - feels like the right term
From: Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (11:29 ) Yes- one writer has said that the west has lost whole octaves of grief… Rilke, Pushing Through, translation by Robert Bly
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:30 ) After all these years, grief does us... it is a dance in life.
From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:30 ) Thank you, Richard!
From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:30 ) @Richard, thank you. Happy to be her despite the tech hurdles.
From: Jim Garrison to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31 ) Very sorry about the delay today, everyone. One of those bad Zoom days…Thanks for your patience.
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31 ) @Carl - LOL
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34 ) @francis Yes, it is challenging when few are willing to feel the pain.
From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34 ) that we had to wait and seek to achieve the embracing of this session seems appropriate - as we embrace the grief we share, and learn -again- how to honour it
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:37 ) @Francis - speak to us of grief/loss and non -attachment
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:39 ) @francis...you are gifted in expressing the feelings that I have trying to honor while walking in "this world"
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:39 ) It took me a year to drive the loss of my son and ten years to solve the riddle of our life and be at peace and radical acceptance; to know its perfection.
From: Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40 ) Interesting about living in the ashes. I am Swedish and didn't know this.
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40 ) Grieve the loss not drive...
From: Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44 ) need community…but now we are all called up and challenged to find new ways to gather to share…this is why programs like humanity Rising and other online programs is that this is the only lifeline we have now... Especially this coming holiday season, we need to create new rituals online of gratitude and grief
From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44 ) Love John O'Donohue. "To Bless the Space Between Us"
From: Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 ) I experienced my first profound loss at the age of 18, when I lost my mother. My grief indeed took me into numbness to the point of where I was unable to cry until viewing a movie years later, The Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman, above a slave over many years & her struggles that led to freedom. I cried like a baby. Now, crying comes easy for me. In the African American tradition, however, I was also blessed to have 3 mother figures--my mother, grandmother, & aunt. Each took on the mother role when the other transitioned to the other side. I also grew up in the segregated south, where a sense of community was very strong & I felt held in my grief.
From: Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46 ) The deeper sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain- Khalil Gibran This material on The Gates of Grief is part of Francis Weller’s magnificent book, The Wild Edge ofSorrow
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47 ) @Cuf - I think - From: my white distance that one of the treasures of black culture is the holding of community. White ‘privilege’ my be a compensation for connection?
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:48 ) may be… I LOVE this reframing of derangement
From: Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53 ) You can find more about Frnacis’s ritual work through his organization Wisdombridge
From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 ) http://www.wisdombridge.net/
From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56 ) @Francis - what is your experience with holding grief with/for youngsters (teenagers)?
From: Sarita Patel to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 ) I had a sister who committed suicide when she was 21. I work with parents and teens I love Francis’ wisdom. Feels like an Indian village.
From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58 ) Thank you, Francis. Very powerful.
From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:59 ) @Francis, the happy culture you mentioned is keeping us dissociated. What are we most afraid of seeing you think?
From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:59 ) @Sarita, @Katrhyn, @Cuf… you are in my metta
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:59 ) @Francis I am willing to join others in holding this space. I am here.
From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:59 ) . ..oOo.. ========================== Dear Chat PEOPLE and panelists Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting after this session closes. You can join the Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09 Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451 Passcode: 919541 . ..oOo.. ==========================
From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)
Yes, would appreciate Francis returning...thank you, Francis
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)
Welcome Kate. Beautiful.
From: Sarita Patel to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)
@annelies - saritampatel@yahoo.com
From: carl sonnen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)
Thank you Francis for mentoring us in this time.
From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)
@Sarita Thank you
From: Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)
LOVE that definition of Tribe= people who know the same songs!
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)
What a beautiful gift you give.....@Kate Bless you.
From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)
@ kate you are an angel. I am so moved by the generosity and beauty of your heart
From: Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)
so beautiful
From: Sarita Patel to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)
@cuff this is the purpose of community. so grateful many have this to share. it is not a comparison - it is full. privilege Robbs one of community intimacy.
From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)
So intimate and comforting
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)
@kate So Powerful. for self and others.
From: Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)
The most beautiful service!
From: Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)
Is there a feedback or echo on Zoom with multiple voices?
From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)
@ Kate- your energy is so pure as is your voice. You are a true blessing.
From: Richard Buckley to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)
Yes there is distortion and feedback.
From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)
So Beautiful ... you are a gift, so comforting
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)
@Kate....@Kayleen Beautiful vision!
From: Marilyn Hamilton to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)
I feel so blessed - at Findhorn we sing Taize on zoom 3x week. Also we have a threshold choir that is so healing. Thanks @Kate for bringing your mantra/songs. mmmmmm
From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)
transcendence
From: Marilyn Hamilton to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)
@kayleen thanks so much for this session on Grief and its profound messages.
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)
We are here Now. HeartFelt. Blessings all.
From: Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)
I’ll pledge!
From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)
@Kayleen, I will do just that. thank you
From: Marilyn Hamilton to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)
@kayleen - is that Iona cathedral in your picture? it seems so??
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)
@Kayleen Yes. Thank you. Welcome Doug and Larry. So vital and creative.
From: Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)
Rumi’s Caravan Well of Greif by David Whyte Grief Halevi of Rome, Tis a fearful thing..
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)
Stunning!
From: Marilyn Hamilton to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)
thanks deeply Kayleen, Francis, Kate, Larry, Doug
From: sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)
Thank you dear Community.
From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)
Thank you, Kate ♥
From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)
"Hello" is a conversation game. It's the safe, easy, and fun way to talk about living and dying and what matters most https://wikidelphia.org/Common_Practice_%26_Hello_(the_game)
From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:23 PM)
It is a very deep well.
From: Sarita Patel to Panelists and Attendees: (12:23 PM)
thank you everyone. I would love to share my cultural rituals with anyone. grief is a profound element of Indian culture.
