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Text of the Zoom Chat from HR Day 139:


From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:02 AM)

Good morning to all from Seattle. We are vertical here. Blessings to all.

From Shelly Alcorn to Panelists and Attendees: (11:02 AM)

Good morning all

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:03 AM)

so far so good! Love to all from Kamloops BC… Please change your To to include all attendees — we want to see what you say!!

From Cate Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (11:04 AM)

Grand Rising to all excited to be here!! Tuning on from Santa Rosa California

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:04 AM)

Love it...….Drawn in by the beauty......great focus.

From Sabinije von Gaffke to Panelists and Attendees: (11:04 AM)

Welcome beautiful souls to today’s session! Hope you all have enjoyed a lovely weekend, Sabinije

From Marcia Raff to Panelists and Attendees: (11:04 AM)

mornin Shannon. thx for reminder

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:05 AM)

beauty draws us all in… it is Her tool to get our attention and to support us through our life’s struggle

From Marcia Raff to Panelists and Attendees: (11:05 AM)

Jim, that is why we’re here!

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:06 AM)

Good Morning, Sabinije. I feel blessed!

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:06 AM)

Those who contemplate the beauty of the Earth find reserves of strength that will endure as long as life lasts. Rachel Carson.j

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:07 AM)

Awesome beauty also here in Santa Barbara CA USA...

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:07 AM)

Good morning Sabinije...Blessings.

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:08 AM)

@Jim beautiful image of the the Rose...relfecting on B.Midlers "The Rose"

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:10 AM)

my heart opens like a rose in the vibrations of her voice. Thank you so much for that lovely song.

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:10 AM)

Soo good. What a clear connection. thank you.

From Shelly Alcorn to Panelists and Attendees: (11:11 AM)

https://youtu.be/WZWRhLW7Y8w::

Here is a link to Van Jones TedTalk

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:11 AM)

Yes Love Van Jones and his Huge Heart.

From Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees: (11:13 AM)

trump is a Cluster B - it is not in him to concede

dangerous- cluster b

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:14 AM)

a little detour....welcome shelly. have be waiting too hear from you.

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:14 AM)

I’m glad to see you, though not for the purpose you fulfill.

From Mushin Patric Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (11:15 AM)

Jim, comedians are the new US Statesman Saturday Night Live ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un_VvR_WqNs::

From Cate Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (11:15 AM)

didn't the us in 1999 go through 3rd backrupsy having the flag being captured by someone new? What about all new contracts being rewritten in parse syntax?

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:15 AM)

Great laugh Shelly...considering- thanks for your help in understanding this crazy time❤️

From Jim Garrison to Panelists and Attendees: (11:16 AM)

Yes!!! The comedians have become like prophets as court jesters.

From Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:16 AM)

No ounce of the custom of humanity in Trump….our collective vision to release him and move on

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:16 AM)

Mushin, n/a in Canada. :(

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:17 AM)

Polarization is a huge subject -- very complex. Big research area.

From Cate Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (11:17 AM)

trauma, fear, and thoughts

From Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:17 AM)

On top of the Ted talk, there is also an interesting interview of Maggie Haberman (a White House correspondent for The New York Times) on the implications of the non transfer of power: ::https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000498462308::

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:17 AM)

Shelly: “Hoped not to be back!” Not our current reality, Consequences for USA<<<paper on NonViolent action in the Age of Trump>>>POLARIZATION playing out over the foreseeable future, READ this BOOK: “Polarized Mind why its killing us and what we can do about it. “ - KJ Schneider more welcoming, values based “Trauma, shock adisruption all signal incomprehensible state. ..All polarized existential panic and we have all Experienced this. How do we manage egregious wars, obscene accumulation of wealth, …”

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:18 AM)

thanks! Kat, good to see you/your contribution!!

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:18 AM)

we need guidance from the emerging new holistic paradigm

From Me to Panelists: (11:18 AM)

Couldn't the fact of trauma, fear and other destructive aspects of our society have something to do with how much money is to be made from the discord that helps to sell weapons?

From Cate Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (11:19 AM)

Overton window is where we should meet!!

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:19 AM)

Reactive swing back and forth between alternative fragments of the whole

From Cate Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (11:19 AM)

acetone

ecotone*

From Majalehn MountainFlower to Panelists and Attendees: (11:19 AM)

From Me to All Panelists: 11:16 AM

there was obvious Voter Fraud why don't you acknowledge this.. they can prove it quite an evil agenda fron Biden and his criminal son I don't like either of them but why do you favor Biden who has an agenda to Lethally Vaccinate with microchip and Mandate this nefarious agenda why do you side with this Totalitarian threat?the FRAUD was from the Democrats do you not know this?

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:20 AM)

@Shannon good to be listening this morning… Shelly: Outcome #1 paralyzing gridlock-no decisions (359 bills on McCOnnell’s desk) Outcome #2 swinging backlash (Executive orders of Mr. t on environmental rules also anything Obama) Outcome #3 Leader stays in power changes rules, growing authoritarian trend, ThANKS POLARIZATION!

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:20 AM)

Couldn't the fact of trauma, fear and other destructive aspects of our society have something to do with how much money is to be made from the discord that helps to sell weapons?

From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:20 AM)

As president of the Association for Humanistic Psychology, I know Kirk Sneider quite well. He was the editor of the Journal of Humanistic Psychology for quite awhile. Kirk actually asked me to review his book, The Polarized Mind.

From Cate Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (11:21 AM)

There are getting brave in their pirate ships!!

From Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (11:21 AM)

Isn’t it possible that the illegality of T’s action would cause grounds fir his arrest?

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:21 AM)

The propaganda is the elephant in the room. As long as the right is clever in their lies, then the free speech issue that makes dealing with that difficult is not being talked about of addressed.

From Cate Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (11:23 AM)

@Stanley I believe the root is greed

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:23 AM)

I’m not convinced that Biden is any “better” than Trump. That we struggle so hard to choose him feels like asking for the rope instead of the chair.

From Mushin Patric Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (11:24 AM)

Jim the left is as insane as the right in my assessment. The polarization is a condition of the human psyche in the evolutionary swept along drift. Scott Kelso’s Op-Ed “Understanding Polarization May Help Us Understand How to Fix It” ::https://1drv.ms/w/s!AuH1jbUiyrlQgWLBMDkY38wK3paD:: Trump plays the left like a violin trickster commedian where 70+million American’s Rage is discounted breaking norms. Coordination Dynamics-Complementarity Nature is hard wired “THE SQUIGGLING SENSE

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25 AM)

Shelly: knew Mr. t would not accept outcome of election, concerning now mechanisms of government supporting his position #1 break with traditional norms-nonpartisan recognition there is much to transition from one administration to another, never before politicized until now, Emily Murphy GSA refusing to signoff>>Effects #1 denial of $10 million for transition, ethics, outgoing services transitioning out of gov service, problematic is real (I’ve spoken with some in this loop confirming it is making it difficult) #2 world leaders must call the Biden admin directly because State Department is not forwarding the world leader calls, Biden doing readouts, biz as it would be expected to be done, no Bidnecan talk to CDC directly during a global pandemic, not admin level, not briefed on intelligence patters more republican :elders are finally breaking their silence, election needs support of 253 only 14 have acknowledged Biden won, McConnel and Graham are stalling with tactic of counting all the legal votes

From Richard Page to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25 AM)

Alternative to Right/Wrong polarization in our nation and ourselves is “both and….”. Cultural anthropologist Angeles Arrien among others taught this. Fifteenth century’s Nicolas of Cusa proposed holding the ‘tension of the opposites’

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25 AM)

@Cate... of course. Greed is a key. But not everyone who benefits from discord is in charge of selling destruction.

From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26 AM)

To me this means that the US is NOT a democracy, sorry.

From Paul Coleman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26 AM)

Maybe they should create an alternative government :)

From Cate Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26 AM)

yeah maybe a common law

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26 AM)

yes, Paul - why “they?

From Mushin Patric Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26 AM)

Lady Liberty Bad Dream.jpg current meme

From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26 AM)

Paul, yes.

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:27 AM)

Families and whole industries and populations benefit from the flow of money generated through fear.

From Paul Coleman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28 AM)

70% is still only fifty or so million people in a land of 300 million.

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:30 AM)

Shelly: counting legal votes have been confirmed by homeland security, legal/illegal votes, lawsuits coming to nothing, specious, small details a few hundreds, into legally when, point is to continue to allow the election results to remain in doubt so with Electoral College, competing electors, stopping states from certifying results, its is working, 70% of Registered Republicans do not believe it was free and fair, district with mail in and ballots tampering, 7 month high of 45% for Mr. t’s approval rating, AG Bill Barr authorized investigation, regulation based on ethics, NOW LOOK AT MESSAGING FROM WHITE HOUSE NOW, continuing to make decisions as if they will remain in power-some promoted as joke, some has real world implications, Sec of State Pompeo said preparing for second Trump administration, Mike pence also said to similar sentiment, audience chanted 4 more years, agreed that’s the plan, for 4 more years, inside OMB, preparing their budget proposal for next year, normally outgoing would not

From Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31 AM)

A strange “Cold War Civil war” in US politics...

From Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31 AM)

It's a scary thought how the cult of Trump has hold of 70 million people, including a database of their contact and donation information. For a somber, in-the-know podcast listen to the latest from someone who knows Mr. Trump, Michael Cohen: ::https://player.fm/series/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen/trumps-foul-stench-pollutes-the-west-wing-november-16-2020::

From Diane Carol Mark to Panelists and Attendees: (11:33 AM)

Guess you didn't see any pics of the weekend events in DC

From Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (11:33 AM)

Comparison with 2016:

From Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (11:33 AM)

2016 Republican Democratic

Nominee Donald Trump Hillary Clinton

Home state New York New York

Running mate Mike Pence Tim Kaine

Electoral vote 304[a 306] 227[a 232] (a= 7 faithless electors)

States carried 30 + ME-02 20 + DC

Popular vote 62,984,828[2] 65,853,514[2]

popular vote % 46.1% 48.2%

2020 Donald Trump Joe BIden

Home state New York New York

Running mate Mike Pence Kamala Harris

electoral 232 306

States carried

popular vote % 47.3% (+1.2%) 50.9% (+2.7% compared to 2016)

2020 (11/6 11am) 69,798,391 73,914,022

2020 (11/16 10am) 73,125,996 78.707,614

2016 62,984,828 65,853,514 (Clinton)

Difference 10,141,168 12,854,100

Trump gained over 10 million more votes than in 2016

Biden gained near 13 million more votes than 2016 Clinton

From Diane Carol Mark to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34 AM)

The Associated Press is "not" the electoral body authorized to "call" an election

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:35 AM)

T: firing disloyalists and replacing with loyalists, 4 in DOD, Sec Mark Esper, Chief of Staff, publicly broke with T over the protests this summer, rumored he would be fired and was right after the election. BG Tata-too controversial to be confirmed regarding islamaphobia-even R’s would not have confirmed, 5,000 people in “Million Maga March” Kaytlin McAneney tweeted a false number of 1,000,000 encouraging the support fro Mr. t is higher than it is THE BIG LIE ABOUT NUMBERS, feels like we have two admins moving forward in their plans for 2021, even if Mr. t says today on twitter Joe Biden has won, the doubt and polarization is increasing around valid elections, Dangerous for Democracy, Timothy Schneider interview tendency is in this, demonize the other side, broken the rules becomes a dangerous justification to do the same, what they do to take bake the election then is OK,

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:35 AM)

If the election is invalid -- so are the laws created by our elected officials. Why obey them?

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:35 AM)

Thats the whole point of projection. Not me - you did it so now I can - very clever human mind…

From Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (11:35 AM)

Agree, the sowing of doubt based on lies is dangerous and makes complicit all who spread the rumor and gossip or remain silent.

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:36 AM)

Shelly: will Mr. t still try to remain in office, electoral college is not close 306-253.

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:37 AM)

On the big picture -- I am going with Biden's reassurance. "We know how to escort trespassers from the White House"

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:37 AM)

the heart is between the left and right arms of a human - AND of the One we are…

From Jude Asphar to Panelists and Attendees: (11:38 AM)

While humanity is threatening its/our own existence — the roots of our individual and collective mental health, and the neurodevelopment that shapes us are too easily ignored.

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:38 AM)

Ken Starr Clinton prosecutor says that states need to consider this option of not certifying their electors with popular vote getting the electors vote, they will try, will set a precedent, not this authoritarian is the most dangerous, must feel with polarization around basic ideas and become more difficult later on, IDEA: This is something they could do.Neurological constructs types of thinking: 1. Mirror neurons, mimic those who surround us, bring in info that agrees with our confirmation bias, contagious, emotional contagion be aware

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:38 AM)

@shannon yes.

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:38 AM)

emotional contagion....sheep

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:39 AM)

SO we have at least two people right here in Humanity rising that appear to agree with what the right is saying - how can WE talk together? what the

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40 AM)

Again Critical thinking along with thorough investigestion is required.

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40 AM)

investigation

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40 AM)

@Jane - I think it is much deeper than that…

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40 AM)

not enough, Jane - must be moderated by the heart.

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40 AM)

We need a strong holistic/integral response - well-organized, intersector. "What is Truth?"

From Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41 AM)

@Bruce…agree…why do we fear and bow to the one dark soul in the room….escorted out he will be…there will be uprisings across the Country nonetheless

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41 AM)

Shelly: Amygdala, if it is an lie, why do people continue to believe the lie? Has to do with processing lies/truth, Humans before engaging in something not being true must first accept the possibility of truth, when we here something that might be true, with critical thinking facts/evidence >>informed decision or defaulting to mental model then amygdala stops sending signal to pay attention to so a narrow path is the only way forward and nothing gets through, amygdala defers to trust of particular sources and not paying attention to clues to truth

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41 AM)

ABSOLUTELY moderated by the heart.

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41 AM)

BMH’s Peace Room is needed INSIDE the US

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41 AM)

The right has created at totally different reality. The issue of free speech and lies - foundational.

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:42 AM)

AND self knowledge and introspection.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:43 AM)

@Shelly - very astute - winning is more important than truth or honesty

From Hilary Van Welter to Panelists and Attendees: (11:43 AM)

As Gabor Mate writes - the political system is traumatized. It won’t be healed with only looking at the head brain. We actually function with a 3 brain network and activating this challenges old brain theory.

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44 AM)

My own guess: the USA system will hold. The underlying institutions are still strong and have not been corrupted. I think the inauguration will proceed on schedule. But yes -- there is a huge amount of noise in the air....

From Jude Asphar to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44 AM)

yes, Hillary— Gabor would be a great panel

From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44 AM)

On 60 Minutes on Sunday, Obama was interviewed. One of his concerns (& my concern also) was that somehow in the U.S. polarized country a lot of people have come to a point where Truth no longer matters. As an African American myself, whose folk died just to get the right to vote, that idea is quite disturbing.

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 AM)

Even with a conservative majority, I think the Supreme Court will throw out the junk, if they even look at it.

From Hilary Van Welter to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 AM)

How To Talk To Strangers by another Canadian Malcolm Gladwell speaks very well as to why we believe lies

From Tiffany Stone to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 AM)

I wish I could remember when the American flag was just a flag—I associate it with being Pro-Trump and conservatives. I was walking around my neighborhood and realized my neighbor felt the same way.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 AM)

@Cuf - yes it is all about winning and the ethics of morality are twisted to make that happen.

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 AM)

@shelly So much to sit with. Thank you for showing up today.

From Jude Asphar to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 AM)

yes, and Malcolm Gladwell too!! for another angle!

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 AM)

Shelly: Noem Chomsky:”Who rules the world” around climate change: “By a 5-3 Americans consider the climate more important that the economy, but is dismissed, task to cure popular opinion and policy has the effect of fixing a dysfunctional political system…gun legislation 90% wish for universal background checks, made will known and feel helpless and can not do anything about in our governance, pay attention to big signals, Mr. t fires Christopher Wray or Gina Haspel of CIA, December 14 electors to electoral college, transition, engage positively with each other in informed conversation, and informed truth, while more climate shocks arrive, we must learn to agree on Truth matters, contests should be fair and acknowledged, continuing authoritarian moves will make a bit of a break, create something new that has become stagnant,

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 AM)

thank you, Shelly. I value your opinions.

From Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 AM)

Thank you so much Shelly.

From Shelly Alcorn to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 AM)

Thank you all

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 AM)

Shelly: What role does disinformation play in your view of what is to come and what might we do about it?

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 AM)

But @cuf -- yes. We need a widespread covenant on "truth in media"

A collective reference point of "truth" -- yes. This would be a huge breakthrough in philosophy --

From Kurt Krueger to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47 AM)

DIALOGUE with the “others” is SUPer important. How is it best to set it up? A FB friend posted a video from the ground or the MILLION MEGA march in Washington DC… :(

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47 AM)

Like Dalai Lama has said the “Truth will prevail”

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47 AM)

For me that discernible truth has to do with what supports LIFE that is why I believe that referencing nature brings back balance.

From 895 837 864 Password FYJ to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47 AM)

and how to preserve it

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:48 AM)

JG: where do we find truth in a world of social dilemma, grounded objective is difficult to find? TED Talks on governance: ::https://www.ted.com/talks?sort=relevance&q=Governance::

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:48 AM)

"Relativism" "I have the right to my own interpretation" "All models of truth are equally valid"

This relativism is garbage.

From Jude Asphar to Panelists and Attendees: (11:48 AM)

Another Canadian, Jordan Peterson too?

From Beth Brownfield to Panelists and Attendees: (11:48 AM)

a sign carried by protesters when Regan visited Ireland in the 80s to get the American Catholic vote “In a world of lies, facts are subversive”

From Kurt Krueger to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49 AM)

This may be helpful… Loving Your Enemies. Well worth the viewing, especially NOW. Whatever party, race, gender…

Tim Shriver: In Conversation with Arthur Brooks, On Loving Your Enemies.
::https://youtu.be/HM3zK9LcQ2o::

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49 AM)

Justice Will Prevail “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.” Gandhi

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50 AM)

Humanity Rising + good network organizing = collective enlightenment engine

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50 AM)

Yes Dehanna, truth will prevail. Dalai Lama ...truth wll prevail Through DEBATE .

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50 AM)

Shelly: democracy only works with agreed upon with truth, discussion around those, and must learn to listen to Xperts, intellectual discourse, truth takes discussion to get to sometimes, in sound-bite world, slogan driven world there is not time for that discussion, listen to academia, statistics, facts, people doing scientific work consensus on climate crashing, enlightenment needed, hyper fast abandonment of dialogue, focus on truth, goodness, beauty, must find a way to do this, or no sustainability of this system

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50 AM)

Maybe the critical mass is being charged up now in order for the tipping point to truth & ascension to prevail

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:51 AM)

“…the way of truth and love have always won.” and civilizations have fallen and fallen and fallen… I’m so not in agreement with Ghandi on that.

From John Hanley to Panelists and Attendees: (11:51 AM)

Measurements, like increasing temperatures around the globe or more people becoming ill and dying from COVID , provide objective facts. What to do about it is another conversation. If we cannot agree on facts. Perhaps facts are a better formulation than truths.

From Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:51 AM)

@Shelly, we do need a new enlightenment and how do we reach out to people who preferred to be lied to by someone who promises to take away their pain rather than to listen to truth? They are not interested in truth.

From Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees: (11:52 AM)

we can be skeptical of all information

From Tiffany Stone to Panelists and Attendees: (11:52 AM)

Critical thinking is a skill that is uncommon, I believe in the USA.

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:52 AM)

Take time and Go within always works for me. Know thyself..

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:52 AM)

@Anne-Marie YES lies over pain - and self forgiveness. This is a dynamic that is very hard to manage.

From Diane Skidmore to Panelists and Attendees: (11:52 AM)

@Shelly - a New Enlightenment, YES. It's about systems. The old system - whichever side one takes - that/the old system has led us to planetary disruption and planetary destruction. It's time for a new system Wasn't/isn't that the purpose of Humanity Rising? To define and help create a whole new system xxx

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:52 AM)

Come on People USE YOUR INTUITION! We KNOW what is truth our bodies viscerally

From Antonia Gentile to Panelists and Attendees: (11:52 AM)

The astrological energies in play, and coming into play, will naturally support the revelation of truth. We will also become more intuitive as humans, so "truth" will be more apparent.

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:52 AM)

Might we find truth by debunking disinformation/misinfo? Distinctions, critical thinking, universal standards like a sword and shield, must discern/space for looking at sets of data ad asking ourselves using scientific method of how, so abdicate for own thinking to outside sources, then we accept what is given, nurses on TWITTER with dying patiences accusing nurses they are lying and dying of COVID because COVID is not real WOW!

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53 AM)

But @Daniel -- be skeptical, yes -- but there is reality and truth and goodness -- and we must learn to tell the difference.

From Aida Merriweather to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53 AM)

is there a basic book on democracy that you recommend that has the clear analysis that you offer for tyranny and authoritarianism

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53 AM)

know...step out of the stress of brain sympathetic overload USE THE SOUL COMPASS!

From Jude Asphar to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53 AM)

Iain McGilchrist’s Divided Brain thesis helps explain a lot

From Mushin Patric Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53 AM)

America has been a part of the big lie Chile, Viet Nam, Irag and Vladimir Posner position regarding Clinton Admin in Europe. Truthing America Moyer conversation with Chris Hedges is the truth of Pine Ridge Reservation ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swgwCDaTPqo:: (10-min)

From Tiffany Stone to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53 AM)

Isn’t denial a strong elixir?

From Paul Coleman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53 AM)

I think the US seriously needs to invest more money in mental health.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53 AM)

I have great compassion for those who are so innocent and who so need someone to believe in and who do not have the ability to discern. It is truly painful to watch.

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:54 AM)

Agree shelly ...Critical thinking certainly needs to be happening

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:54 AM)

Dis/misinfo instead of funneling down into truth, truth gets disseminated broadly to accept so many (CONVENIENT UNTRUTHS)

From Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees: (11:54 AM)

haldol - hahaha

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:54 AM)

JG: How do we reach the other side in a post truth world? Shelly: EMPATHY

From Hilary Van Welter to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 AM)

We have to understand the intergenerational and collective trauma that is currently in the water and soil that is generating the beliefs people have

From Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 AM)

How often the far right bandies "TRUTH" on their banners (including my sister who daily listens to the anti-Semitic TruNews.com yet has a college education.)

From Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 AM)

Therefore….how do we begin to teach critical thinking…and yes, how to reach those who are just not open to change and fixed in their beliefs?

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 AM)

Agree Paulmuch more attention needed on Mental Health.

From Tiffany Stone to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 AM)

@Hilary true

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 AM)

Yep, we need reform from FEAR & let LOVE intercept

From David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 AM)

Hi Majalehn, Isn’t it interesting that we’re all very concerned, though not about the same things. Lots of fear around these days. I take it that you’ve had personal problems with vaccinations or have friends who have. I’m sorry to hear that. A couple of things are certain, many vaccines are highly effective, e.g., polio,mumps, and have improved the lives of many people. And, if people won’t get vaccinated then the disease will increase and spread more. As for the election, what evidence do you have that there was fraud? - David Stoney

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 AM)

Teach them to feed themselves.

From Jude Asphar to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 AM)

Yes, Paul, mental health is so pivotal and more understanding of some of what Shelley referred — our neurological patterns

From Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56 AM)

this is a value of an education

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56 AM)

young souls ARE fearful - they simply don’t know…

From Paul Coleman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56 AM)

I think it was Reagan who did the most damage to the US mental health care system.

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56 AM)

The HEART INTELLIGENCE is swimming in Empathy & Compassion

From Hilary Van Welter to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56 AM)

I don’t think it is as much teaching critical thinking - it is helping to transition the trauma and opening up the inner potential which is the soil of truth

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 AM)

yes, Hilary. I agree

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 AM)

Healing is soooooo important

From Jude Asphar to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 AM)

no metrics for empathy or compassion, love and caring — so it doesn’t count! …and NEEDS to!

From Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 AM)

It’s not a “post truth world” when the actors in the play are denying that the earth goes around the sun?

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 AM)

Average American dies $62,000 in debt, no healthcare, education system is broken, people susceptible to the big lie: economics/values/ FEAR based. (TEDWOMEN just hosted FEARLESS-awsome talks.) potent cocktail to give someone who is really afraid, engage, what they say, current circumstances, empathy place to begin, telling someone who is afraid that they are wrong only causes them to dig in deeper, what are you afraid of, why do you believe this?

From Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 AM)

not empathy - rather curiosity and compassion

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 AM)

There is often a kernel of truth in the most weird belief - that’s the hook that keeps the lie there.

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 AM)

yes Daniel.

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 AM)

Person may be so dug in and will no linger engage, then the worse the situation becomes for all cultures

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 AM)

@Kathryn..the power of Empathy helps young souls to make a shift in understanding.

From Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 AM)

hi Shannon

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58 AM)

hi ;)

From Mushin Patric Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58 AM)

Broken promises in Western civilization swept along drift based in political-economic power is the lie excluding others starting with the 1502 Papal Codex of Privileges creating domination and submission. Everything is politicized based in power of money. Lastly, the current California Silicon Valley Surveillance Capitalism (Zuboff) is the real threat to human democracy.

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58 AM)

@daniel yes

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58 AM)

@JG mine too!

From Hilary Van Welter to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58 AM)

We desperately need ‘centres of discovery’ that work with the intergenerational trauma using the arts, new sciences, ancient and indigenous healing etc etc - transitioning out of talk therapy and pharmaceuticals.

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58 AM)

yes, Hilary…!! yes

From John Hanley to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58 AM)

I recommend Francis Fukuyama's "The Origins of Political Order" to see how political order came to be in China, Russia, France, England, Poland, Spain, etc. and how the relationships between the state, rule of law, and accountable government affects that order.

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58 AM)

grassroots centres

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:59 AM)

@Jane - yes but is that enough to counter the need to believe in an authority that promises safety?

From Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees: (11:59 AM)

I mentor medical professionals to become the healers the world is longing for

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:59 AM)

Holding Space for Healing the Collective Unconscious is where our Creative thought needs precedence

From Diane Skidmore to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

The sound people from the other day teach that immunity (so the 'no need for a vaccine' thing) is covered alongside mental health - lose all fear thing. Some pretty good solutions and ways forward are there - if only we'd all shout them from the rooftops xxx

From Hilary Van Welter to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

@ Daniel - this is wonderful and needs to become part of a movement to integrate with a wide range of artists, scientists and healers - many of whom are children

From Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

It’s rather weird indeed to watch the Evangelicals parading the golden calf through the streets in honor of delusion

From Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

"They" may be most afraid of admitting they have been suckered, having fallen for the lies and deceptions and so easily manipulated.

From Diane Skidmore to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

(Or spread the ideas quietly - with love) xxx

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

Four young souls a strong man promises safety and that trumps (LOL) everything else

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

JGL evangelics intense support for Hitler in Nazis, with few Exceptions, were all in for Hitler until the end, strongest support for Mr. t—many have told me it is a deep fundamentalism and authoritarianism in political Mr. t. violates all behavioral norms, complex of moisture of religious ideology and and political practice, into the realm of the fanatical, religious factor?

From Paul Coleman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

It seems to me that people who need control in their lives, through powerful gods etc, are the most likely to want to control other people's lives.

From Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

the s dialogue today in HR - how do we look at this w a winning mind, story?

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

Diane - hi, love! yes!

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

Yes, there is a repeated pattern of polarization happening now, but we are ALL living on an Evolutionary Spiral & have more tools to correct our mistakes as a species

From Diane Skidmore to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

0 xxx

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

What is it in each of us that is unable or unwilling to see the good that is here now?

From Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

black & white - are personality disorder talk

From Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

"religious factor in authoritarianism" Who can cite research sources?

From Diane Skidmore to Panelists and Attendees: (12:02 PM)

hahaha - oooops - :)) xxx

From John Hanley to Panelists and Attendees: (12:02 PM)

People fear the 'other.' Evangelicals fear the demise of their beliefs and their standards. The prospect of the U.S. being majority non-white and non-Christian terrifies them.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:02 PM)

Yes - my assessments show that too.

From Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (12:02 PM)

parenting style - Lakoff

From Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees: (12:02 PM)

lots of finger pointing

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

@Kathryn yes for young souls the 'strong man' can at first glance 'feel' like a quick fix but perhaps if enough of us engaged with empathy, that would be enough to reduce the fear?

From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

The simplicity and complexity of our human experience boils down to the “power of beliefs”. In my view, beliefs are simply thoughts reinforced by emotion & imagination. What we know is that beliefs structure reality at individual & collective levels. However, beliefs are not Truths.

From Diane Skidmore to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

Solution: so actually, use tapping (long-distance healing for trauma) alongside humming...… Easy xxxxx

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)

Power vs Force...when is the wave of Love going to irradiate the Fear

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)

Shelly: closely related, prefrontal cortex, process info in one way, also social component, if dogmatic, religiously, B & W, good vs evil, righteousness, I know truth you do not, those who declared they were not authoritarian or independent in parenting style that their own unconsious way of looking at the way of the world, GOD is using an imperfect instrument to see his will done, 3 facets of denial: 1. Literal-not allow to believe it is true UNTHINKABLE a president will not resign 2. Interpretive military like collateral damage, euphamisms, 3. Implication going along, can not admit not doing the right thing, boomerang back,

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)

@Leo - an interesting perspective on Authoritarians is available for free from Bob Altemeyer.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)

@Jane - I think that there needs to be a strong relationship that is trusted to help them see things differently, but safety is a strong pull...

From Diane Skidmore to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)

@cuf - yes! So - long-distance thoughts from happy folk, undermining and healing traumatic thoughts of many many others

From Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)

@Stanley thanks

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)

@Jim - yes!

From John Hanley to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

We are giving too little credit to the Problem Solvers Caucus, 25 Republicans and 25 Democrats in the House of Representatives, supported by a citizens organization Nolabels.org who support bipartisanship in the House and Senate to break the gridlock and pass legislation that large majorities of Americans support.

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

JG: Trauma research indicating not able to conduct nuanced thought to manage complexity, Transgenerational trauma THE GREATEST TRAUM IS THE DESTRUCTION OF EARTH LIVING SYSTEMS.

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

TTT - trauma treatment by tapping…

From Jude Asphar to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

this is such a crucial conversation, getting to the roots of our behavior

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

Yep, it’s using the frontal cortex to figure out the path for truth & recovery

From 895 837 864 Password FYJ to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

those in trauma case their frontal cortex effectively..the deeper more primitive structures are active.

can’t not case!,

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

Jim - Trauma sells weapons... people make lots of money promoting fear and trauma.

From Jude Asphar to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

Don Kalsched’s important work on trauma

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)

Q: HOW DO YOU XPLAIN THE NEW REPUBLICAN WOMEN IN THE HOUSE THIS CYCLE JUST ELECTED?

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)

We are full up with pain and are numb. blind spots in consciousness.

From Jude Asphar to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)

good question, Kat about newly elected GOP women

From Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)

@Kat Haber thanks for your note taking

From Anne Baring to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)

I think Riane Eisler's theory of what creates Dominator leaders and societies and the kind of traumatised people (programmed by dominant/controlling fathers in the family) who believe in them is very relevant here.

From Hilary Van Welter to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)

We are learning that Maslow’s hierarchy has to be transformed - it is becoming a myth. We are in a process of a spiral….

From Diane Skidmore to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)

Humanity Rising had a lesson on Tapping for Trauma (there is a Tearless Trauma Technique that could be shared). We could heal the world if we all worked together xxx

From John Hanley to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)

Too much fear in this conversation - and its misplaced. Fear to Faith! We will come out of this stronger as the troublemakers on both sides lose credit.

From Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)

we all are vulnerable to descend

From Hilary Van Welter to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)

Perhaps this is just the Trickster at play to help us transcend

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)

You are talking about the USA in general???

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)

Look at our history.

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)

“just” Hilary?

From Jude Asphar to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)

base on our traumatization of the indigenous peoples of this land — The Doctrine of Discovery and the brutality behind it

From Hilary Van Welter to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

@Shannon - a turn of phrase…

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

oh i know…

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

@Shelly Yes......

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

but illuminating imho

From John Hanley to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

As Freud points out, crowds need leaders that win. Trump's losing delegitimizes his leadership, which is why he cannot admit losing. His support will erode as the evidence overwhelms him, on the election, his sexual predation, tax fraud, etc.

From Paul Coleman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

Competition inc@USA

From Jude Asphar to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

the collective trauma — unconscious — of what we’re doing to this planet — thus to ourselves

From Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

@Hilary…agreed…will we take in the fear to move forward….or can we transcend in another Way

From Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)

So true Shelly🙏

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)

@Kathryn....Empathy=Reduction of Fear=Stronger relationship=recognizing the impact of trauma on us all (impact of trauma including self reflection) And LISTEn to each other,

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)

Isn't promoting violence and hatred a good business plan for those who sell weapons?

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)

Shelly: not capable of nuanced discussion leads to looking for truth may not be able to even process that they are being asked to think and can not really do it, collapsing failed states, pollution that is educated, eating well, sheltered, basic necessities, do not descend like this ten to have the ability to look around and decide basically good, now as failing state of unresolved trauma of USA_cicil war, culture refuses to acknowledge trauma, patriarchal, warlike, football, most of our pursuits in media are violent or element of competition of one over on another, making our ability impossible to process trauma, inability to ackowledg others traumatic roots, military budget top 25 other countries spend on military combines, not an individual, but politically, monolith we are dealing with, do we have the will/ability/desire for real change to get us out of it, obstructionist Senate 2024 will be worse, Mr. t continuing media presences, change militarism, rebel by the bootstraps, hurting all of us fundamentall

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)

It’s called Adolescent Thinking in the States...we need to accept the mental construct of trauma & finally mature sociologically

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)

Nothing will change unless we wake up to this.

From Diane Skidmore to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

So glad to hear you say all this Shelly. What exactly is or was ever great about...…. (not for me to say - apologies!! Been asking this a lot tho)

From John Hanley to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

Would the world be more secure and prosperous with a much smaller U.S. defense budget? Is this a truth, a fact, or a belief of those who have not studied and thought critically about the subject?

From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

Interestingly, I went for a Sunday drive with a lady friend in my small bubble & ended up in a town where we saw Trump signs. We both looked at the surroundings & the people & we both almost simultaneously blurted out “this is a poor white community”. My lady friend is a Jewish woman.

From Tiffany Stone to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

Where can I move to where people are educated, well fed and have good health care?

From Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

Thomas Hubl started a 4-Month Immersive Course on the Theory, Methods, & Applications of Working with Collective Trauma yesterday and his new book comes out tomorrow, I believe.

From Anne Baring to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

The pursuit of power as Shelley has described it is a compensation to this underlying and unacknowledged trauma.

From Mushin Patric Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

I recommend “The Origin of Humanness in the Biology of Love” by Humberto Maturana and Gerda Verden-Zoller edited by Pille Bunnell. Also comments of Matriztica Institute in Chile on UN Earth Charter ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtEgtmo42Ls&list=PL6D0DC2BCE841549B:: offering the act of seeing and conducting oneself in a way that the other will emerge without denial, without being distorted by us as observers. We see what we see together and that requires a unitary epistemology. Scott Kelso’s Metastabilian CD-TSS is hard wired agency of an inclusive middle constituting the web of life. The Metastabiian Movement 2020.08.13 (5-pages)embraces the Tao and Western Patriarchy has a lot to learn form the East. ::https://1drv.ms/w/s!AuH1jbUiyrlQghyCOXXih6zFle_z::

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

@Jane - yes those are all preventative, much harder as a repair/healing agenda…

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:13 PM)

Let us BE the "Balm of Gilead"

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:13 PM)

JG: anguish truth is barely discernible, politics being hijacked, given ethos of humanity rising being a bridge over troubled waters, What do we do?

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

Shelly: focus on our neighbors, local politics, school, pay attention to what is happening, Xample, community garden, do things that seem small with huge ripple affects

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

Agree Kathryn but surely we must do it all anyway?

From Paul Coleman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

If everyone of us actively engaged in doing something to make the world a better place, then the world would b a better place. there is no need to be down, there is only a need to act.

From Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

"small is beautiful"

From Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

Thomas’ new book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Healing Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

We need more Love for All of our Communities

From Diane Skidmore to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

@Shelly Yes. Small things done by many people. Every one of us xxx

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

ordinary people… I love ordinary people…

From Laura Madsen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

Yes Shelly.

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

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From ana tamara to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

We are the solution, finding our humanity is key to reconneting as such, thus ending polarization and finding the common good

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

Shelly: Gandolph from Lord of the Rings: everyone always thinks its up to a leader, but It’s up to everyday little acts to improve our local communities are better so social structure does not break down (CITIES?)

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

make a mess clean it up step by step .be kind

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

@Dehanna - YES

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

Shelly - Helpfulness brings people into focus!

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

But we are also working on a holistic revolution -- and we should not lose sight of that. "Without vision, the people perish" -- local AND global thinking, please

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

@Jane - YES!

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

be kind… be helpful… listen to know how…

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

ORDINARY FOLK ROCK!

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

However small your efforts are, it all helps. that gives us HOPE.

From Paul Coleman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

It is not what others do that is important, it is what you do that is important.

From Diane Skidmore to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

hahaha - ANARCHY!!! yaaaay (ooops hahaha)

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

yes

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

WE NEED URGENT EARTHCARE.

From Anne Baring to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

Jung said that the world hangs on a single thread and that thread is the psyche of the individual.

From ana tamara to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

need to spend more time sharing solutions

From John Hanley to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

Concur with local communities. However, so many 'local' communities are virtual these days, particularly during the pandemic. Reach out to your friends and your community, and encourage them to join efforts to make big change like nolabels.org

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

a révolution of beauty

From David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

@Anne Baring, yes, and the trauma payment comes due in spades at this time in our evolutionary path… David Stoney

From Diane Skidmore to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

@sharon Brilliant!!!

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

Well said Anne.

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

Realist does.

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

It's being done everywhere. We just want to see more.

From Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

YES.WE.CAN

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)

ok, so i am an optimist-- there is a lot we can do

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)

Show our intrinsic Beauty as Human Beings...LOVE LOVE ❤️

From Marilyn Hamilton to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)

optimist believes you can do something about it - YES

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)

Work in your neighborhoods - participate in your city government - run for office!

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)

Yes Bruce.

From Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)

www.communitydialogue.org

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)

What about Dr. Atlas saying the only way to get through this is to rise up?

From Diane Skidmore to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)

LOVE LOVE LOVE indeed

From Shelly Alcorn to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

Its all about love

From Aida Merriweather to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

it’s like that song from Frozen II;

From Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

I think uncle Donald needs to be “walked out” of the White House

From Anne Baring to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

Thank you so much Shelley for your insight and wisdom today.

From Jude Asphar to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

an important integral perspective today, Shelley —

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

yes, Shelly… thank you so much for you

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

@Jim yes so perfect @Shelly thank you for the real word of the day.

From Aida Merriweather to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

‘Do the Next Right Thing”

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

Thanks Again Shelly...your presentation always informs and leads to great debate.

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

Thanks Shelly you’re a Gem!

From Aida Merriweather to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

song from Frozen II

From Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

www.SFCM.org. Community Dialogue Design Manual

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

Go forth and multiply the consciousness

From Laura Madsen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

Sobering is good. It brings our feet to the ground.

From Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

@Aida!!

From Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

Thanks Jim for your Beautiful Brain!

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

Will Mr. t disappear into Mar - A- Lago for Xmas and never return?

From Marilyn Hamilton to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

Shelly Walter Konkrite Alcorn - thanks for the information, facts and wisdom

From Tiffany Stone to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

yes, doing what we should be doing locally and what we have control over is empowering.

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

Come talk at “The Press Conference” on Thursday!!

From Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

www.sfcg.org

From Tiffany Stone to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

@Kat I pray

From ana tamara to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

Let's practice blessings as a healing path to a new space

From Marilyn Hamilton to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

@Tiffany - me too

From Mushin Patric Roberts to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

Doksha from Pine Ridge ~ Into the Sun by Peter Gabriel ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmeQKtBPShk::

From Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

@Kat Harbor….it is not far enough

From Tiffany Stone to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

Thank you Shelly @Peg lol

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

beauty will inspire and lift us higher…

From Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

Take a look at ::http://origin.org/ontology/index.cfm::

on integral ontology -- a lot of new stuff there

From Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

  • Haber :-)

From Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

"the rose that will bloom again in spring..".

From Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

Thank you Jim, what a beautiful image 🌹

From Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

Hear Hear! Thank you Jim.

From Tiffany Stone to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

Thanks Kat

From Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

W have little time to be reactive to each other. We no longer can indulge ourselves in irresponsibility? Remembering the rose adorned, glistening with raindrops, we feel love/beuaty/truth…whatever unfolds all is one and in the end, all will be revealed and all serves the alter of beauty.

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

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Dear Chat PEOPLE and panelists
Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting after this session closes. 
You can join the Zoom Meeting
::https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09
Meeting:: ID: 810 4561 3451
Passcode: 919541

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