2024-07-02 Jamen's Climate meeting Leena Aaron & others
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14:07:08 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
hello
14:14:45 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Aaron, you’re the programmer if I remember correctly? Hi anyway 🙂
14:15:06 From Aaron Gray to Everyone:
Yes, Hi !
14:15:18 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
👍
14:15:58 From Aaron Gray to Everyone:
👍
14:17:49 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
Other Networks
::https://othernetworks.org/Main_Page::
14:19:19 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Hm, my take is the Offended person was probably (auto) muted, and then Offended when some of us “talked over” her inaudible muted voice…
14:20:38 From ROBERT (HIM/HE) FROM UGANDA to Everyone:
14:21:47 From ROBERT (HIM/HE) FROM UGANDA to Everyone:
email robertmwesigye1990@gmail.com
14:30:39 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
Climate Healers
::https://othernetworks.org/Climate_Healers::
14:31:10 From Rebecca Allen to Everyone:
http://www.climatehealers.org/V-COP
14:34:05 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
::https://x.com/extinctionati::
14:35:13 From Rebecca Allen to Everyone:
excellent idea
14:37:21 From Stanley Pokras to Aaron Gray(direct message):
We need to talk. I might have ideas to share…
14:40:32 From Jacquie Mackenzie, Ecuador (she/her) to Everyone:
The landowner here in SE. Ecuador, S.A. is a climate denier. We spent two+ years 1994-1997 traveling the USA to find an intentional community to join and learn more about alternative eco-building, “Too Old” they all said, so our nonprofit bought 1,227 acres of desert land where we taught alternative building that was eco-sustainable 1997 to 2008 before moving to Central Mexico. ::https://www.facebook.com/jacquelinezmackenzie::
14:40:56 From Aaron Gray to Stanley Pokras(direct message):
Replying to "We need to talk. I m..."
okay
14:41:04 From Jacquie Mackenzie, Ecuador (she/her) to Everyone:
::https://www.facebook.com/jacquelinezmackenzie::
14:41:17 From Aaron Gray to Stanley Pokras(direct message):
Replying to "We need to talk. I m..."
You got the OWL email ?
14:42:03 From Aaron Gray to Everyone:
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14:48:29 From Mark McCormack to Everyone:
If you’d like to stay in touch. I Would love to know the climate psychiatry founders:
http://linkedin.com/in/mmccormack23
mjm11@ualberta.ca
14:49:38 From Aaron Gray to Everyone:
Hi Leena you made it 🙂
14:50:06 From Aaron Gray to Everyone:
Replying to "If you’d like to sta..."
Yes I am interested too !
14:53:22 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
Marco… it’s sad but climate is not the only “I can’t do anything about that” topic. War is another one. Sustainable economics is another…
14:55:20 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
Replying to "Marco… it’s sad but ..."
Yes Stan you are sadly very correct!
14:56:18 From Rebecca Allen to Everyone:
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14:56:32 From Karolina Grunberg to Everyone:
Geo-sculpting Geo-regeneration Geo-rememberance
14:56:49 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
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14:59:18 From Christopher Dennis to Everyone:
Hey Michael - I'd be interested in the work you mentioned! My email is chrisrdennis@gmail.com..
15:10:48 From Karolina Grunberg to Everyone:
We are both the spider or the fly in the web of the meta crisis.
15:11:01 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
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15:12:02 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
I’m talking with people about an operating manual for spaceship MOTHER earth — written by women
15:12:36 From Karolina Grunberg to Everyone:
::https://networkologies.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/networkphilbackuparchive.pdf::
15:12:39 From Karolina Grunberg to Everyone:
!
15:13:31 From Karolina Grunberg to Everyone:
We need to ask what is the self observing the crisis…
15:14:19 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Dan Miller is a YT climate Czar!
15:15:05 From Jacquie Mackenzie, Ecuador (she/her) to Everyone:
The landowner here in SE. Ecuador, S.A. is a climate denier. We spent two+ years 1994-1997 traveling the USA to find an intentional community to join and learn more about alternative eco-building, “Too Old” they all said, so our nonprofit bought 1,227 acres of desert land where we taught alternative building that was eco-sustainable 1997 to 2008 before moving to Central Mexico. ::https://www.facebook.com/jacquelinezmackenzie::. Email........drjacquiemackenzie@gmail.com
15:16:07 From ROBERT (HIM/HE) FROM UGANDA to Stanley Pokras(direct message):
Am happy to meet you , Have liked your introduction and wish to discuss with you and see if your nonprofit can partner with Rejoice Africa Foundation (www.rafug.org) kindly lets connect on the email robertmwesigye1990@gmail.com or info@rafug.org
15:16:07 From Christopher Dennis to Everyone:
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15:22:06 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
The “Language of Life”. We need a set of ideas, words that help us to identify our tribe… One document useful for this is the Pluriverse A Post-Development Dictionary (pdf) This link will download the whole book. https://othernetworks.org/Pluriverse_%E2%80%93_The_Dictionary
15:22:35 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Replying to "The “Language of Lif..."
How big is the “whole book”?
15:23:25 From ROBERT (HIM/HE) FROM UGANDA to Everyone:
email robertmwesigye1990@gmail.com
15:26:08 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
Replying to "The “Language of Lif..."
About 340 pages
15:27:43 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead
15:28:38 From Karolina Grunberg to Everyone:
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15:28:57 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
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15:32:21 From Susan to Everyone:
I have to run, have a 12:30 mtg.
But thank you Jamen, Marco and all for a wonderful discussion! Happy 4th! 🎆
15:32:38 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
Reacted to "bye now Susan" with ❤️
15:36:13 From Christopher Dennis to Everyone:
Reacted to bye now Susan with "❤️"
15:37:31 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
I delete it, Jamen
15:40:18 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Sorry for saying you looked good, Leena. Jamen alerted me to the dangers of saying such things about other humans.
15:40:27 From Karolina Grunberg to Everyone:
What is the collective dream? Dreams speak beyond language.
15:40:59 From Karolina Grunberg to Everyone:
And our selves!!! Homo-ahimsa!!! 🙂
15:41:57 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Thank you so much for this forum. Please forgive me — I can’t stay. I have Humanity Rising and AfterChat (Jim’s Nuggets) work to do — come check it out here: ::https://sonlightsparklingonthewaters.weebly.com/jims-nuggets::
15:42:18 From Karolina Grunberg to Everyone:
Replying to "Sorry for saying you..."
Huh? I think it’s just a matter of keeping the conversation to the topic.
15:44:13 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
I agree with Leena, for what it’s worth, about taking our time, and making sure we ask the right questions.
15:44:42 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
God knows our species has been able to screw up before.
15:44:52 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
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15:45:27 From LeenaOceans to Everyone:
100 percent. Can we speak as vessels?
15:45:41 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
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15:46:02 From LeenaOceans to Everyone:
Can we all connect so deeply that all life becomes fluid within our own hearts and all that flows off of our tongues is poetry.
15:46:22 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
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15:46:32 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
non-injury
According to Kaneda, the term Ahimsa is an important spiritual doctrine shared by Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. It means 'non-injury' and 'non-killing'. It implies the total avoidance of harming any living creature by deeds, words, and thoughts.
15:46:45 From Jamie Gilchrist to Everyone:
I need to get to the Pharmacy. thank you all.
15:47:21 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Replying to "Can we all connect s..."
That’s what I’m trying as I attempt to speak for the 99.99% other life forms
15:47:21 From LeenaOceans to Everyone:
The earth speaks in symbol and metaphor. Only visionaries and artists will truly hear her calling. The ovservers healers and creators. We are here to spread the message for others to do the work. We are all connected.
15:47:50 From Stanley Pokras to Aaron Gray(direct message):
Stan@othernetworks.org 267-968-0407
15:48:07 From Aaron Gray to Stanley Pokras(direct message):
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15:48:11 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
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15:48:14 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
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15:48:34 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
Homo Ahimsa: Who We Really Are And How We're Going to Save The World
::https://www.amazon.com/Homo-Ahimsa-Really-Going-World/dp/0578703017::
15:49:29 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
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15:49:51 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
natural language processing
15:50:24 From Jamen Shively to Everyone:
Replying to "I delete it, Jamen"
Thanks
15:50:34 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
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15:55:02 From Jacquie Mackenzie, Ecuador (she/her) to Everyone:
Aaron is EXACTLY right! We have five fingers, each one represents one of our five senses, if one is weak and another is strong the result is you must reach out strongly and evenly in five ways to be sure to reach each person. I was in school for years to be awarded a Ph.D. in Special Education, Bilingual Education, and Language, Reading and Culture to get that insight. Yes collective Human Intelligence.
15:56:38 From ROBERT (HIM/HE) FROM UGANDA to Everyone:
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15:57:35 From Aaron Gray to Everyone:
Replying to "Aaron is EXACTLY rig..."
Goes back to the thumb being Venus, Index - Jupiter, middle finger Saturn, ring finger Sun, little finger Mercury the old attributions
16:01:07 From Jacquie Mackenzie, Ecuador (she/her) to Everyone:
Rev. Michael Dowd = ::https://postdoom.com/::
16:09:38 From John Hogue to Everyone:
Hi James, I can’t open the mike or video.
16:10:23 From John Hogue to Everyone:
I’m clicking the lines not working.
16:13:40 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Earth speaks on the FM frequency, not DAB…
16:17:00 From Leena Oceans to Everyone:
::https://www.chapman.edu/scst/conferences-and-events/grothendieck-files/marquis-slides.pdf::
16:20:44 From Leena Oceans to Everyone:
It can’t
16:21:24 From Christopher Dennis to Everyone:
@Aaron Gray - thanks for sharing on this- can you repeat how you related this to the ecocrisis?
16:24:14 From Aaron Gray to Everyone:
Replying to "@Aaron Gray - thanks..."
In reaction to Mark McCormacks meta language and cultural ‘babels tower’.
16:24:33 From Aaron Gray to Everyone:
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16:28:31 From Leena Oceans to Everyone:
What is the self that sees the self…
16:30:03 From Leena Oceans to Everyone:
That is death.
16:30:05 From Leena Oceans to Everyone:
?
16:30:44 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Sunburns.. When they’re your biggest problem, you are in a good place.
16:31:35 From Leena Oceans to Everyone:
There is a fine line between proof and manipulation..
16:32:35 From Mark McCormack to Everyone:
Mjm11@ualberta.ca
16:37:23 From Mark McCormack to Everyone:
Universal Logic: Logic That Logically Proves Itself
::https://sites.google.com/view/world-logic-day-alberta/previous-wlds?authuser=0::
Metaphysics, Physics, Ethics
::https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-qomGgkeuem8y4rN5MncvwnIXyk4S5m3EXrwJsjbJts/edit::
The Nobel Surprize
::https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YKRQf_05HgPvffaaeIp4YB24SJ9irwptsoXFWdEvTK8/edit?usp=drive_link::
::https://youtu.be/cKEtPIryrNY::
16:39:21 From Leena Oceans to Everyone:
Contemplation meditation and prayer.
16:39:33 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Greenland interestingly is in the Global South
16:42:02 From Aaron Gray to Everyone:
Replying to "Greenland interestin..."
Do you know Jason Box a climate scientist both on the ground instrumentation wise and also in computer modelling. He has a YouTube Channel under his own name. Also there’s some good interviews with him by others on YT too. But be prepared for the difficult reality he presents.
16:43:50 From Leena Oceans to Everyone:
Sorry my roommate was listening in to the wise one…
17:06:46 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Replying to "Greenland interestin..."
Yup, we’re ‘friends’ of sorts on the socials
17:10:46 From Aaron Gray to Everyone:
17:13:21 From Aaron Gray to Everyone:
We acnnot scale carbon subsequation in time.
17:15:01 From Aaron Gray to Everyone:
Can we have a ‘printed’ timetable
17:17:38 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Avocado Time
17:18:08 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Jason Box is an amazing guy, one of my top fav American guys
17:43:17 From Jacquie Mackenzie, Ecuador (she/her) to Everyone:
My caregiver duties call me. Love to each of you for being willing to devote your bodies, minds and spirits to this group.
17:49:43 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
The place that isn’t
17:54:25 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
+ Social Sciences: What is Climate Colonialism? etc
17:55:11 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
What is research extractionism? (for instance rare earth minerals in the Global South, like here in Greenland)
17:56:11 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
And Ecology: Fx are we All just One family of Life? Or can we ignore the Other?
18:10:02 From Christopher Dennis to Everyone:
Kind of a cool effect for Aaron's mic - sounds like the bounty hunter from Star Wars
18:10:22 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
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18:11:43 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Dane Wiggington knows a lot about this
18:13:58 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Or, it may also be a very clever way of hiding actual programs…
18:14:24 From Jamie Gilchrist to Everyone:
Hi guys.
18:15:25 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
I think veganism should be legalised
18:16:40 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Will French Fries be banned again? 😅
18:22:13 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
I modelled (or calculated) this year’s loss of ice on Greenland will be 12 cm thickness all over (on average)
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18:22:44 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
In Antarctica the corresponding number is less than 1 cm.
18:22:54 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
In fact less than 1/2 a cm.
18:32:49 From James Desmond. to Everyone:
I'm going to have to sign off, only fit for bed. Great conversation all. 👋 Good night and God Bless. 💚
18:33:50 From Karolina Grunberg to Everyone:
Not for them selves but the quest o know self…
18:35:35 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Industrial Civilisation? Don’t work..
18:40:38 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Stan has a very important point: Most of us can’t be in a general plenum meeting for 4-5 hours, and our time with the project might be better spent in more specialised subgroups…
18:41:38 From Karolina Grunberg to Everyone:
Sorry I ate on camera… hah.
18:42:02 From Jamen Shively to Everyone:
Eating on camera is welcome, as long as you’re not eating animals
18:43:25 From Aaron Gray to Everyone:
Stan, I emailed you on Sunday IIRC
18:44:10 From Karolina Grunberg to Everyone:
Vegan homemade coconut fudge… wish I could share. If I had a car id runs one up to you guys. Hah.
18:44:19 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Replying to "Sorry I ate on camer..."
I’d comment here, but Jamen would knock me down again 🤣
18:46:53 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
Stan@othernetworks.org 267-968-0407
18:47:29 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Gotcha, Stan!
18:48:23 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
I’m at xrgreenland@gmail.com
18:50:10 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
Category:Issue-Climate
::https://othernetworks.org/Category:Issue-Climate::
18:51:52 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Stan, does your Other Networks also have stuff on things like Wind Power Resistance, dimming from airplanes etc?
18:52:45 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Asking because of suggested wind turbines on pristine wilderness here in Greenland
18:57:54 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone:
I’ll keep this group on my calendar, so thank you for your encouragement. I’ll see you again next week.
18:58:15 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Everyone:
Bye Stanley
19:00:05 From Stanley Pokras to Extinctionati Deeppost(direct message):
Let’s talk while on othernetworks via Zoom and we can find what might be there for you. 267-968-0407
19:00:46 From Extinctionati Deeppost to Stanley Pokras(direct message):
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19:01:47 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone:
Stan@othernetworks.org 267-968-0407
19:01:54 From Karolina Grunberg to Stanley Pokras(direct message):
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19:02:04 From Mark McCormack to Everyone:
I texted you stan