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Humanity Rising Day 129 Chat Page
- Date: Monday November 2, 2020 (2020-11-02)
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From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:01 AM) Good Morning From: the sunny woods of North Carolina
From: Sharon Truax (11:02 AM) Good Monday to all From: Seattle on a glorious fall day.
From: Diane Sue (11:02 AM) Good morning everyone.
From: Barbro Esbjörnsdotter (11:02 AM) Good late afternoon From: Sweden.
From: Sabinije von Gaffke (11:03 AM) Welcome everyone to today’s session!
From: Shelly Alcorn (11:03 AM) Welcome everyone
From: Ian Wight (11:03 AM) Good afternoon From: Edinburgh Scotland
From: Diane Sue (11:03 AM) @Sharon Traux Just in case you are interested in joining us, our Pacific Northwest Humanity Rising group is meeting tomorrow at 2 pm.
From: Shannon McArthur (11:04 AM) Good morning beautiful people… bless you all and may the balancing be gentle to you. Please include attendees in your chat offerings! Good morning Sabinije!!
From: Sharon Truax (11:05 AM) @Diane I would love to join, however I will be at work. Rain check?
From: AM)Y A BLUMENSHINE (11:05 AM) Good calls to good around the globe! From: Minneapolis
From: Me to Panelists: (11:05 AM) . ..oOo.. ========================== Dear Chat PEOPLE and panelists Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting after this session closes. You can join the Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09 Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451 Passcode: 919541 . ..oOo.. ========================== . We have an email list for Chat People to interact without being on at the sAM)e time. We also send a daily message to the list that points to all of the HR Chats since mid July. Write to be added to the list: -- stan@communitymagic.org ==========================
From: Me (11:05 AM) . ..oOo.. ========================== Dear Chat PEOPLE and panelists Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting after this session closes. You can join the Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09 Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451 Passcode: 919541 . ..oOo.. ========================== . We have an email list for Chat People to interact without being on at the sAM)e time. We also send a daily message to the list that points to all of the HR Chats since mid July. Write to be added to the list: -- stan@communitymagic.org ==========================
From: Shannon McArthur (11:06 AM) @Diane Sue, really? PNW is MY land - we gotta talk!
From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (11:06 AM) @Ian - so nice to you here - greetings From: Findhorn Scotland
From: Sharon Truax (11:06 AM) @Sabinije Thank you! Stay in the light.
From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (11:07 AM) @Shelly great to see you here too :- From: Shelly Alcorn (11:07 AM) @marilyn - hello!
From: AM)Y A BLUMENSHINE (11:08 AM) What is that Fuller question? How do we make the world work for 100% of the people 100% of the time ……
From: Jen Forti (11:08 AM) Blessings From: Portland, OR <3
From: Shannon McArthur (11:09 AM) hi Jen!
From: Diane Sue (11:09 AM) @Sabinije it is so important that we keep our vision of a transformed future front and center... @Shannon....I'd be happy to connect via email
From: Sharon Truax (11:10 AM) Beautiful! so powerful where two or more are gathered.
From: AM)Y A BLUMENSHINE (11:10 AM) Our stand is the good, the true, and the beautiful!
From: Shannon McArthur (11:11 AM) Diane Sue, do you have my email? If not, come to the After HR Chat so I can give it to you…
From: Kat Haber (11:11 AM) For us each to stand with you! Soon may we be singing and dancing and shouting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CjH7hOuq_Q
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:12 AM) Thank you for taking a stand! It is so important.
From: david Beatty (11:12 AM) U.S> is facing Ground Nero.
From: Kat Haber (11:13 AM) Many of our norms and institutions have been hollowed out. Just today the NOAA chief scientist for integrity was let go. https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2020/10/noaa-chief-scientist-booted-for-asking-a-trump-appointee-to-respect-scientific-integrity/
From: AM)Y A BLUMENSHINE (11:13 AM) @david Well said!
From: Sharon Truax (11:13 AM) Welcome Shelley! It is so good to be here @jim What a line up! Best of the Best.
From: Kat Haber (11:14 AM) Exxon reported a loss of $680 million in the third quarter of this year, bringing its losses for 2020 as a whole up to $2.37 billion.
From: AM)Y A BLUMENSHINE (11:15 AM) They had world record profits after the US invasion of Iraq.
From: Kat Haber (11:15 AM) Exxon and Mobil combined had 390,000 employees in 1980. By 2017, that number had shrunk to less than 70,000.
From: Sharon Truax (11:15 AM) What a gift you all are.
From: Kat Haber (11:15 AM) 2nd Afghanistani attack in 10 days.
From: Shannon McArthur (11:15 AM) All is happening as designed outside of time. Let this flow past us as we hold to the foundations of Time… just my POV. Do what you choose (I’m Canadian; a bit removed From: the US crisis). The Makers of this place (Sun, Moon and Earth) will endure, as will our souls. All this is lessons in the classroom/womb we play in together. Wellcome Shelly.
From: Jen Forti (11:16 AM) Hi Shelly! So glad to see you
From: Sabinije von Gaffke (11:17 AM) @AM)Y the Fuller question I quoted was: “How do we make the world work for 100% of humanity in the shortest possible time through spontaneous cooperation without ecological dAM)age or disadvantage to anyone?”
From: Kat Haber (11:17 AM) Shelly: Process, historical precedent, hints, fluid, no outcome yet determinative, “What will be what will be” rather than “It is what it is!”
From: Shannon McArthur (11:18 AM) G’mornin’ Kat!! Glad you’re here!
From: AM)Y A BLUMENSHINE (11:18 AM) @Sabinije Thanks!
From: Kat Haber (11:20 AM) Shelly: USA Presidential elections: popular vote, electoral college. Popular often determines who the president might be as does the electoral college, Historial precedent, a candidate can lose both and still retain power in the USA! Van Jones TED Talk: never counted all of the ballots by the end of the night-votes counted/outstanding/math modeling called by media, do not know who president is on that night, looks like going one way, opposing candidate cedes the election, (Gore V Bush From: Kat Haber (11:25 AM) Shelly: Gore conceded and then unconceded and conceded again, Mr. t will not give a concession speech, will not happen on November 3, if there is a landslide for Democratic candidates does not ensure that Mr. t will concede, better positions us for our institutions to call the election and make the process work, does not always work, 1887 account act elections in USA, post civil war contentious systemic racism-long, bloody history, culminated in CIVIL WAR now have BLM and human equality/dignitiy in assault, Rutherford B. Hayes and Des Tilden-switched positions then R/D in 1800’s TILDEN Won popular vote by using parAM)ilitary to suppress the vote, intimidation at the poles, Electoral college, 184 (Need 270 to win today) Hayes had 175, statesFL/SC/ORegon/Louisiana disputed the results sent two delegations to electoral college each swearing separate candidates won, thrown to Congress what to do, Electoral Count Act, compromise of 1877, Dems conceded in Xchange for withdrawal of troops From: the South, Hayes won
From: Kat Haber (11:28 AM) Shelly: parallels historically: Key is refusal to conceded, lawsuits to stop the counts, lawyers are challenging votes now (127,000 in TEXAS already) refuse to certify results, send rival electors to the electoral college, if in House, then Supreme Court might not rule on it, if in Congress (Nancy Pelosi is a strong female Des leader) comes down to delegation, 1 vote per state, now R’s outnumber D’s
From: david Beatty (11:32 AM) LAM)e Brain Duck Lock
From: Kat Haber (11:32 AM) Shelly: false confidence if not called on November 3, settle later, may not be settled until the end of December, WE are about to run a marathin(those of us working on cAM)paigns have been in a 4 year marathon) November 4 election, November 4 counting of mail in ballots, different dates, differnet states: California-November 20, Some already counting: Florida, most do not (Alaska is November 10) all will be challenge, December 8 dispute date to resolve what is the result, slate meet on December 14, in states and formally vote, January 3 Congress Convenes, January 6 votes counted officially in Congress, Inauguration is January 20, Between now reign of one monarch and the next interregnum-lAM)e duck session (Nov 3-Jan 6) <r. t still has powers of presidency and senators still support his ideas PAY ATTENTION! many shenanigans for consolidating power. Mr. t. wants to fire Dr. Fauci during our pandemic, many other firings are on the way,
From: Sharon Truax (11:32 AM) @Shelly, So interesting. What a messy process..
From: Kat Haber (11:34 AM) 2 Types of coups: Hard-sudden violent illegal seizure of government-guns, fighting, violence #2 sAM)e end result done with participation of legislators/institutions to steal power Coup d’etats shorter than successful if s=ciezed and held for 7 days-not much time, global pandemic, middle of soft coup d’etats landslide is only a bit of a chance-2 things:(
From: Beth Brownfield (11:35 AM) @ Kat, love to have you here to capture so much we can refer to later! Thank you
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:36 AM) Thank you so much for the clarity Shelly. It is important to know the history, law and norms. Will pass on.
From: Kat Haber (11:40 AM) Process November 3-January 6, anchor on a conceptual frAM)ework, beyond chaos of Twitter, 5 steps telegraphed buckets: Soft coup d’etats #1 delegitimized the vote, started in 2016, got worse in pandemic, increase marlin voting, not new, verified one vote-NO FRAUD!!! XAM)ple: Supreme Court already ruling do not pay attention to small wins, AM)y Coney BArrett did not yet rule-not states they cared about, make it look balanced/fair, electoral college does not matter only states that matter most could be 25 votes of 535 votes, TEXAS allowed for absentee drive by drop off (127,000 ballots at stake as uncountable even though elections board approved a rule now a day after they have sued, Supreme Court allowed) now going to Federal Court (XHAUSTING) partisan judge on the bench R v Democratic area we’ll know soon, may go to Supreme Court, now asking to segregate ballots for which count and which do not (ALL VOTES SHOULD BE COUNTED) Texas, Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania most likely disputed, high hate vote
From: Kat Haber (11:44 AM) HAppene with Hillary and voted silently for Mr. t. not fighting in California only if big, only in these battleground states, #2 deterrence across the vote through bullying, protest march North Carolina pepper sprayed voters to scare voters away, Trump train twice now (200 ALASKA cars flew flags and paraded) Now a black and blue and white flag with a stripe through it for Law and Order supporters, pay attention to symbology (me too!) separate iconography/branding important, Biden/HArris staff bus was harassed Trump train surrounded and slowed it down to where an event had to be cancelled, unsafe
From: Kat Haber (11:44 AM) https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/31/biden-trump-texas-bus/
From: Kat Haber (11:45 AM) Trump train shut down a bridge in New York Not being done for social justice/climate/comparing to what happened with bridge getting shut down power to intimidate and disrupt (New Zealand has asked its citizens in USA to return home or go to their embassies From: Kat Haber (11:46 AM) Suppressing the vote: Texas only has one location per county to drop off ballots, TEXAS election board did open up 24 hour early voting, upheld by courts,
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:48 AM) Trump always tell us what he is going to do at his rallies
From: Kat Haber (11:52 AM)
- 3 send in legal challenges if he is not declared president Nov 3 #4 arm twisting electors, bribing, state legislators not certifying their own votes due to fraud even though popular vote went other way #5 call for political violence not suggestions outright stand back and standby, International crisis report watched political instability, issued report on USA 30 page report unfAM)iliar danger in coming days, our citizens already scared/angry/armed law enforcement agencies are prepared, California Highway patrol 12 hour shifts back to back to be deployed, LA domestic disturbance, NYPD, city businesses boarded up, in major cities, not used to this and how we are supposed to react Armed Conflict report targeted states post election, PA, GA, WI, OR unmarked trump troops, NC< TX, VA< CA, NM moderate risk, researching about where/when deployed, 9 major militia groups: 1700’s idea to protect now domestic terrorists-Proud Boys, lightfoot Militia, AM), contingency, Boogaloo Boys, (Others please add if you caught them
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:53 AM) All groups you mentioned are on the Right…no surprise so all citizens pay for it
From: Jane Norton (11:55 AM) they are erecting an unscalable fence around the White House so he moved the event to protect himself
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:56 AM) We need federal employees to be able to speak truth to power
From: Kat Haber (11:56 AM) During COVID recovery used White House as a back drop not supposed to use for political events-t first eve number of occasions, rescheduled post election to be at White House, passing up opportunity to profit to move the party to the White House he actually said he’ll go back and forth between both, told staff to clear calendar for continued rallies go to where vote is close, to deploy resources will be on the road, new exec order, revAM)ps hiring/firing of gov employees, protected From: changes unpolitical party for their professional positions, jobs now at risk, clearing house, goes to where next president who does not share his political beliefs to easily fire them
From: Natalie Crue (11:57 AM) I also think it is important to acknowledge how leftist groups are also engaging on problematic actions ie Democracy Now engaging in the erasure of third party candidates and silencing dissent on the left including erasing the role of ranked-choice voting From: coverage and Lisa Savage's independent Green run From: Maine's Senate race.
From: Kat Haber (11:58 AM) constructing unscalable fence around the White House due to expected protests, barricading himself in, coop White House Visuals, sending in the lawyers, closest was 2000, ROger Stone-pardened by Mr. t, was behind the people in Florida to stop the vote in 2000 have practice at this, CURRENT REALITY!!! Process!! Tactics! Alaska is voting on rank choice voting also Measure 2
From: Natalie Crue (11:58 AM) Tons of non profits and organizations are getting pay checks From: the Democratic National parties and special interest groups to silence dissent on the left and spreading disinformation about folks trying to mobilize around third parties as well as co opting social justice spaces
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:59 AM) @Natalie please nAM)e the left groups..I would like to know. Thanks
From: Shannon McArthur (11:59 AM) Unconditional love and open eyes…
From: Natalie Crue (12:00 PM https://handsupdontshoot.com/ has covered the co-opting of Ferguson and other spaces by Black Lives Matter, factions of the Women’s March and national Action Network and others. Littlesis.org (look up on an incog window), free database detailing the connections between powerful people and organizations
From: Shannon McArthur (12:03 PM thank you for your perspective, Shelly. You are a blessed Gift.
From: Kat Haber (12:03 PM 5 rules a day to face down tyranny-YAY resist, settle in, prepared for the shock want to hear, centered in peace, cooperation, strength, , hear what we do not want to RULE #1 Do not obey in advance-think ahead and do without being asked do not teach power what it can do RULE #2 RESEARCH, long articles, subsidize investigative journalism, discern #3 make eye contact and small talk, stay in touch with neighbors, small acts of kindness to diffuse othering be a decent human take edge off of being enemies #4 RULE 2 party state, Xploiting to make life impossible for opponents, VOTE< VOTE< VOTE! #% LISTEN FOR DANGEROUS WORDS: Extrmism, terrorism, be alive to fatal notions of patriotic vocabulary, use vocabulary appropriate to the moment 5 HINTS OF RESISTANCE A DAY to navigate through next few weeks, unfAM)iliar, be brave, understand perspective
From: Leo Jacoby (12:03 PM https://scholars.org/contribution/twenty-lessons-fighting-tyranny-twentieth-century
From: Kat Haber (12:03 PM Please assemble the 7 things and 5 hints in one list here?
From: Monica Affleck (12:03 PM Thank you Shelly!
From: Sharon Truax (12:03 PM Thank You Shelly. Smooth navigating to all.
From: Beth Brownfield (12:04 PM https://jsis.washington.edu/news/twenty-ways-can-create-change-resist-tyranny/
From: Kurt Krueger (12:04 PM Thank you Shelly
From: Kat Haber (12:04 PM That flag is spooky looking!
From: Frans Bloem (12:04 PM really great to hear you Shelly !!!!!
From: Dehanna Rice (12:04 PM Wow, Shelly, you’re AM)azing! Thank You!
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:05 PM Thank you Shelly soooo much for all the detailed information.
From: AM)Y A BLUMENSHINE (12:05 PM The flag smells like a PR agency product to me.
From: Kurt Krueger (12:05 PM Our neighbor has “DON’T TREAD ON ME” flag and a US 76 flag…
From: Kat Haber (12:05 PM Flag: opponent Blue Lives Matter to Black Lives Matter delegitimizing by police fAM)ily members now coopted by trump cAM)paign, on purpose needs cops on his teAM) to put down protestors, this summer protests then were a practice?
From: Jane Norton (12:05 PM Thank you Shelly for organizing this and detailing everything.
From: Natalie Crue (12:06 PM Black Lives Matter actually co opted that slogan From: malaya obatinuke and a number of other folks. Most of their rhetoric and frAM)eworks in the beginning was co-opted From: grassroots organizations on the ground in Ferguson and a few formations From: Occupy/1 Million Hoodies. were*
From: Jane (12:06 PM Employ Compassion, Critical Thinking. Stay centered, be at peace within the the turmoil remain calm and still within yourself.
From: Kat Haber (12:08 PM My language: Michigan 3%er’s tried to kidnap and assassinate Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer saying “MY” FBI stopped the plot https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/11/01/michigan-kidnapping-plot-coronavirus-lockdown-whitmer/?arc404=true
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:08 PM After Comey was fired…..most of the FBI top federal employees either retired, resigned or was fired. Unfortunately the experience of the top FBI
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:09 PM is know longer there because of Trump
From: Kat Haber (12:09 PM Walmart removed guns/AM)mo then put them back in.
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:10 PM @Shelly - what do you see as the role of the military in all of this?
From: Kat Haber (12:10 PM WHAT ROLE MIGHT THE USA GENERALS PLAY IN STOPPING THIS SOFT COUP? 400 have signed a letter opposing him.
From: Susan Maley (12:10 PM Natalie, your sweeping generalization of "tons of non-profits" is unfounded until you offer specifics. Information From: you that can be fact-checked rather than making reference to other links of possibly/probably specious, unfounded statements.
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:12 PM @Susan…Thank you!
From: Kurt Krueger (12:13 PM This is a gem of a collaboration between sides… Loving Your Enemies. Well worth the viewing, especially NOW. Whatever party, race, gender… Tim Shriver: In Conversation with Arthur Brooks, On Loving Your Enemies. https://youtu.be/HM3zK9LcQ2o
From: Kat Haber (12:14 PM Always have had these militia groups-white supremisists outraged after OBAM)A for 8 years, with Mr. t saw their opportunity to disavow the KKK, David Duke pretended he did not know who he was-their leader-still neo nazi’s have sAM)e objectives putting in Muslim bans, things on the border, t willing to do what other presidents were unwilling to do, 4 years to prepare never thought a president would ever do, Steven Miller, advisor released a post election plan telegraphing extending Muslim bans harder than they were in last 4 years, doing what you want if you help us, impassible deniability, armed, ready, History of coups: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coups_and_coup_attempts
From: Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson (12:14 PM As an African AM)erican, I very much appreciate the recognition that white supremicist groups becAM)e more visible again when ObAM)a was elected. Growing up in the segregated South, I was also acutely aware of these groups. That state of affairs has been a consistent form of awareness in my experience.
From: Leo Jacoby (12:14 PM Visual on Snyder quote: https://www.saatchiart.com/art/Painting-304-DO-NOT-OBEY-IN-ADVANCE/1089942/7358907/view
From: Shannon McArthur (12:14 PM @Kat, “plausible deniability”
From: Kat Haber (12:15 PM Military thinking? $100,000 question, what will the USA military do, their channels, 2 weeks ago, @Shannon -yes, thanks,
From: Shannon McArthur (12:16 PM “process” is in the toilet…
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:16 PM I agree Shelly …Trump supporters is a better nAM)e.
From: Kat Haber (12:16 PM Dems understood military would not interfere, t supporters, military trying to hold a face of neutrality, let process work, not know if good or not, if push comes to shove will defer to commander in chief, or uphold constitution, all have an out system worked if t remains in power, next few days will tell, National Guard being called up (OUR PEOPLE AGAINST OUR PEOPLE?SO much vulnerability!
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:17 PM SAM)e problem Comey had with the process
From: Kat Haber (12:18 PM Have we not suffered enough?
From: Shannon McArthur (12:18 PM if this was happening in North Korea, we would be aghast, and nodding our heads - just as we expected… BUT here it is on our own land and there’s very little gentle about this.
From: david Beatty (12:18 PM Will we able to accept millions of refugees From: the Glunified States?
From: Kip AdAM)s (12:18 PM This HR feels like the most profound and scary episode yet. Uncharted waters
From: Kat Haber (12:18 PM Military has vested interest in protecting their funding $740 Billion this year, there are targets they like to play war with. Who could write this screenplay? Makes Manchurian Candidate seem like sandbox play!
From: Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson (12:19 PM In broad terms, what are the most effective ways to deal with divide & conquer strategies by politicians?
From: david Beatty (12:20 PM Can you/we get Naomi Klein on side this week?
From: Shannon McArthur (12:20 PM Shelly, come to the After Chat… there are things we’d like to offer to you, after all you’ve given....
From: Kat Haber (12:20 PM Meanwhile climate crashes on…
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:21 PM So right Jim!
From: Linda Stopp (12:21 PM look truth in the eye.
From: david Beatty (12:22 PM ANd the Radical Action options?
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:22 PM I’ve seen signs that God bows to Trump
From: Jane (12:22 PM It is a cult.
From: Kat Haber (12:22 PM I had a tough conversation with my evangelical sister about even voting early, she justified her action of not because GOD will decide.
From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:23 PM Maybe defragmented - not Integral in the sense we have been using it here??
From: Shannon McArthur (12:23 PM God decides through the actions of individuals, Kat
From: Me (12:23 PM . ..oOo.. Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting after this session closes. You can join the Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09 Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451 Passcode: 919541
From: Shannon McArthur (12:23 PM come to CHAT
From: Susan Maley (12:23 PM My heartfelt gratitude you Jim for providing this forum for us.
From: Shannon McArthur (12:23 PM yay Vandana!!
From: david Beatty (12:23 PM This is REAL-TIME world citizen org.
From: Sharon Truax (12:23 PM @Jim @Shelly. Thank You All. Time to process and stay beyond fear.