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Humanity Rising Day 121 After Chat

Chat from Chat People Zoom from HR Day 121:


  • 12: 33:45 From: Rajinder Jhol : so wonderful and thank you Stan for making this happen
  • 12: 34:03 From: Rajinder Jhol : it was an important and moving conversation
  • 12: 35:48 From: franka strietzel : unconditional basic income UBI
  • 12: 36:11 From: Kat Haber : Beyond taxation policy how might rebalancing of resources happen for ENOUGHNESS?
  • 12: 36:22 From: Rajinder Jhol : because we have empty hearts to start with
  • 12: 37:16 From: Kurt Krueger : Energizing ~

Become aware of our word usage. Use empowering words. Let us take inhibiting energy words out of our vocabulary. We don’t ‘Try,’ We ‘DO’. We “get to” rather than “have TO.” Rather than “teach them,” “we get to learn,” It is not “If we” - it is “when we”… Etc.

  • 12: 37:51 From: Tim Heide : probably they did it for the shareholders
  • 12: 37:55 From: Kurt Krueger : Rajinder, The hearts are ALL full. Peop[le simply haven’t turned within…
  • 12: 38:05 From: Rajinder Jhol : we have been rigged by the financial system... but it’s so difficult to réalise and accept that as a starting point
  • 12: 38:45 From: Rajinder Jhol : yes... empty hearts
  • 12: 39:01 From: Larry Cashion : The energy surrounding how we in western society gain has created greed mentality and fear of loss. Can the current U.S. President be the highest symbolic metaphor of that mindset materialized, and can that also be the metaphor symbolizing the Number of the Beast. That is it is not literal, but a symbol as to when society reaches this point, a new consciousness will dawn. That money move From: mind to heart

Change the thought ”The person with the most at the end wins”

  • 12: 39:20 From: Kat Haber : ENoughness a function of our own inner knowing that we are self-valued, enough, without needing to overstimulating is avoiding pain. What is it to be whole, worthy, belonging instead of longing?
  • 12: 39:37 From: Tim Heide : What does it mean to drive a Porsche?
  • 12: 40:00 From: Maurits Hoenders : I highly recommend the work of Brene Brown, the power of vulnerability
  • 12: 40:01 From: Stanley Pokras : Join the Email list for this group by writing stan@communitymagic.org
  • 12: 40:09 From: Clarice Hirata : How can i gain access to this recording? I am not able to stay on this…thank you
  • 12: 40:28 From: Diane Skidmore : @Kat Brilliant!!!
  • 12: 40:41 From: David S : Re Enough:
  • 12: 41:05 From: David S : “We shall not cease From: exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time…
Through the unknown, unremembered
Gate where the last of earth left to 
Discover is that which was the beginning…
Quick now, here, now, always -
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)
And all shall be well and all
Manner of things shall be well…”
  • 12: 41:07 From: Kat Haber : I remain in isolation From: COVID-have had food delivered only. listened for 15 weeks twice weekly with youth, elders, Xperts, BGO, CEO’s for COVID Clues, Climate Acts, Local Impacts. No driving, no flying. We belong to each other.
  • 12: 41:10 From: Kurt Krueger : Pachamama.org - Lynn’s current project.
  • 12: 41:14 From: David S : (TS Elliot
  • 12: 41:14 From: Diane Skidmore : @clarice if you put your email address here in the chat we'll send you a recording xxx
  • 12: 41:18 From: Stanley Pokras To Clarice Hirata(privately) : Write me to join the email list for this group. we publish the chat From: HR and here each day.
  • 12: 41:19 From: Tim Heide : As Long ther has somebody mor ist not enough
  • 12: 41:42 From: Tim Heide : In case you really have the most, take care it stays that way
  • 12: 41:54 From: Shannon McArthur : Many are new today, thank you for joining us — we’ve been preparing for you, and now learning how to welcome you in a good way… please mute when you are not speaking … use the tools of the environment to catch Lesley’s attention — she can serve us best that way.
  • 12: 41:55 From: Clarice Hirata To Stanley Pokras(privately) : clarice@hiratadesigns.com, thank you so much!
  • 12: 41:56 From: Kathryn Alexander, MA : @Larry C - yes Mr. T epitomizes that point of view. Hopefully many can see, really see what that looks like.
  • 12: 42:31 From: Stanley Pokras : Write me to join the email list for this group. we publish the chat From: HR and here each day.
stan@communitymagic.org
  • 12: 42:38 From: Patricia Klauer : David S - TS Eliot has accompanied me since I was 14 years old - thank you
  • 12: 42:41 From: Rajinder Jhol : perhaps it’s like Freud would say... it’s all about sex... the desire and to be desired, the fashion and fashionable and the sexy and the hot all illusions because we don’t have sexual intimacy and cannot move beyond
  • 12: 43:04 From: Kat Haber : Abundance flip side of scarcity! Sufficiency~enoughness.Lynne Twist Pachamam Alliance Soul fo $ -supports indigenous in the Amazon.
  • 12: 43:11 From: Diane Skidmore : Gosh @Kat xxx You definitely belong to us and we belong to you!!! Didn't realise you had been isolated all that time!!
  • 12: 43:38 From: franka strietzel : check out Lynne Twist on YouTube
  • 12: 43:45 From: Stanley Pokras : You can also simply put your email in this chat to be added to our email list.
  • 12: 43:53 From: David S : If you’re not there yet, get ready for the “condition of complete simplicity,” it’s going to be quite a ride… David Stoney
  • 12: 43:55 From: Diane Skidmore : And lok - there you are again xxx
  • 12: 44:03 From: Doreen Tanenbaum : Nice to be with you all! Keeping Enough in the forefront of ones priority
  • 12: 44:10 From: Rajinder Jhol : you know.. asking the question to many « when is enough « might backfire .. and rightfully so
  • 12: 44:37 From: Maurits Hoenders : I need to go. Thank you everyone for your presence and what you share. Let’s create a Care First World together!
  • 12: 44:47 From: Rajinder Jhol : because I am !
  • 12: 44:52 From: Rajinder Jhol : beautiful
  • 12: 45:09 From: Stanley Pokras : @David - we need to talk - “condition of complete simplicity" fits nicely with my idea for the Age of Helpfulness.
  • 12: 45:15 From: Rajinder Jhol : which verb did we first learn « to have » or « to be »
  • 12: 45:40 From: Patricia Klauer : Thank you all!! I need to leave now but I so appreciate all of you, your deep caring, insight and you all inspire me!! Muchas gracias!!
  • 12: 46:48 From: Rajinder Jhol : thank you. we are empty hearts seeking security outside
  • 12: 47:09 From: Simon Stedman : cfo@findhorn.org
  • 12: 47:11 From: Doreen Tanenbaum : tanenbaumd@gmail.com
  • 12: 48:02 From: Kurt Krueger : Countdown - GREAT
  • 12: 48:15 From: Clear Sky Center : karen@clearskycenter.org or karen@themindfulmoneycoach.com
  • 12: 49:21 From: Louis Bohtlingk : For your list. daretocare@carefirstworld.com
  • 12: 49:36 From: Tim Heide : 7 Generation longterm Investments on Wallstreet?
  • 12: 49:47 From: Kat Haber : Sophie Howe on Future proofing future generations From: COUNTDOWN.
  • 12: 49:56 From: Rajinder Jhol : do you think bird have the same pain ? knowing where they will eat?
  • 12: 50:26 From: Rajinder Jhol : this conversation is so important for all people to heal and discover truth
  • 12: 50:37 From: Tim Heide : I trvveled in India too. I saw terrible Things. Selfworth wont fill my belly
  • 12: 50:44 From: Kat Haber : Sophie’s talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/sophie_howe_lessons_on_leaving_the_world_better_than_you_found_it?language=en
  • 12: 52:13 From: Rajinder Jhol : faith / spiritual / providence
  • 12: 52:22 From: Rajinder Jhol : and trusting
  • 12: 52:25 From: Rajinder Jhol : so true
  • 12: 52:26 From: Tim Heide : You dont, u knew uwouldnt die on hunger. if i lose everything in nowhere i somehow get western union, call the embassy
  • 12: 53:02 From: Tim Heide : all of us just cant imagina. Maybe Ina
  • 12: 53:02 From: Diane Skidmore : And as an opposite situation to India - we have people who have been educated (maybe after the war) that we need to go for cheap. So we have created a world that mass produces with no thought for the planet or the creatures or the land. Next step a small amount of quality is better than a ton of cheap xxx
  • 12: 54:02 From: Rajinder Jhol : diane, today even big brands make cheap - programmed obsolescence
  • 12: 54:38 From: Rajinder Jhol : people care if you allow them to care - providence in action
  • 12: 54:53 From: Diane Skidmore : Exactly. That's why we need to use our People Power. Buy quality - not cheap.
  • 12: 55:07 From: Infinite Life - Malini Rajendran : Ive just heard this on another chat forum that is working on planetary solutions:Share it on all your platforms. this is seriously disturbing when the governmens vote for anti nature policies. https://www.birdlife.org/europe-and-central-asia/news/press-release-european-parliament-socialists-EPP-renew-CAP-deal-Leak-13Oct2020
  • 12: 55:08 From: Rajinder Jhol : it’s also a gift to give and also to receive.. so true... allow the flow
  • 12: 55:16 From: Daniel Rieders : Also saying, You Are Welcome
  • 12: 55:34 From: Daniel Rieders : ever read Soul of Money, Lynne Twist?
  • 12: 56:10 From: Rajinder Jhol : love is the heart of the universe
  • 12: 56:48 From: Kathryn Alexander, MA : @Rajinder - yes!
  • 12: 57:09 From: Diane Skidmore : @Rajinder Thank you xxx
  • 12: 58:16 From: Rajinder Jhol : when we lack, I encourage us to give. we might surprise ourselves of what we have to give
  • 12: 58:47 From: Daniel Rieders : Safety is very important
  • 12: 59:07 From: Rajinder Jhol : we are here to explore - so true. and we are not taking a single dollar with us in our way out.
  • 12: 59:32 From: Simon Stedman : that's so awesome Karen
  • 12: 59:58 From: Kurt Krueger : A dear friend - famous actor in Australia, went homeless for a week Video taped for TV, MOST TRANSFORMATIVE experience for him… Cameron Daddo is his name. :)
  • 13: 00:15 From: Rajinder Jhol : thank you speaker 🙏
  • 13: 00:37 From: Diane Skidmore : @Rajinder - similar with love. To those who feel unloved - try giving some. You will no doubt be surprised!!
  • 13: 01:06 From: Daniel Rieders : I have learned to listen. If you are always talking, then you have no time to listen, all you bright ones
  • 13: 01:25 From: Rajinder Jhol : @diane, each day I forgive myself and start again loving
  • 13: 02:06 From: Daniel Rieders : There is a tone of separation From: the homeless, we are them, they are us, there is no separation.
  • 13: 02:50 From: Diane Skidmore : Gosh Rajinder Well done xxx
  • 13: 02:53 From: Rajinder Jhol : there is no separation. we see. we feel. we are. we know. we choose a b c
  • 13: 03:23 From: Daniel Rieders : I have a good story, my sister was homeless
  • 13: 03:50 From: Tim Heide : Trust issu. last Weekend i went to to a bar where a refugee was working. she helped me with my findger the week before. told me she is doctor help. she spke Pretty good german. i went there one week later, asked About her, wanted to know how smart she is to tell her About School University so on.
  • 13: 03:57 From: Daniel Rieders : with this economy there may be many more homeless
  • 13: 04:04 From: Kathryn Alexander, MA : @ Daniel - wow, hope that has changed
  • 13: 04:10 From: Karen Ball : Seeing our shadow
  • 13: 04:28 From: Daniel Rieders : Uncle Donald, is our shadow, inside and outside work. PLEASE VOTE. I already have
  • 13: 04:34 From: Tim Heide : i wanted to leave my number. and everybody told me , she was helping and not working, because thats forbidden by law
  • 13: 04:36 From: Doreen Tanenbaum : The Great Mystery is always on time…for us to see what we need to see. Thank you Larry!
  • 13: 05:05 From: Remco Boerma : But that people is "us", right?
  • 13: 05:07 From: Rajinder Jhol : yes, we birth out of the pain .
  • 13: 05:14 From: Rajinder Jhol : thank you speaker
  • 13: 05:26 From: Rajinder Jhol : wish I knew all your names
  • 13: 05:29 From: Daniel Rieders : are there any take aways From: today’s HR and our chat group
  • 13: 05:43 From: Diane Skidmore : @Daniel - only recently close my door to homeless people. I love them - or better to say I used to love sharing comfort with them. Been there. Done that. "Home is where you hang your hat" we used to say. xxx
  • 13: 06:34 From: Leo Jacoby :

@Stanley your personal key is Helpfulness.

One of the links Louis shared on his screen: https://www.weworldwide.info Note the inspirational "Personal Keys" of its members:

  Jules van Beek: In humility serving my wisdom. 
  Sandra Bohtlingk: Unlocking and naming the temple in our heart 
  Remco Boerma: Brings clarity and invites change to awaken dormant potential. 
  Susan Davis: I trust my intuition to take risks around my values to find my destiny path of joy.
  Patricia Klauer: I hold space for emergence From:  the unknown into awareness 
  Steven Lovink:True North - my compass informed by truth, trust and love as source code for life  
  Mundo Resink:To restore the synergetic connection with ourselves, each other, and our environment. 
  Delilah Verhoeven: Connect to the source to awaken life. 
  Pieter Wackers: Listening, From:  a great height and depth, to the heart and what is needed. 

WHAT'S YOUR PERSONAL KEY?

  • 13: 06:44 From: Daniel Rieders : amazing story, Lesley. You need to write a book
  • 13: 07:26 From: Karen McAllister : I need to go thank you everyone. Love to you all.
  • 13: 07:27 From: David S : Thanks Larry, yes, this is a place we need to go through. Hopefully to get to a change in consciousness without a systems crash. Hope for the best prepare for the worst… David Stoney
  • 13: 07:40 From: Kathryn Alexander, MA : @Leo - what a good topic for a chat!
  • 13: 07:52 From: Diane Skidmore : @Daniel Is your sister OK?
  • 13: 08:08 From: Shannon McArthur : thank you karen!!
  • 13: 08:40 From: Daniel Rieders : @Diane, long story, got off the streets after 5 years,
  • 13: 08:55 From: Simon Stedman : I need to leave now. Thank you so much for this space and this amazing time and conversation. Love From: Findhorn!!
  • 13: 09:08 From: Daniel Rieders : thank you simon
  • 13: 09:09 From: Kurt Krueger : CU Simon
  • 13: 09:32 From: Leo Jacoby : I find much of the messages today resonate with the wisdom of indigenous peoples as well as the great spiritual traditions, such as the virtue of poverty of spirit -- which St. Francis and others practiced literally in their vows of poverty.
  • 13: 09:41 From: Daniel Rieders : church of the invisible heart - wow
  • 13: 10:25 From: Daniel Rieders : Please remember the Triangle of Disempowerment, Karpman’s triangle
  • 13: 10:50 From: Diane Skidmore : @Daniel An interesting conversation one day maybe - quite often I was aware that 'housing' some people would not necessarily be the best answer
  • 13: 11:20 From: Shannon McArthur : @Diane, yes.
  • 13: 11:41 From: Shannon McArthur : and that’s not the final answer...
  • 13: 11:44 From: Shannon McArthur : it changes
  • 13: 11:56 From: Infinite Life - Malini Rajendran : would like to throw a thought activity to the participants: how can we create 8 new currency : New types of currency:

1. Time and effort 2. Compassion 3. Love 4. Gratitude 5. Ideas 6. Solutions 7. Mentoring 8. Tutoring

  • 13: *12: 18 From: Rajinder Jhol : that’s so beautiful Louis.. would love to see that picture now
  • 13: *12: 19 From: Kathryn Alexander, MA : @Malini - nice
  • 13: *13: 48 From: Rajinder Jhol : thank you all. honored to share this time and pace with all of you. be blessed. the universe is listening. so open your hearts . the universe bless you all
  • 13: *13: 54 From: Stanley Pokras : My website, CommunityMagic.org has a section on receiving help. https://communitymagic.org/asking-for-help/
  • 13: 14:10 From: Shannon McArthur : thank you Rajinder, come back again!
  • 13: 14:15 From: Kurt Krueger : CU again Rajinder.
  • 13: 14:29 From: David S : Wealth, it seems to me, has no relation to happiness, but it is very close to fear particularly in the richer countries. Fear of not having enough is a fundamental part (the curse?) of the hyperindividualized mode of functioning that peaks at this stage of the earth’s climate cycling, i.e., this warm phase. The question, it seems to me, is what can bring us all together? It doesn’t look like either the climate crisis or the pandemic can break the hold of the God of Wealth. David Stoney
  • 13: 14:39 From: Diane Skidmore : @Rajinder - Glad you came. Would have liked to see you. Where are you situated?
  • 13: 14:43 From: Stanley Pokras : The singer Amanda Palmer has a wonderful talk on accepting help... https://communitymagic.org/public/AmandaPalmer_2013.mp4?_=1
  • 13: 15:39 From: Cheryl : In Islam, the expression is: There is no god but God — La Ilana illa’llah. The small g god is money, possessions, ego, etc. And God is the Infinite Presence. 1400 years of wisdom…
  • 13: 17:08 From: Leo Jacoby :

@David https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gnh.asp King Jigme Singye Wangchuck told the Financial Times in a 1972 interview that “gross national happiness is more important than gross national product

  • 13: 18:19 From: Tim Heide : thats why Netflix lost 7.5% today
  • 13: 18:19 From: Diane Skidmore : Learning curves for the human being, eh
  • 13: 19:45 From: Remco Boerma : From: the standpoint of oneness and all-is-one, there is nothing else but love. They are exploring just as everyone
  • 13: 20:34 From: Leo Jacoby : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_National_Happiness

https://www.govloop.com/community/blog/gross-national-product-vs-gross-national-happiness/ In 1968, then Presidential candidate Bobby Kennedy gave a speech that challenged the use of the Gross National Product (GNP) as an ... https://hbr.org/2012/01/the-economics-of-well-being Nations' Human Development Index and the Kingdom of Bhutan's insistence that it is out to maximize not GNP or GDP but GNH—“gross national happiness.”

  • 13: 21:29 From: Remco Boerma : <3
  • 13: 22:02 From: Remco Boerma : Love the fact that you all have created a public safe-space.
  • 13: 22:53 From: Diane Skidmore : And no such thing as co-incidence
  • 13: 23:09 From: Leo Jacoby : http://www.carefirstworldwideweb.com/events/oct-26-28--meeting-the-mystery-of-money--workshop--61
  • 13: 23:54 From: Cheryl : @Louis: questionnaire?
  • 13: 24:00 From: Diane Skidmore : We have incredible power - where do we direct it?
  • 13: 24:24 From: Louis Bohtlingk : http://www.carefirstworldwideweb.com/blog/building-a-care-first-world-together
  • 13: 26:44 From: David S : Thanks everyone… health and wholeness - David Stoney
  • 13: 27:03 From: Kurt Krueger : CU david
  • 13: 27:04 From: Tim Heide : no, u r just worth less
  • 13: 27:56 From: Diane Skidmore : Once the heart is massive and full, you stop worrying about money - that's why it would be good to see UBI
  • 13: 27:57 From: David S : Yes Larry, heart consciousness more difficult to find if fear dominates… David Stoney
  • 13: 28:28 From: David S : Let go of the fear… David
  • 13: 28:59 From: Remco Boerma : Tot ziens Louis!
  • 13: 29:20 From: Cheryl : Trump’s heart is so unbelievably wounded.
  • 13: 29:37 From: Tim Heide : I think his brain is
  • 13: 29:40 From: Kathryn Alexander, MA : @Cheryl - yes
  • 13: 30:00 From: Leo Jacoby : @Stan: my earlier notation: On my bookshelf: The Holy Use of Money: Personal Finances in Light of Christian Faith

BY John C. Haughey 1989. Can be borrowed at: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL2209613M/The_holy_use_of_money "This book is the companion piece to our economic times, simply the best gathering of the Scriptures as an antidote to our mindless and self-driven affluence I have seen. . . . We all need this book in our daily lives; it will live with me." -- Arthur Jones, National Catholic Reporter "Father Haughey challenges Christians, on and off Wall St., to see money not as a reward, or protection, or even necessity, but as something quite simple and utilitarian -- a means of expressing their love for God.", -- Wall Street Journal "Scholarly, provocative, and challenging, this book will help its readers quit trying to serve God and Mammon." -- Bishop William E. McManus

  • 13: 30:12 From: David S : Love to all…bye, bye… David Stoney
  • 13: 30:37 From: Diane Skidmore : Trump as a person is unbelievably wounded!! Richard Barrett who spoke to HR explained. And we need to send warmth and blessings to him - it might help!!
  • 13: 30:56 From: Shannon McArthur : Blessings of giving and receiving to all… I must be off — I love You!
  • 13: 31:38 From: Diane Skidmore : Love to you Shannon xxxxx
  • 13: 31:48 From: Kurt Krueger : We haven’t heard From: some of our participants.. :)
  • 13: 31:58 From: Larry Cashion To Stanley Pokras(privately) : What is the name of the book again please
  • 13: 32:15 From: Shannon McArthur : blessing to the blind ones - may their eyes open and their hearts too… b4n
  • 13: 32:29 From: Diane Skidmore : Absolutely - shall we invite them to speak?
  • 13: 32:54 From: Kurt Krueger : In the Shoes of the Fisherman.. Anthony Quinn movie… Inspired
  • 13: 33:30 From: Cheryl : Thank you Malini!
  • 13: 34:08 From: Tim Heide : Start to destroy peoples trust
  • 13: 35:05 From: Larry Cashion : Was the book called “the seven laws of money"
  • 13: 35:27 From: Leo Jacoby : ."The Doctrine of Discovery not reviewed by Vatican in spite of it showing up in current court citations."

@Kathryn thanks for the positive note From: the Vatican.