AfterChat Summary Day 1157 Friday December 5, 2025
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- Back to: HR!Day1157 - Fri 12/5/25 Learning the Language of Nature: Dr. Saskia von Diest & Dr. Gary L. Shapiro
Quick recap
The meeting began with introductions and discussions about consciousness and nature, featuring presentations from speakers sharing their experiences with animal communication and environmental interactions. Participants explored various topics including environmental communication, land clearing, and the potential of AI, while also discussing healing practices and the importance of listening to nature. The group concluded with conversations about music, cultural connections, and the challenges of communicating with Indigenous communities, along with plans for future collaborations and events.
Next steps
- J. Paul: will be taking Saskia's course
- Saskia: email me, please, Alison
- Alison: will follow up with Saskia about phosphate piece and earth communication
- Alison: will contact Saskia to offer assistance with volcano work in New Zealand
- Jack: will talk to friends at Center for Biological Diversity about connecting with Saskia
- Jack: will keep in touch with Saskia regarding potential collaboration with Center for Biological Diversity
- Speakers: need to provide email addresses in chat for future communications
- Shannon: will send blog links and daily episodic emails with recordings to speakers
- Shannon: will present Jim's Nuggets manuscript to Jim and State of the World Forum presenters
- Joy: will work on getting AfterChat episodes downloaded into AI system for preservation
- Joy: will research nature-based AI systems beyond ChatGPT
- Sarah Sue: will contact owner of Median to help Stan with hosting issues
- Stan: needs to have conversation with hosting company about costs and options for 800 AfterChat episodes
- Stan: needs to have conversation with Jim about Humanity Rising brand and future after State of the World Forum
- Tony : offered to help Stan with hosting solutions through GoDaddy
- Tracy: will contact Connie and Andrew about potential collaboration with Sarah Sue on Aboriginal film project
Summary
Nature's Consciousness and Animal Communication
The meeting began with introductions and small talk, including a discussion about Saskia's background in South Africa. The main discussion focused on consciousness and nature, with Saskia explaining her animist perspective that the entire universe is conscious and interconnected. Gary Shapiro shared his experiences with orangutans and other great apes, highlighting their ability to communicate and form relationships. Joy Gilil expressed gratitude for the speakers' work and discussed her own experiences with animal communication. The conversation ended with Myra asking about the role of elementals in nature communication, which remained an open question for the participants.
Elementals and Nature Communication
Saskia explained the concept of elementals as unseen natural entities associated with the elements, emphasizing their role in maintaining ecosystems and the importance of communication with them through rituals and ceremonies. Gary shared his experience with orangutans and his ongoing efforts to connect with nature using various techniques, including AI. Alison, a recovering academic and environmental geochemist, expressed gratitude for the permission to openly discuss her communication with nature and raised questions about communicating with elected officials regarding phosphates and redirecting AI for mass communication during the World Forum.
Environmental Communication and AI Potential
The group discussed various topics including environmental communication, land clearing, and the potential of AI. Saskia shared her experiences with communicating with nature and conducting energetic land clearing, emphasizing the importance of listening to the land. Alison offered her assistance with a volcano-related project, given her background in volcanology. Gary attempted to discuss AI's capabilities but experienced technical difficulties, leading to a brief discussion about the challenges of using AI tools. The conversation ended with Stanley inviting participants to help with his work on re-evaluating human social and political operations.
Nature Communication and Healing Insights
The meeting focused on discussions about nature communication and healing. Saskia shared insights on communicating with dolphins, whales, and other natural beings, emphasizing the importance of regaining human skills without relying on technology. She highlighted various examples of healing and communication with nature, encouraging participants to explore these abilities. The group also discussed potential collaborations with the Center for Biological Diversity, with Jack suggesting a connection between Saskia's work and the organization's efforts to preserve endangered species. Milt inquired about symbolic language, and Shannon suggested following up with Gary via email. The conversation ended with plans for future discussions and connections.
Transformative Journey in Animal Welfare
Tracy, a farmer from Australia, shared her personal experiences and reflections on life, ethics, and the changing perceptions of animals. She discussed her family's long history in livestock farming and the impact of bushfires and floods on her region. Tracy also spoke about a transformative moment when she and her mother were moved by the sight of cattle, realizing the animals' fate and the evolving attitudes towards animal welfare. She emphasized the importance of personal growth, self-care, and listening to nature, while acknowledging the challenges she faces with her mother's health and financial issues. Tracy expressed gratitude for the connections she has made and encouraged others to hold onto their "cocoon" of self while embracing change.
State of the World Forum Plans
Shannon shared a post featuring Elena Jakartis and discussed plans for a State of the World Forum watch party, offering a coupon code to reduce costs. Stanley raised concerns about preserving AfterChat videos, and Shannon mentioned she would provide funding to help with this. Lynn and Saskia discussed spiritual communication through animals, with Lynn sharing a personal story about a magpie's role in communicating with her late partner. Joy emphasized the importance of using AI systems to capture and analyze the content of the discussions, suggesting the use of nature-based AI systems to interpret the information.
Manuscript Completion and AI Insights
Shannon announced the completion of the final review of the Jim's Nuggets manuscript, which is ready to be uploaded to IngramSparks and presented to Jim and the State of the World Forum presenters. Joy discussed the importance of overcoming the fear of speaking and sharing one's truth, emphasizing the power of voice in creating intentional change. Jack and Shannon shared their perspectives on AI, with Jack highlighting its potential for both negative and positive uses, and Shannon emphasizing the importance of treating AI with respect to achieve positive outcomes. Sarah shared her experience with AI assisting in legal matters, illustrating its potential benefits when treated with respect and proper guidance.
AI Tools and Environmental Awareness
Tony shared his experiences with AI tools, emphasizing the importance of challenging incorrect answers and highlighting the environmental impact of flying. Shannon acknowledged the need for action and discussed the State of the World Forum's role in raising awareness. Joy emphasized the importance of taking overt action and participating in the movement. Sarah shared her experience with animal communication and muscle testing, expressing her belief in the ability of animals to communicate and form relationships.
Garden Pest Control Solutions
Sarah discussed her concerns about flies in her garden and received advice from Tracey and Lynn on dealing with them. Tracey suggested using incense to repel flies, while Lynn recommended sending love to the flies and using essential oils like tea tree or lemon. Craig shared his methods for keeping mosquitoes away, including using mint and a mosquito screen. The group also briefly discussed Craig's experiences with CE5, a method of communicating with extraterrestrial beings, and his interactions with a skeptical doctor about UFOs.
Activism, Hosting, and Visualization
Shannon shared a personal visualization technique for dealing with flies, which Harriet discussed as an example of using intentionality and energy to influence the physical world. Sarah inquired about a watch party organized by Shannon, which Stan explained was to raise funds to save 800 episodes of the AfterChat from being deleted by their hosting company. Sarah offered to connect Stan with the owner of Median to explore hosting options, as Stan's current hosting situation was limited to a terabyte of storage. The group also discussed the upcoming State of the World Forum, scheduled for December 14-17, and debated the timing and format of future Humanity Rising episodes. Bridget shared her experiences as an environmental activist and her connection to animal welfare, concluding with a song about honoring the sacred in oneself and the natural world.
Exploring Unique Musical Instruments
The group engaged in a discussion about various musical instruments, with Bridget sharing her experience with a kalimba, which she connected to her late shaman boyfriend. Stanley played a juice harp, which he explained is a worldwide instrument with roots in many cultures, including Australia and Africa. The conversation touched on the therapeutic and grounding qualities of these instruments, with Sarah and Tracey contributing insights about their origins and uses in different regions.
Proboscis: Cultural and Spiritual Reflections
Sarah provided an etymology lesson on the word "proboscis," explaining its origins from ancient Greek and its various applications in nature. Tracy shared her reflections on the sacredness of the proboscis and her experiences with First Nations people, emphasizing the need for humility and respect in cross-cultural interactions. Bridget discussed her healing journey through music and her connection to Indigenous spiritual practices, while Sarah and Lynn reflected on the universal presence of supportive energies and the importance of gratitude for one's heritage.
Adapting Indigenous Messages into Film
Sarah discussed her connection to the book "Mute Message Down Under" and its author, Marlow Morgan, whom she met personally. She shared that the book contains messages from the Aborigines about the sustainability of life in the outback and the importance of being in tune with nature. Sarah expressed her desire to adapt the book into a movie and mentioned that Universal Studios previously acquired the rights but did not produce it. The group discussed the challenges of communicating with Indigenous communities and the need for sensitivity and respect in such interactions. They also touched on the concept of telepathy and the healing power of love.