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11:02:17 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Sparkling blessings and loving greetings from the traditional lands of the Secwepemc peoples now known as Kamloops, BC, Canada. Welcome to Humanity Rising!

11:03:13 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:

   Welcome to Day 969 of Humanity Rising

11:04:00 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   This is interesting: Jim called her Kamala, I never heard him say Joe.

11:04:16 From Rick Botelho to Host and Panelists:

   Will you consider play this song, 🎶 Listen to the inspiring song, #KamelaHarris! A beacon of equity, liberty, justice. Make America Truthful Again! Share your favorite song version: gospel, reggae or rap. Invite your friends to do the same.🎶

   https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/listen-kamala-harris-song-share-your-favorite-version-rick-botelho-bdqae/

11:04:34 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   🎶 Listen to the inspiring song, #KamelaHarris! A beacon of equity, liberty, justice. Make America Truthful Again! Share your favorite song version: gospel, reggae or rap. Invite your friends to do the same.🎶

   https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/listen-kamala-harris-song-share-your-favorite-version-rick-botelho-bdqae/

11:05:32 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   He should step down NOW, SO KAMALA WOULD BE THE FIRST WOMA PRESIDENT in America!

11:05:49 From anne de Lovinfosse to Host and Panelists:

   How is Kamala regain the trust of people when she deceived for months the american  people in saying that the president was fit! She lied!

11:06:10 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   Agree, Kurt!

11:06:13 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   Then Like Truman, can win in November!

11:07:06 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:

   PLEASE set the “To” to “Everyone”

11:07:35 From anne de Lovinfosse to Everyone:

   How is Kamala regain the trust of american people after she deceived them for months stating that the president was fiit. She simply lied..

11:08:40 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   Listen to the song, #VotersLiberateUSA from fake patriotism. If so moved, share this song with your friends. Invite them to do the same to create a chain reaction. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/share-song-voters-liberate-usa-from-fake-patriotism-rick-botelho-slcpe/

   Bridge verse

   Will evangelical Christians nail Judas,

   On the cross of truth for betraying the

   constitution?

   Take one knee-down against fake

   patriotism,

   Stand up for true patriotism

11:08:45 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   LBJ told the CIA that if they got JFK he would give them their war in Viet Nam.

11:08:59 From diana Winhill to Everyone:

   We haven't seen hide nor hair of Biden for  a while …. 🤔  Some time before his WRITTEN Statement that he would not run ….

11:09:35 From Paul Greco to Everyone:

   I am so glad Kamala is the nominee !

11:09:50 From cathy weitznr to Everyone:

   don't know why we are going into the negative -

11:10:31 From cathy weitznr to Everyone:

   i am not hearing what Jim is saying about Biden . . . how would anyone feel and know when and how to relieve himself of the highest ranking in the land

11:10:31 From Clarice Hirata to Everyone:

   Jim, what are you talking about, the man is recovering from Covid.

11:10:32 From Sabina Spencer to Host and Panelists:

   Let’s think positively.

11:11:30 From cathy weitznr to Everyone:

   i know people who can't maneuver well in public but can do fine 'behind the scenes'

11:11:32 From michael coles to Everyone:

   2 much speculation  jim

11:11:34 From Marilyn Steele, PhD to Everyone:

   Biden is confined with Covid. And I imagine quite an enormous and intense amount of soul searching and eventual surrender. I think he has been amazing, patriotic and brave. And I am super excited about Kamala. As are donors and volunteers. It’s looking brilliant, like 2008 again.

11:11:52 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   Believe it or not, there's STILL TIME for Biden to step down - if enough of his close friends and advisors URGE HIM OR DEMAND IT of "talk him into it"!  Let's pray for this!!!  🥰🌹🤩

11:12:22 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   Where there is crisis, there is an opportunity. Look at money and support that Kamala is gaining. Stop beating up on Biden and the Dems. Get over it.

11:12:35 From bonnie ONeill to Host and Panelists:

   Why are you going down this road, Jim? There is plenty of time and we now have a highly competent candidate who can defeat Trump

11:12:53 From Sabina Spencer to Host and Panelists:

   Jim the energy is building lets not put blocks in the way with conjecture!

11:12:59 From cathy weitznr to Everyone:

   that's what it's all about anyway . . . as long as we can still vote with all the restrictions . . . why aren't we talking MORE about Trump's mental state

11:13:13 From Marilyn Steele, PhD to Everyone:

   Thanks Clarice. I am really proud of Joe and thrilled with Kamala and her chances. Do we believe in evolution? Quantum leaps? Uranus-Mars, Sedna, Iris etc and all the new energies? Well, here it is!

11:13:30 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   So exited that the US might have a woman as president!

11:13:31 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   GREAT POINT JIM!  So impressive that Black Women are fast to organize so passionately and quickly - 100 % unified around Kamala! 🥰

11:13:31 From Marilyn Steele, PhD to Everyone:

   Not Iris. ERIS

11:14:23 From Marilyn Steele, PhD to Everyone:

   Money 100 million $ in 24 hours. 44,000 black women organizers on a spontaneous Zoom call. The force is with her! And us

11:14:34 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   Yes Rick!  So true!  Let's MOVE ON!!! and organize as quickly as Black community has!

11:15:32 From Astrid Stahlberg to Host and Panelists:

   Finally some energy and a happy nice voice from the USA around the votes..

11:15:41 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   How much money and support has Kamala Harris gain since she began her presidential candidate? https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-much-money-and-support-has-YPbYXkLDQh6X8F6vPqdssg

11:16:05 From Stan Pokras to Everyone:

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                  Welcome to Humanity Rising

                 With Love...          

                  Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.

                          You can join the After Chat here:       

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11:16:09 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   We met Nish yesterday in the AfterChat. Very interesting man. This is a great series, Jim - Thanks!!

11:16:55 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   Yes Kim, listen to the Kamala Harris song — please share https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-much-money-and-support-has-YPbYXkLDQh6X8F6vPqdssg

11:17:15 From Clarice Hirata to Everyone:

   Signing off now. I can’t stomach Jim’s intro.

11:17:55 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Ah but Clarice, it gets better!!

11:18:01 From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Everyone:

   Jim,  Not only did Black women come out, but Black men came out in support of Kamala Harris.  There is an opportunity for a historic moment to materialize—the first woman & Black woman (with Asian heritage also) to become US President.  As an African American, it matters how dynamics are framed to focus consciousness & energy.

11:18:48 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   We need changes to the US Constitutions - NO LIARS, FRAUDSTERS, CHEATERS, ABUSERS, TAX EVASION, NO ATTACKS ALLOWED in all of our US elections.  Presidential Age restrictions: 40 - 75!  DONE!

11:19:20 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Thank you, Cindy, so much for pulling this all together for us here on Humanity Rising.

11:19:23 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   A woman of color as president, exciting, wonderful.

11:19:32 From Rick Botelho to Host and Panelists:

   Can you share a recording of yesterday’s talk

11:22:36 From Charry Stover to Everyone:

   This model doesn't bring in the intervention to the evolution of humanities by the ETs...lol

11:22:58 From Ben Levi to Everyone:

   Note a key distinction that Graves articulated that no other developmental model does; the dance between “I” and “We” systems, noted in SD by warm/cool colors (Beige “I”, Purple “We”, etc.)

11:23:55 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:

   Is this the Ken Wilber chart?

11:24:32 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:

   Thank you!

11:25:06 From Michael Spayd to Everyone:

   Blue in SD = Amber in Integral

11:25:22 From Michael Spayd to Everyone:

   Yellow in SD = Teal in Integral

11:25:36 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:

   This model doesn’t see to address indigenous history.

11:26:25 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:

   seem to address...

11:26:55 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:

   @Kathyrn - I am thinking the same thing and having challenge to express it.

11:28:15 From Sabina Spencer to Host and Panelists:

   I think I prefer “surrender self” than “sacrifice self’

11:29:04 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:

   Stan shared a model, that is similar, simpler and IMO clearer that I have used, Birds of a Feather. All of these models ignore living many lives, and that makes them more difficult to feel comfortable with. How could all of us do all of this in one life? HA

11:29:24 From Urszula Hawes to Everyone:

   Sacrifice 💜 Purple Heart acceptance

11:29:26 From Marie Murtagh to Everyone:

   This might sound provocative, and I don’t mean to, but I wonder where indigenous cultures might be on the spiral and where they might ascend, if this were to apply to most of Human development and the unfolding of consciousness.

11:29:34 From Marilyn Steele, PhD to Everyone:

   Kathryn yes, I was just thinking that. The First Peoples who understood the galaxies in ways we are just now confirming with the Hubble and James Webb, etc. Also their ecological-indigenous wisdom. The magical connection with an enchanted realm was there at the beginning. Lost. And now we are getting reacquainted with those deep mysteries. Oh dear. This step by step, linear model doesn’t evoke a living spiral to me…

11:30:08 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:

   @Marie good question.

11:30:10 From Josh Mitteldorf to Everyone:

   What do you think of the anarchists' position that all authority is illegitimate, and that people actually do better in societies without rule of law enforced by violence?

11:30:28 From Marilyn Steele, PhD to Everyone:

   Rita Marsh- same

11:31:11 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Marilyn and Rita, let’s talk about that in the AfterChat!! Important issue.

11:31:45 From Marilyn Steele, PhD to Everyone:

   Marie good question. It rather seems like we are, happily, circling back to restore and reclaim indigenous wisdom and knowledge. Perhaps in the nick of time.

11:31:53 From Michael Spayd to Everyone:

   Research on development of indigenous culture: https://a.co/d/cCczBM1

11:31:57 From Ben Levi to Everyone:

   How do you define “reality”? Here’s one definition: Reality is what continues to exist even when we stop believing it. Other definitions?

11:32:05 From Marilyn Steele, PhD to Everyone:

   Yes, ok Shannon

11:32:24 From Cindy Wigglesworth to Everyone:

   Josh, that is a Red perspective. Each perspective can be true inside a certain set of life conditions.  In a “Mad Max” world that Red perspective would make sense.  In the complex reality of today it does not provide optimal outcomes - assuming surviving and thriving is desirable for humans and animals and all ecosystems

11:33:28 From Josh Mitteldorf to Everyone:

   What do you think about the thesis (promoted by Graham Hancock, Robert Schoch, Randall Carlson, and others) that there was at least one ancient civilization with technology that was, in some ways, more advanced than anything we have today?

11:34:03 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   IMAGINE GRAPHICS that bring forth these dualism… Enhanced communication for visual learners - sounds like this idea would follow Spiral Dynamic modalities. Yea or nay?

11:34:30 From Cindy Wigglesworth to Everyone:

   Marie, Indigenous cultures are “born” at Purple but can reside all the way up the spiral with their inherent Purple intact and honored.  Turquoise will be an echo of Purple at a higher level (like a spiral staircase…it is vertically abo ve and repeating Purple).  Indigenous peoples could be a crucial part of enacting Turquoise.

11:34:41 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   Dualism is a false reductionist dichotomy but still a useful heuristic.

11:34:55 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   Could you use AI to enhance your presentation?

11:34:55 From Marie Murtagh to Everyone:

   Yes, that makes sense. Thank you, Cindy.

11:36:27 From Cindy Wigglesworth to Everyone:

   Rick - could dualism be a truth inside a larger truth? Could our wholeness desire to experience two-ness before returning to wholeness? Like inhaling and exhaling…while we are embodied it’s a part of the experience?

11:37:04 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   What color is it when there is conflicts between the maps?  The map is not the terrority. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_General_Semantics

11:38:01 From Cindy Wigglesworth to Everyone:

   Correct. The maps are always partially wrong…or some are even mostly wrong.  And we will take actions…even simple actions to survive.  As we seek to optimize (if we do) we would want to keep upgrading our maps.

11:38:07 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   What about the dualism between interconnected multiplicity and fragmented disintegrated multiplicity?

11:38:48 From Marie Murtagh to Everyone:

   Michael, FYI… Nate made a comment recently that he’s had a lot of pressure to have a session on the Dawn of Everything, but he has (so far) decided not to because there are times the narrative doesn’t follow the typical, and the Map is not the Territory, but generally, the Spiral is what unfolds.

11:39:43 From Michael Spayd to Everyone:

   Interesting.

11:39:53 From Marie Murtagh to Everyone:

   Right??!

11:39:56 From Sabina Spencer to Host and Panelists:

   I love this diamond model - it’s brilliant!

11:40:29 From Robert Hayes to Everyone:

   Dwan of Everything as free PDF:

11:40:34 From Robert Hayes to Everyone:

   https://archive.org/details/the-dawn-of-everything-by-david-graeber-david-wengrow-z-lib.-zmbbo/mode/1up

11:41:03 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   QUESTION: What would PeaceMaking  (developing Peace IN Everything, Everything AS Peace) look like using the Spiral Dynamic/DIamond Model?

11:41:42 From Michael Spayd to Everyone:

   To Cindy’s point about the matter of factness of Diamond Model: In software coding, great code is “about what you’d think” rather than something that brings attention to itself. It reveals itself clearly and is not ostentatious. But it was not clear before its written.

11:41:49 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:

   A very young soul way of being.

11:42:06 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   What color is it when falling in love with your model? What color is it when in falling in love with exploring the terrority?

11:43:49 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   What about Perry’s model of cognitive development? What about relative contextualism? https://www.perplexity.ai/search/summarize-perry-s-cognitive-de-nYB5MmJ3TtiTXTqQYscLbg

11:44:11 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Thanks for your input, Rick!

11:45:11 From Marilyn Steele, PhD to Everyone:

   Yes Cindy that makes sense re dualism. Akin to alchemy. Eg Maria Prophetissima axiom: One becomes two, two becomes three, and out of the third comes the one as the fourth.”

11:45:40 From Urszula Hawes to Everyone:

   HUMILITY in the face of mighty nature

11:47:39 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   STILL LOVE THE SIMPLICITY of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs - a clear, brilliant, and comprehensive model!  Democracy's fundamental purpose is to provide safety, security, quality food, shelter, quality education, human and civil rights, and living wage jobs for ALL.  CARE-SHARE-BE FAIR- AND TRANSCEND ALL IMPERIALISM AND COLONIZATION! ERADICATE ALL WEAPONS!  TAKE CONTROL OF OUR HEALTH AND WEALTH and create heart centered relationships! 🥰

11:49:21 From Marie Murtagh to Everyone:

   Lots of Closed Boundaries and Excessive Fear especially in the US (both parties) now.

11:50:08 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   So true Marie! Everywhere!  Rampant!  🙏

11:50:37 From Niaz Navidi to Everyone:

   What is the age of a kid that is experiencing stage purpul?

11:50:45 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   What are the criticisms of Maslow's hierarchy of needs from indigenous perspectives? https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-are-the-criticisms-of-mas-a13disMJS82NQfciSnuBNA

11:50:48 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   Thanks Cindy for your acknowledgement and additional comments! 🥰🌹🤩

11:51:13 From Marie Murtagh to Everyone:

   Excellent, Cindy!

11:52:27 From Annelies2 Weijschede to Everyone:

   🌹

11:53:25 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   How did Black Foot indigenous wisdom influence Maslow's hierarchy of needs? https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-did-black-foot-indigenous-Uoy0UgY0Qm6Zk0kETFDzwA

11:53:39 From Cindy Wigglesworth to Host and Panelists:

   At this pace we’ll need to go past the top of the hour. Probably 15 mins past. Hope that’s ok

11:54:18 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   This sounds like a 2 year old!

11:54:48 From Marie Murtagh to Everyone:

   Definitely a teenager, Shannon! LOL

11:55:08 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   (Like I said -hehehe-) LOL

11:56:26 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   All the world scriptures were written by men during (causing?)  the Kali Yuga ~ described in India as the darkest and most troublesome times of the Four Great Yugas ~ each thousands of years long. According to tradition, the next Yuga is Satya, the most peaceful, pure time of the Yugas. Where Peace IN Everything, Everything WITH Peace permeates life in the Cosmos.

   

   What is your rendition of an inspiring scripture, or meme, or book, or movie that depicts the development of the Satya Yuga? This is something that may allow us to “be the architects of the future, not its victims,” as Buckminster Fuller wrote.

11:56:27 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   THANKS AGAIN Cindy!  Indeed, time to 'CLEAN UP AND GROW" which must examine and eradicate the shadow of the dominant  global colonizers - Christianity and Islam!  The Pacific NW has a strong "Diversity, equity, and inclusion" movement AND a thriving "land back" movement - for the good of all!

11:57:43 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network to Everyone:

   To create the Highest Level: Here’s a gift of BEING A PEACEMAKER eBook shares a variety of practices that people CAN apply in theIr life… Share the eBook. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OzwiiZCI_CdYLVKiZvSnUlUV1greo5zC6jxqF17Vb8E/edit?usp=sharing. Let’s not only collaborate, we can coagulate and synergize into an unstoppable force for Peace IN Everything, Everything AS Peace.

11:57:47 From Marie Murtagh to Everyone:

   Hell yea, Cindy!

12:00:25 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   Kurt, Yes to Buckminster — Launch Equity Moonshot: co-create a fair-free-flourishing future to benefit all on regenerating healthy planet.

12:00:46 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   Excellent points NIsh and Cindy!  You'd both greatly appreciate these trainings:  1) "1000 Years of Hindu Colonial Trauma" 2) ROME - Imperialism I and 2) ROME - Imperialism II.  "We must fully understand Western Imperialism in order to fully dismantle it.

12:03:05 From Meg Newhouse to Host and Panelists:

   This is very well done and I wish I could stay.  I’ll  be sure to listen to the rest of it, as I’m particularly interested in how you see us evolving now.  Thank you!

12:03:28 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   What are the colors and levels of our educational and learning paradigms? https://www.perplexity.ai/search/using-spiral-dynamics-as-frame-2MecG41iRIiWBX52C2E08w

12:03:54 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   Special thanks to you Cindy, for your immediate, interaction with - and response to - the CHAT comments.  So respectful, clarifying, and conceptually rich!  So deeply appreciated! 🥰

12:04:11 From Michael Spayd to Everyone:

   Hear hear, @Kim!

12:04:34 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   YES!  Michael!  🙏

12:05:24 From Marilyn Steele, PhD to Everyone:

   Rick Botelho wasn’t Maslow’s hierarchy borrowed from the Blackfoot philosophy?

12:07:35 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:

   Also, the crucial issue of how Eve is blamed for eating the apple and the denigration of the feminine as a result with the extreme consequences that continue to this day.

12:07:48 From Cindy Wigglesworth to Everyone:

   Amen, Kathleen

12:08:44 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   Apple?  My translation says "fruit". Probably a fig or a pommegranete.:)

12:09:24 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   Kim, How can we deconstruct the legacy of Thousand years of Hindu colonial trauma and Rome imperialism 1 and 2 that perpetuate the Westen Imperalism to cultivate equity meta-governance?

12:09:52 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   How can we deconstruct the legacy of Thousand years of Hindu colonial trauma and Rome imperialism 1 and 2 that perpetuates the Westen Imperialism to cultivate equity meta-governance?  https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-can-we-deconstruct-the-leg-CtrlxXOLS9aUevSnfXXupw

12:10:24 From Kim Kerrigan to Everyone:

   Yes, Marilyn, a great deal of Indigenous knowledge systems has been stolen over the centuries - such as the US Constitution!!! Stolen from the Iroquois Nation, with little or no credit given.  After 1000 years of Hindu Colonial Trauma - the losses total upwards of 44 Trillion!  We need global "Truth and Reconciliation" in many domains!

12:11:00 From Rick Botelho to Everyone:

   Kim — read the link to learn how Maslow misrepresented the indigenous wisdom of Blackfoot.

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