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Humanity Rising Day 478 Chat Page   –   Tuesday May 17, 2022

Text of the Zoom Chat from Humanity Rising Day 478

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08:00:51 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Warm greetings from the traditional lands of the Secwepemc now known as Kamloops BC Canada, on this: the 478th day of Humanity Rising!

08:01:37 From Jane Norton to Everyone:

   Sending much healing energy to Stan!

08:01:40 From Monica Affleck to Everyone:

   Greetings from the traditional lands of the Stolo Peoples, Mission, BC, Canada

08:01:41 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Thank you, Jim - Stan is amazing! Thank you for your validation and warm words… Bless him - and you!

08:01:50 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:

   Good vides and prayers for healing to Stan!

08:02:09 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   His eyes are so important because his heart is full - like yours…

08:02:35 From Karri-ann Flater to Everyone:

   Sending love and healing to Stan ❤️

08:04:30 From AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Everyone:

   May Stan flourish!

08:06:47 From Karri-ann Flater to Everyone:

   Truth beyond propaganda is very refreshing to me ♥

08:08:12 From Shannon McArthur to Host and Panelists:

   Georg, good morning. Please bestow Panelist status to me so I can copy the chat. Stan has delegated me to hold be him while he's away.

08:09:18 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   ❤️ indeed Karri-ann xxx

08:09:32 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   You have told those stories before, Jim. GREAT stories!

08:09:45 From diana Winhill to Everyone:

   Can you speak Russian, Jim?  Or - at least - understand much of it?

08:11:36 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Maybe time for us to create a path for helpful humans to take so we can ALL work together for the best thriving life, regardless of race, religion and separation of any kind!! So we can ALL rise above the propaganda!!

08:11:50 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   Did he bring Walmart to Russia? LOL

08:14:52 From Pamela Schreiner to Everyone:

   Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Jim. It's so good to get a more fullsome story of Russia. I too have been there.

08:15:29 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   That is the provocation, not keeping that promise.

08:16:04 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   And that is why Mr Putin is so threatened/freaked out!!

08:16:25 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   Diane, yes.

08:17:37 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   And one of the first steps towards business (and profit) over peace (and people). So sad that people don't realise this!!

08:17:43 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:

   what else to expect from an economy based upon the military-industrial complex?

08:18:37 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Absolutely Marilyn!! Why don't 'the masses' (most 'ordinary' folk) understand this?

08:18:57 From Karri-ann Flater to Everyone:

   Because the masses are subjected to propaganda

08:19:30 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   😥

08:19:55 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:

   they are asleep. Americans don't have a well-being society because of the amt of money spent on military/defense

08:20:14 From Shannon McArthur to Host and Panelists:

   Georg, please make me co-host so I can capture the Chat. Thank you.

08:20:56 From Hyacinth Oesterlin to Everyone:

   GOD BE PRAISED!   We now hear the background of the problem with the situation, from someone of integrity who was personally involved with the people at the very Top. Perhaps w can now begin to see the other side of the confict???  So far we have only heard one side the other being sidelined , demonised and ridiculed.

08:21:33 From Karri-ann Flater to Everyone:

   Very true Hyancinth. Deep listening is the beginning of healing.

08:21:48 From Hyacinth Oesterlin to Everyone:

   Perhaps we can now move forward to PEACE!

08:21:56 From Georg Boch to Shannon McArthur, Host and Panelists:

   ok

08:22:06 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Thank you Hyacinth. focus on the positive and - God be praised!!

08:23:16 From Shannon McArthur to Host and Panelists:

   Thank you, Georg!! Blessings!

08:23:35 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   THANK YOU

08:23:51 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   I am stilll so upset about that fabrication that Busch kept telling the World!

08:24:01 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Very difficult to spread the truthful, non-propaganda word tho. People go for the negative!! (And believe the rubbish!!)

08:24:50 From Don MacGregor to Everyone:

   Why, if Putin wanted to join NATO, did he then invade Ukraine? That destroyed all chance of it happening. You can't force neutrality on a nation and expect no resistance.

08:25:08 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   I have neighbours who understand this way and - it's hard to share with others as - the propaganda machine is sooooo big!!!

08:25:42 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Good day, Ray!! Thanks for coming...

08:26:15 From Jessica Gilbert to Everyone:

   The US is spending billions on Ukraine for weapons and military supplies while I can hardly pay my bills!

08:26:22 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Don: Putin tried to join earlier and was rejected by the USA (I think) - tend to let go of the info

08:27:42 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   We tried too. Sweden.

08:28:10 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   You can view this recording, and the AfterChat, along with the chats from both (AFTER Stan uploads it tonight) at ::https://othernetworks.org/HR!Day478::

08:29:15 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   HE can speak Russian!!

08:31:04 From Jim Garrison to Everyone:

   This is a blog I wrote which lays out my position: ::https://ubiverse.org/posts/the-inevitability-tragedy-and-opportunity-in-the-invasion-of-ukraine::

08:31:05 From Hara Willow to Host and Panelists:

   That’s so sad. I adore the Russian people, language and culture. How much richer would Europe be with the addition of all that wonderful history and art.

08:32:42 From Deb Bjork to Host and Panelists:

   Kim Garrison. Wow. What a pro-Russian version of history. The  theme of this talk is “poor Russia/Putin was PUSHED  into this WAR on Ukraine — and if we just would have backed off then Putin wouldn’t have turned into an evil monster.”    

   Your & others versions of history is not “actual fact. It is facts filtered through your lens and then opinions stated as facts.   

   US and Europe certainty has made errors, through its weight around, but, Wow.    

   Signing out. And unsubscribing

08:32:43 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Thanks Jim!

08:32:54 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Thanks Jim. Gonna share this with my neighbour - she needs reassurance that not all the world is against Russia and Putin

08:34:59 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   And Barbro: Sadly Sweden are now joining NATO - since our PM encouraged it. Turkish PM warned 'silly move' but...…….

08:35:18 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   There are people who will not accept this version, no matter how validated and supported it is. We do make our own choices - this information provides a choice.

08:36:38 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   Yes, Diane, I am against it!

08:39:41 From Carol Price to Host and Panelists:

   Why did the PM of Finland, who by his own admittance, was close to Putin, see a deterioration in Putin’s mind and health. He vocalized his concerns earlier this year, and now is concerned for his country?

08:41:06 From David Stoney to Everyone:

   The capitalist princes who run the US have a very risky agenda that requires, for the sake of domestic politics, having a fierce external enemy.  “A prince cannot do all the things for which men are esteemed good, for, in order to maintain the state, he is often obliged to act contrary to humanity, contrary to charity, contrary to religion.” Machiavelli, cited in Kirkpatrick Sale’s The Conquest of Paradise: Christopher Columbus and the Columbian Legacy.

08:41:30 From shannon CrossBear to Everyone:

   Interesting. This is such a colonizers world view. I  did take issue with an earlier comment regarding not being somewhere where there has been mass extinction... not from my vantage point. We as indigenous people of this country see it differently in terms of invasion and such.

08:41:31 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   ❤️ time to stop producing all weapons and teach love, xxxxx

08:42:01 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   How to mediate  and work WITH others xxx

08:42:24 From shannon CrossBear to Everyone:

   We stand with the mothers and children...

08:42:51 From Andrew C. to Host and Panelists:

   BANWAR = Ban All Nuclear Weapons And Relax: a global treaty.

08:42:58 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   Thank you for the truth.  We threw Castro to the Russians and it looks like we threw Russia to China.  for the same reason we still have Embargo in Cuba we are still be being controlled by the propaganda shaping our beliefs in the media since we brought Joseph Goebbels and the 72K Nazis and took control of all our media. That military complex still running the show.

08:43:13 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   Funny I wrote this before you said anything about Cuba

08:43:44 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   US had the first choice to help Castro and we turned him away

08:45:22 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Message from Stan:

08:45:24 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

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   Chat PEOPLE and  panelists

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08:45:27 From shannon CrossBear to Everyone:

   Stand against invasion of foreign governments??? Really? What an insult to our Nations! Talk about invaded.

08:46:15 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Everyone is welcome to join us in the AfterChat to continue this discussion!!

08:46:29 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   Great movie "Embargo" by Jeri Rice can be seen for free at www.thepeoplesintelligenceagency.com  it is the last documentary so scroll down and all of the documentaries connect the dots and are valuable.

08:48:50 From Noelle Poncelet, Ph.D to Everyone:

   I have no problem with the conceptual factual history of betrayal of promise and the basic need for safety and dignity of Russia.  Will you address the cruelty to citizens in Ukraine.

08:49:24 From Don MacGregor to Everyone:

   Jim's article is excellent. Says it all. ::https://ubiverse.org/posts/the-inevitability-tragedy-and-opportunity-in-the-invasion-of-ukraine::

08:49:32 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Big Brother is too big for his britches, imho. And I don't want to take him down; I just want him to “wake up and smell the roses”.

08:49:42 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Thanks, Don.

08:50:42 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   Those missles were to protect Castro from us because we had so many attempts on Castro's life

08:50:42 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:

   What about the will of the people of Ukraine, their desire for freedom from Russia... willing to die for it.

08:51:53 From Hara Willow to Everyone:

   Kathleen, that is a good question. My friends mother and sisters have lost everything in Ukraine.

08:52:10 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   Kennedy literally said as he left that meeting with Allen Dulles, and I have inside info from Bobby, Those guys are F..g craz!y"

08:52:43 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:

   @Kathleen - yes, what is the will of the people?

08:52:50 From Ann Sayas to Host and Panelists:

   I’ve lost sound.  Has anyone else lost sound?

08:52:59 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   it's ok for me.

08:54:03 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   Is there any truth to the concept that Putin is actually going after the corruption in Ukraine as well?

08:55:04 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Good question, Carol Sue.

08:55:15 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   He's already backed against the wall. And just to provide a picture of proportion. One million seconds is eleven days. One billion seconds is 37 YEARS!!! So millions and billions - phew!!!

08:55:48 From Sue Baugh to Host and Panelists:

   The corruption in Russian is much worse. So it would be a strange banner to fight under.

08:55:58 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Diane, thanks - great picture to understand the numbers.

08:56:09 From Georg Boch to Everyone:

   Why is ray using the term denazification of urkraine?

08:56:18 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Yes, Carol Sue - as far as my neighbour says, that's what P is doing.

08:56:26 From Marijke Kuipers to Host and Panelists:

   Do you think the US generals think that Europe is ‘disposable’? If the nuclear option happens it is us in Europa that will pay most probably..

08:56:40 From Carol Price to Host and Panelists:

   What about Russian corruption? I don’t understand. Our world is ruled by big business and the military… no one is loving their brother as themselves. Nothing will change until the world as we know it, the old paradigm, collapses.

08:57:06 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   P's view (and my neighbour) think that Ukraine was Nazi-fied!!

08:57:09 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   No, Marijke, I don't believe so. Europe is too big to dismiss.

08:58:07 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   All we can know is that we don't know. Hence - work for a better (and unified) way!!

08:59:28 From Carol Price to Host and Panelists:

   Putin should look in the mirror when he accuses Ukraine of Nazification. There is no diversity in Russia.

08:59:45 From Carol Price to Host and Panelists:

   Europe is diversity my friends.

09:03:39 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   'Normal' US attitude is that they are bigger and better than everyone. A very small-minded view (in my opinion and with apologies - no wish to rub friends the wrong way!!)

09:04:32 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   Here you go some truth!

09:04:34 From Charles Bensinger to Everyone:

   The biggest Nazi is Vladimir Putin.

09:05:13 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   This is the most valuable thank you

09:05:24 From Charles Bensinger to Everyone:

   The Russian people are too afraid to criticize Putin. Those polls aren’t truthful.

09:05:25 From Carol Price to Host and Panelists:

   Yes!

09:06:05 From Michelle Massi to Host and Panelists:

   Yes thank you now makes sense about Iraq War too ,guests we are empire builders after all.  Can we not learn from History ? Yes I believe the use of new weapons we produce are the reason fro Vietnam and the many wars invented here to use these weapons on the civilians of the  wars created when Russia and France in these countries like Vietnam and Iraq were testing grounds. The press has been bought by so many powerful men  and yes the media does tell the story from the powers that are currently IN.Men and machinations and the pandemic, a different kind of war. Where we do not look at what you have imparted to us there. Thank you so much for clearing up the hidden agenda. Nato push to the East. What a mess and yes lives of citizens both Russian and Ukrainians.The insanity of it all and the tragedy.

09:06:29 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   Ray, Can you address the second secret military and government that is in place in case of a nuclear war?

09:07:44 From Charles Bensinger to Everyone:

   Putin is an obvious Hitler wannabe.

09:07:48 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   This is why Biden is Pres now! who put him there?

09:08:23 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   And potentially, the ordinary people of Russia (just like UK and USA) are being fed some kind of propaganda. That's what I mean - how can we tell what is true? For us on HR, it's refreshing to hear a different story but - how can we know what to think - apart from ….. We want peace and love, conscious consideration for All Life on planet earth!!

09:08:59 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   Biden is deep in the corruption in the Ukraine.  That was well established before he was elected, so how was he elected?

09:09:05 From Carol Price to Host and Panelists:

   I’ve been struggling with the thought that Biden and our government are the wolves in sheeps clothing.

09:10:03 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Exactly Carol Sue. And exactly Ray - unprovoked? A blatant lie!!

09:10:52 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

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   ==========================

   Let’s talk after this session closes.

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09:13:10 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Wow!! What a wonderful idea!! Appeal to Zelensky!! Wow!!

09:13:12 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   I just looked up Zelenskyy and he was a former actor and comedian!

09:13:18 From Karri-ann Flater to Everyone:

   True compassion is not assuming that "if I were that person, I would have done it differently!" It is more like "seeing what that person has been through I can see why they did what they did" It doesn't always "make what they did ok", but understanding is the first step to empathy and compassion

09:13:29 From Marie-France Lepage to Everyone:

   Jim, when you say that Russia has never invaded other countries is it that you consider that it is the Soviet Union that invaded the Latvian, Esthonian, and Lithuanian people? If so, would it be fair to mention it as well. You life has been amazing..

09:14:27 From Carol Price to Host and Panelists:

   And Poland

09:14:47 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Thank you Karri-ann - understanding, empathy and compassion for ALL!!!

09:15:04 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   Yes, Carol Sue, and a very popular one!

09:15:10 From diana Winhill to Everyone:

   Yes, Carol-Sue. But he is also a graduate of the WEF.

09:15:45 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   WEF?

09:15:54 From kathryn davison to Host and Panelists:

   Maybe they need each other and need to establish a better relational framework

09:16:21 From diana Winhill to Everyone:

   World Economic Forum Klaus Schwab  Davos

09:16:36 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   Thank you

09:16:54 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Jim, can Humanity Rising offer a mediatory branch. Appeal to ALL  the better natures? (With the backing of thousands of people, of course - women everywhere for example)

09:17:21 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Ooo, Diane... what a thought!

09:18:10 From Charles Bensinger to Everyone:

   Putin invaded Ukraine to seize Ukrainian natural resources and to satisfy his deep personal insecurities. He's a rank sociopath.

09:18:30 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   We need to work TOGETHER to save the planet. While we squabble with this little distraction, the world is collapsing. We continue to chop the Amazon and drain the oil wells while people are dying with no water and - can't pay the bills!!

09:18:35 From Mary Thorp_WV to Everyone:

   “The Harvard boys….”

   Says so much.

09:18:55 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Charles. Putin felt threatened. He's fighting back!!

09:19:29 From Hyacinth Oesterlin to Host and Panelists:

   Not Obama, John McCain in Georgia, Russia is a gas station pretending to be a country.

09:19:46 From Charles Bensinger to Everyone:

   Ukraine is the one fighting back. They've been brutally attacked.

09:19:58 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

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   ========================

   Have you had enough yet?  Let’s talk together after this session closes!

   Join us in the AfterChat Zoom Meeting

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   Passcode: 919541   

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09:20:13 From Noelle Poncelet, Ph.D to Everyone:

   The conclusion for me is to address ancestral trauma in Russia all of Europe and americans of europeans descent.

09:20:39 From Karri-ann Flater to Everyone:

   I agree Noelle. Ancestral trauma has deep roots.

09:20:53 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:

   @Noelle I am with you.

09:21:06 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Ukraine: a place where Nazis rule - Ray just told us (and my neighbour said it for a long time!!)

09:21:17 From Jane Norton to Everyone:

   @Noelle - absolutely necessary- this is all acting out ancestral trauma

09:21:28 From Katie Mack to Host and Panelists:

   All integrity is gone. No integrity, no trust.

09:21:55 From Charles Bensinger to Everyone:

   Trump is an actor and a serial lying comedian.

09:22:19 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Again, Humanity Rising could encourage Humanity to Rise - against war and weapons and destruction of Planet Earth!! And towards a way of Peace for Planet Earth.

09:22:23 From Trevor Grant to Everyone:

   is the destruction of Ukraine by Russia justified to create a 'buffer Zone"?

09:23:19 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   What a priming!

09:23:52 From Linda White to Host and Panelists:

   Thank you.  So informative and helpful.

09:24:02 From m monk to Host and Panelists:

   Maybe humans are still programmed as animals to defend their territory and boundaries

09:24:08 From Carol Bennington to Everyone:

   Thank you very much for this very important message.

09:24:13 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   It's been so good today. Thank you!

09:24:15 From Charles Bensinger to Everyone:

   There's plenty of proof the Russia interfered in the 2020 election.

09:24:15 From Carol Sue Engleman to Everyone:

   It has been the most truthful thank you!

09:24:16 From Carol Price to Host and Panelists:

   Putin feels threatened only because he want to be the ONLY one governing Russia. Mr, McGovern says we are not willing to allow Russia to move West. He imprisons and poisons or kills anyone who runs against him. These candidates represent Russians who desire move towards a modern Russia, more engaged with Europe and the rest of the world.

09:24:27 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:

   note no mention of Mueller Report!

09:25:02 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:

   agree Charles!

09:25:17 From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Host and Panelists:

   War unfortunately is one of most dangerous games that humanity plays.  Here are the roots (fear and projection).  Link to an article I wrote: ::https://www.academia.edu/7522226/Fear_and_Projection_as_Root_Causes_of_War_and_the_Archetypal_Energies_Trust_and_Peace_as_Antidotes::

09:25:35 From m monk to Host and Panelists:

   does our animal programming trump the veneer of human civilisation?

09:25:43 From Charles Bensinger to Everyone:

   Mueller report is very clear about Russian interference.

09:26:07 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:

   heck, I even interacted with Russians online during 2016 campaign!

09:26:07 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   My messages (in the 70s - so 'crazy') were from outside planet earth but - 'the powers out there' are playing. Using us as puppets so that they can destroy the planet by making us fight each other. Hence HR - please set up a mediatory system - help us Rise and work for Peace on Planet Earth!!

09:26:55 From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Everyone:

   War unfortunately is one of the most dangerous games that humanity plays.  Here are the roots (fear and projection).  Link to an article I wrote: ::https://www.academia.edu/7522226/Fear_and_Projection_as_Root_Causes_of_War_and_the_Archetypal_Energies_Trust_and_Peace_as_Antidotes::

09:27:39 From Diane SKIDMORE to Everyone:

   Thanks Cuf!! Trust and Peace as antidotes (and LOVE of course)

09:28:43 From Charles Bensinger to Everyone:

   The problem is not Russia but Putin, the madman.

09:28:46 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Everyone:

   I have wonderful Russian friends and they dare to speak what they think of Putin.

09:29:09 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:

   Thank you so much, Ray!!.            ..oOo..

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09:29:14 From mo Stevenson to Everyone:

   Wow. Amazing. Wake. Up. Call. Thank You for the. Truth. Love Love Love

09:29:14 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:

   Oh the wasting of human life and the destruction of all aspects of nature for WHAT?

09:29:18 From Hara Willow to Everyone:

   Barbro what do they think of him?

09:29:48 From Karri-ann Flater to Everyone:

   I appreciate this conversation very much. Thank you Ray and Jim and everyone else here 💖

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