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Humanity Rising Day 066 Chat Page

• Date: Sunday July 26, 2020 (2020-07-26)
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From: Liliane Mavridara (11:01 AM) Happy Friday Everyone!

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:02 AM) Welcome From: North Carolina woods.

From: Michael Sillion (11:05 AM) Indeed. this is probably our last window of opportunity

From: gary wohlman (11:06 AM) This IS the 11th hour.

From: Kip AdAM)s (11:09 AM) Can everyone online today bring up this concept to at least 2 people today? If not now, when?

From: Diane Skidmore (11:09 AM) We're sooo lucky to be here!! And - people with great ideas!! Gonna say thank you at the start!!

From: Gail Linsley (11:10 AM) what’s the website for “seeds”?

From: Linda Stopp (11:11 AM) please turn up volume. hard to hear. thank you 😊

From: Diane Skidmore (11:11 AM) And yes, sharing constantly

From: Ani Ahavah (11:11 AM) joinseeds.com

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:11 AM) I’ve been sharing this at every opportunity! LOL I’m looking for partners to share this with newly elected folks nation-wide. @Kate - I’m SO glad t have you here!!!

From: Michelle Kidd (11:13 AM) Kate, So Excited to hear about this

From: Kersti Ahven (11:14 AM) Woohoo. I AM) so excited with Kate with us today and AM)sterdAM) tomorrow. viewing From: Colombia

From: david Beatty (11:14 AM) Shape Shifters

From: Linda Stopp (11:16 AM) I rejected that paradigm! didn't get my phd

From: Kat Haber (11:17 AM) Kate Raworth: Starting point: Supply demand-price at center anything else is an externality-death of living world is an externality in this, Self portrait: man no dependents, calculator in his head, knows the price of everything, self interests valued over collaboration, who we say we are shapes who we become, GOAL: never-ending growth-rise/rise GDP

From: Gail Linsley (11:17 AM) thank you, Ann

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:17 AM) Interest is what underlies growth - without interest we would have a very different picture of growth.

From: Shannon McArthur (11:17 AM) yay @Kat!! gm, ty

From: Kat Haber (11:19 AM) KW: inequality over time, first worse then gets better, did not expect the Growth will even things up again, so trickle down economics, richest are the least equal, before and after war destroys the capital of the wealthy, war and gov intervention that bent that curve down, will not equalize with this curve

From: Kat Haber (11:20 AM) KW: ENVIRONMENTAL CURVE with pollution Growth will clean up after itself-Not so much, global pollutants the curve does not bend down, these two had great power Growth will clean up after itself and decrease inequality FALSE

From: david Beatty (11:21 AM) Bucky also said: Bank the Learning Curve

From: Kat Haber (11:21 AM) KW: Not fighting what’s wrong, begin again with a blank page-first concepts: PURPOSE-economic aim is DOUGHNUTS-YUMMY!

From: Diane Skidmore (11:22 AM) A chance to start again!! Thank you coronavirus - a gift

From: Kat Haber (11:22 AM) KW: Boundaries planetary, habitable, with these meeting the needs of all within the boundaries of the planet

From: Diane Skidmore (11:24 AM) Soooo lucky!!!

From: Kat Haber (11:24 AM) KW: Western endless growth is the outlier, to humanity’s wider wellbeing looks like, Way out of balance on all sides overshooting over on 4 of these boundaries now, come back in, humanity’s selfie our challenge to solve new models that take this new set of challenges on

From: Melina Angel (11:24 AM) Let’s rise awareness and reconnection to the natural rithms!

From: Kat Haber (11:25 AM) KW: Embedded economy diagrAM): society embedded in living world, bringing materials bputting out waste matte, how big might the economy’s throughput be before disruption?

From: Kat Haber (11:27 AM) KW: Financial flows ECONOMY=household Parent/partner/relative/child?(Unpaid) Human-consumer/producer/laborer/owner? STATE: Pubic servant, resident, voter, protester? Commons=volunteer/sharer/co-creator/steward? actors in the economy From: Me>WE Showing up in our own lives?

From: Kat Haber (11:28 AM) KW: horizontal is in GDP, Vertical also critical to us but not compensated in GDP

From: Diane Skidmore (11:29 AM) Share equitably - love those words Invest in human potential. Yes!!

From: Shannon McArthur (11:30 AM) yes!

From: Kurt Krueger (11:31 AM) Can we create a better exAM)ple for showing Education - the NEW EDUCATION. What would that image look like?

From: Diane Skidmore (11:31 AM) Totally brilliant - Bangladesh!!

From: Kat Haber (11:31 AM) KW: How can we get into the Doughnut? Distributive = health & education, employment instead enterprises run by employees so value retained in communities, Housing-buy half a house with option to build more when they can, Electricity-distributed generation use or sell to neighbors as a source of income,

From: SUZANNAH BEECHWOOD-HUNT (11:32 AM) In Devon, UK, the firm Riverford has become an employee owned organic veggie box farm and distributor. It is very successful.

From: Carlos Prosser (11:33 AM) i AM) a student now, i vove it

From: Kat Haber (11:33 AM) KW: Other side= instead of Degenerative> REGENERATIVE circular, resources used more carefully, creatively, butterfly diagrAM), nature regenerating herself(SOME IF DAM)AGE NOT TOO SERIOUS From: Kurt Krueger (11:34 AM) YES, Open Source. For All our relations!

From: Rachel Root (11:34 AM) Simple and logical and practical

From: Diane Skidmore (11:34 AM) @Kurt - Education - little pods of people learning and sharing life together - a few young and a couple of old - up to ten per pod. loads of ideas - later xxx

From: SUZANNAH BEECHWOOD-HUNT (11:34 AM) The principles of the Divine Feminine are essential for this.

From: Shannon McArthur (11:34 AM) yes!

From: Me (11:34 AM) Does Kate have an opinion of the idea of Public Banks as promoted by Ellen Brown? (The Web of Debt, The Public Bank Solution & Banking on the People From: Diane Skidmore (11:35 AM) These slides - AM)azing again!!

From: Jane (11:35 AM) Fantastic...Learning soo much.

From: Kat Haber (11:35 AM) KW: Challenge to regenerate-Land restoration Sebastio Salgado, Sanitation closing nutrient cycle loop and socially creating jobs, Modular design reusing materials with bolts easily reassembled, Electronics reclaiming waste through fab labs

From: Diane Skidmore (11:35 AM) @Stanley - put the question in the Q&A box

From: Jane (11:35 AM) Taking notes trying to keep up with all this AM)azing info.

From: Kurt Krueger (11:36 AM) How do we get just Kate’s presentation to upload to Social Media OR to show to elected officials in various levels?

From: AM)Y A BLUMENSHINE (11:36 AM) Fantastic presentation! Love these inspirational concepts!

From: Jane (11:36 AM) Great qustion Kurt.

From: Shannon McArthur (11:36 AM) lets talk about it laterr

From: Michelle Kidd (11:36 AM) Thank you Kate, Inspirational, Fascinating and Useful

From: Me (11:36 AM) @Diane Did put it in the Q&A

From: Diane Skidmore (11:36 AM) @Stnley - Brill xx

From: Jane (11:37 AM) Thanks Stanley.

From: Diane Skidmore (11:37 AM) And re the presentation - HR might be working on it xxx

From: Linda Stopp (11:37 AM) thankyou so much for your model! if it had been developed 15 years ago, the academy may have allowed me to get my PhD, because I would have embraced it!

From: Kat Haber (11:38 AM) KW: instead of centralized-energy-big drill rigs(Distributed renewables in place), production-factories(Distributed 3 d printers), communications-, knowledge intellectual properties, (Distributed smart phones creative commons licensing From: Diane Skidmore (11:38 AM) Gosh this is exciting!!!

From: Chrys McLaren (11:38 AM) Love the roots, ground level folk are feeding the fruits of their own labour!!

From: Diane Skidmore (11:38 AM) Wahaaaay!! Government!!!

From: Jane (11:38 AM) Video to include with all this information would be great to have when presenting this to entrenched systems.

From: Diane Skidmore (11:38 AM) Serving a thriving planet!!!

From: Kat Haber (11:39 AM) KW: design of governments: institutions need redesigning, serve growth economy? 21st century nation would ask about how can we make our growing nation thrive? 5 design traits From: Marjory Kelly

From: Jane (11:39 AM) Yes Diane ...government.

From: Kat Haber (11:39 AM) KW: Purpose: languaging? Thriving, inclusive, regenerative resilient

From: Kurt Krueger (11:40 AM) The panelists are invited to participate in an open Zoom call 30 minutes after, simply connect with Stanley Pokras

From: Kurt Krueger (11:40 AM) A bold idea to replace politicians

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From: Jane (11:40 AM) Yes...always full Transparency.

From: Diane Skidmore (11:40 AM) Ownership? I'd question the very word!!

From: Kat Haber (11:41 AM) KW: Networks-citizens, changemakers, alliances, procurement? Governance-voice, rules/practices, metrics, transparency? Ownership-land, utilities, business, data, banking? FinanceTaxes, public utilities, FDI, External debt, ODA-developing nations pay far more in debt than serving their people

From: Me (11:41 AM) As things are, Governments (i.e. the US Constitution & Courts) are in service of PROPERTY. Ben G. Price explains this clearly in his book, "How Wealth Rules the World."

From: Jane (11:42 AM) Oh La La!

From: Kat Haber (11:42 AM) KW: create rules and understanding for social WE< create gov/companies for greatest good

From: Chrys McLaren (11:43 AM) Thanks Kate superbly simply and eloquently put!

From: Kurt Krueger (11:43 AM) YES

From: Shannon McArthur (11:43 AM) yes!

From: Kurt Krueger (11:43 AM) Los Angeles is wide open

From: Luis CAM)argo (11:43 AM) Love it , thanks Kate!

From: Shannon McArthur (11:43 AM) ty Kate!!

From: Diane Skidmore (11:43 AM) Gosh this was great!!! Thank you xxx

From: Renate Dohmen (11:43 AM) thank you this was AM)azing!!

From: Me (11:43 AM) This is wonderful, Kate!!!

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (11:43 AM) @Kate thanks for AM)azing concise DE presentation

From: Luis CAM)argo (11:43 AM) I Agree! + 1 Eduard

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:43 AM) SOOOO concise! Soon potent!

From: Ani Ahavah (11:44 AM) this makes me cry in relief…..

From: Carlos Prosser (11:44 AM) Magistra, marvelous, there is a hope, there is an option

From: Todd Johnston (11:44 AM) applause applause

From: Melina Angel (11:44 AM) Yes, thank you for the simplicity!!!

From: Meg Newhouse (11:44 AM) I agree - simplicity, clarity, power, passion

From: Kat Haber (11:44 AM) KW: invites us to join in studying in September! THAT WAS A TSUNAM)I OF POSSIBILITY! THANK YOU FOR THE CARING ECONOMY DEFINED FOR THE 21st Century!

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:44 AM) Excellent presentation Kate! Can not wait to share with everyone I know.

From: Linda Stopp (11:44 AM) the option that all can understand!!❤️

From: Noa Lodeizen (11:44 AM) thank you!!!

From: Sarita Patel (11:44 AM) Kate- how did you find the courage to speak with this wisdom?

From: Diane Skidmore (11:44 AM) The joy of it all - in that - we may well be moving forward with all this in our pockets!!

From: SUZANNAH BEECHWOOD-HUNT (11:44 AM) The answer! We just have to put it into action.

From: Kip AdAM)s (11:44 AM) We the people must activate the politicians as in AM)sterdAM)?

From: Jean Yzer (11:44 AM) Lets frAM)e it this way, politicians are just doing what they know, lets show then another way. Let's encourage.

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:45 AM) all the HR talks are full videos on YouTube, just select the episode and share and download if you want to share at a later date.

From: Kat Haber (11:45 AM) Andrew Fanning: Data analysis-downscaling the DOUGHNUT to cities>>>

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (11:45 AM) @Kate - look forward to connecting with you DE project - how can we scaffold the intelligences of cities to make DE natural

From: Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson (11:45 AM) Thank you, Kate, for including so many pictures of people of color who are embracing the Doughnut. Very appreciative as an African AM)erican to see.

From: Kat Haber (11:46 AM) @Cuf, agree!

From: Me (11:46 AM) The Doughnut is a wonderful answer to the suggestion created by the Story of Solutions https://youtu.be/cpkRvc-sOKk

From: Melina Angel (11:47 AM) Can you send the link for that webpage, please?

From: Diane Skidmore (11:47 AM) WOW!! The difference between the countries!!

From: Me (11:48 AM) The Story of Solutions says to replace the GOAL of MORE, with the Goal of BETTER. The Doughnut does exactly that!

From: Diane Skidmore (11:48 AM) goodlife.leeds.ac.uk

From: Jane (11:48 AM) Would love to see how Canada is doing?

From: AM)Y A BLUMENSHINE (11:48 AM) Notably, Costa Rica has no military.

From: Diane Skidmore (11:49 AM) goodlife.leeds.ac.uk/countries

From: Gary Piazzon (11:49 AM) Blue Water? = fresh water?

From: Kat Haber (11:50 AM) AF: meet needs without exceeding the planetary boundary, every country can be seen as a developing country, our generational challenge without overshooting boundaries

From: Kurt Krueger (11:50 AM) It’s the Challenge for NOW!

From: Me (11:51 AM) How does the work of R3.0 intersect with the Doughnut concept?

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (11:51 AM) @andrew - beautiful analysis - interesting to see where countries going - I would love to look at impact of consciousness and culture (values of individuals and collectives) related to your data

From: Me (11:51 AM) This is in Q&A, too.

From: Kat Haber (11:53 AM) AF: two trends some countries are moving-China, others not-India, tend to move to greater un sustainability before they improve their social performance, Costa Rica is more effective at achieving social performance and even here increasing un sustainability with improving Social index.Need new pathways of dives cultures to move into the doughnut for 21st Century,

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (11:53 AM) @andrew @kate Do you think that countries that show lowering of trends is part of the learning path - maybe we have to learn where we are in the doughnut before we can figure out how to change?

From: Melina Angel (11:54 AM) Thank you Andrew, that is a good visualization

From: Diane Skidmore (11:54 AM) Transformative policies - yaaay. Let's grapple!! Exciting!!

From: Simone de Wijn (11:54 AM) @Marilyn great question that’s my topic and very important for the developing of human beings in the world.

From: Kurt Krueger (11:54 AM) Have you explored more of the decade in the past… maybe there were some countries, Probably in the 1800’s

From: Linda Stopp (11:54 AM) @diane, YES

From: Linda Stopp (11:54 AM) this model is feminist!!

From: Kat Haber (11:54 AM) AF: Downscaling the doughnut, find national data/standards and downscale them directly-two lenses Enviro and social holistic downscaling, viewing through 4 lenses, local, global, social, ecological

From: Crystal Steinberg (11:55 AM) transformation as more of spiral than line

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (11:55 AM) @andrew @kate - love your City Portraits - a fractal of integral cities frAM)eworks

From: Diane Skidmore (11:55 AM) @Marilyn and @Simone - yes indeed. How does consciousness affect it all!! (for me the most important thing!!Wow!! Whata question!! Carefully worded indeed!!

From: AM)Y A BLUMENSHINE (11:56 AM) How can our city be a home to thriving people in a thriving place, while respecting the wellbeing of all people and the health of the whole planet?

From: Kat Haber (11:56 AM) AF: Biomimicry-Janine Bennyus partnership, DE Action Lab, KR Foundation, Circle Economy, C40 cities (Portland is undergoing federal policing despite local leaders not wanting it FYI(Portland 50 days of protest From: MALINI Rajendran (11:57 AM) q2. Singapore is doing it right.

From: Diane Skidmore (11:57 AM) The Love on/in his face!!!

From: Linda Stopp (11:57 AM) thank you Andrew!!

From: Diane Skidmore (11:57 AM) Totally thank you xxxx

From: Kurt Krueger (11:58 AM) @Diane, radiant.

From: Kip AdAM)s (11:58 AM) Philadelphia!!!??- That's in my south central PA neighborhood-must check it out

From: Tiffany Stone (11:58 AM) I have to say that Portland is the whitest city I’ve ever visited—I’ve been there a bunch of times.

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (11:58 AM) @andrew @kate what if we always asked questions re city thriving in relation to the wellbeing of its sister cities ecoregion and planet - what if that was core to city governance?

From: Diane Skidmore (11:58 AM) So lovely to watch - I'm crying - joy!!

From: Linda Stopp (11:58 AM) these are essential questions!!

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (11:59 AM) @andrew @kate - what if city portrait also revealed the inner life of the city - like their values - you just said it!!

From: Linda Stopp (12:00 PM lived experiences yes yes

From: Diane Skidmore (12:00 PM Andrew - one of us!! We are all One!! Laughing now!! Exciting indeed!!

From: Kat Haber (12:00 PM AF: Four lenses for Public portraits to City Selfie. AM)sterdAM) pioneering transformative change, layering on the many existing initiatives already in place, lived Xperiences, taking in their stories and how they perceive their own places, new steps or further steps transforming dynAM)ics place capturing what it means to thrive

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:00 PM Love your City Selfie

From: Diane Skidmore (12:00 PM Hahaha "Fabulous!!"

From: Melina Angel (12:01 PM I want to help to translate all this into Spanish if you are interested, Eduard knows me.

From: Kurt Krueger (12:01 PM Link for the Portraits?

From: Linda Stopp (12:01 PM please and thank you@Melina!

From: Diane Skidmore (12:01 PM Wow!! You've done the Guide!!

From: Kat Haber (12:01 PM Philadelphia, Portland, AM)sterdAM) working within diverse conversations, neighborhoods to apply to won places or different conditions, simple, accessible, useable, shared, adapt it, co create for transformative action

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:01 PM Congrats on the City Portraits!!

From: Diane Skidmore (12:02 PM @melina Brilliant!! Well done!!

From: Kate Raworth (12:03 PM Here is the AM)sterdAM) City Portrait https://www.kateraworth.com/2020/04/08/AM)sterdAM)-city-doughnut/

From: AM)Y A BLUMENSHINE (12:03 PM Interesting how Trump is threatening federal intervention to both Portland and Philadelphia

From: Kat Haber (12:03 PM Decision trees for creating each of the four lenses, local/social and global/ecological identify dimensions, select desired outcomes and compare with current performance based on best available info-may not be sufficient, perhaps indicate direction of change, context, sense checking, common sense needed

From: Kate Raworth (12:03 PM And here is the Methodological Guide (just published on Monday!) https://www.kateraworth.com/2020/07/16/so-you-want-to-create-a-city-doughnut/

From: Diane Skidmore (12:03 PM Hahahah - a data nerd!!! Yaaaay!!

From: Kat Haber (12:04 PM @KR-thanks for the published methodological guide!

From: Tiffany Stone (12:04 PM @AM)y Portland is being used as an experiment by Trump—sickening totalitarian rule

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:04 PM @Kate - thanks for the guides - want to send you offer for Integral City Scaffolding to support your DE implantation with 4 Voices of city :- From: Simone de Wijn (12:05 PM AM)sterdAM) have problems with Gentrification and a lot of visitors great that they want to change that but what about the people self self organisations building From: bottom up.

From: Kat Haber (12:05 PM AF: Collaborative process: multidisciplinary researchers, city staff wide range of departments, civic orgs & community networks, rethinking, creating city portrait is a tool to feedback into the cycle of concretion for continuing change

From: Kat Haber (12:06 PM AF: Next steps-first global north cities with high resource consumption, history, colonialism >>> global south cities to produce neighborhoods to nations to bioregions

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:06 PM @Simone - I think AM)dAM) can make change From: bottom, middle and top - all working together with 4 Voices of City (citizens, civic managers, business/innovators, 3rd sector From: Linda Stopp (12:06 PM I AM) here to work for you!!

From: Leo Jacoby (12:06 PM HOW CAN OUR CITY BE A HOME TO THRIVINC PEOPLE IN A THRIVING PLACE. WHILE RESPECTING THE WELLBEING OF ALL PEOPLE AND THE HEALTH OF THE WHOLE PLANET? LOCAL/SOCIAL What would it mean for the people of this city to thrive? GLOBAL/SOCIAL What would it mean for this city to respect the wellbeing of people worldwide? LOCAL/ECOLOGICAL What would it mecn for this city to thrive within its natural habitat? GLOBAL/ECOLOGICAL What would it mean for this city to respect the health of the whole planet?

From: Kate Raworth (12:06 PM Re self-organising groups in AM)sterdAM), they have launched the AM)sterdAM) Donut Coalition https://AM)sterdAM)donutcoalitie.nl/

From: Linda Stopp (12:06 PM bravo!!

From: Melina Angel (12:06 PM Thank you!

From: Kat Haber (12:06 PM Join in September Doughnuteconomics.org in September for 21st Century rethinking global economics

From: Todd Johnston (12:06 PM Wow. So good!

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:07 PM @andrew - you are the best kind of data nerd :- From: Kat Haber (12:07 PM Global-

From: Diane Skidmore (12:07 PM Thank you - that was fantastic!!

From: Kat Haber (12:07 PM GLOCAL

From: Simone de Wijn (12:07 PM Ok, thank you Kate

From: Kate Raworth (12:07 PM You can follow us on Twitter now @DoughnutEcon - and you’ll know when we launch!

From: Monica Affleck (12:07 PM @Marilyn, is this similar to the work you have done with the City of Abbotsford?

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:07 PM @Monica - it has so many resonances that I leap for joy :- From: Tiffany Stone (12:08 PM Love that these are real solutions that are actually being implemented

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:09 PM @monica - my colleague Beth Sanders is also implementing in Edmonton Alberta - she was with panel I moderated on Thriving Human Habitats on Day 56

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:09 PM Old habits are SO hard to change - seeing the visuals is one of the best ways to change that.

From: Monica Affleck (12:09 PM @Marilyn, do you have any advice for how to approach other municipalities?

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:10 PM @Monica - find the energy (who has interest to change) and start From: there - find the 4 Voices and ask who should be here?

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:10 PM @Kurt - there you go- a challenge to education

From: Carlos Prosser (12:10 PM @Kate we invite to Chile.Wellcome

From: Kip AdAM)s (12:10 PM Donut economics: finally an alternative to neoliberal/destructive economics-YES

From: Yolanda Eijgenstein (12:10 PM Short questions give more time to Kate, Andrew and Bente if possible. Super.

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:10 PM @Ed - love the whole approach of unlearning

From: Tiffany Stone (12:10 PM I’m wondering if @Eduard seeks input From: the Indigenous

From: Kat Haber (12:10 PM EM: How do we actually move forward in 5-10 years? First holistic tool. How might universities adopt this with reductionist thinking so components, instead of indigenous interactive sides-(all our relations) most difficult is the unlearning students/teachers competition not useful now

From: Diane Skidmore (12:11 PM I do find that there are loads of uni teachers who are also not happy with 'the system'

From: Yolanda Eijgenstein (12:12 PM You rock, Kate!

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:12 PM @creative commons is such a beautiful modelling of DE - thanks so much

From: Diane Skidmore (12:12 PM Actually wrote something this very morning that - we can Zoom our way forward.!!! ( Part of a conversation with a group

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:13 PM Need to send presentations out to cities and protesting groups and unions to start getting the word out in USA

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:13 PM @Diane - yes, you are correct. Share what you wrote.

From: Carlos Prosser (12:13 PM @Kate We invite you to help us transform the society Chile that brought savage capitalism and degenerative culture to the highest level. We are now in a powerful moment of cultural change. Your voice would be light

From: Diane Skidmore (12:13 PM @Kathryn - later (maybe From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:14 PM @Carlos - SO exciting!!! You go!

From: Linda Stopp (12:14 PM I AM) here to help @carlos!

From: Yolanda Eijgenstein (12:14 PM I dreAM) of Donuts Schools

From: Kat Haber (12:14 PM KR: 5-10 years> Doughnut Economics book written in 2017 talked about is and now the doing, cities places, teachers, governments, created DE Action lab From: 3 to 7 people in lockdown online, make ideas available to all who want to implement, creative commons everything, useful for you, share bak to the community any learnings, downscaling for cities in global north with C40 of highest income cities furthest fastest, nothing inherent for northern looking forward to global south cities and countries and neighborhoods, using at national scale-Ed, adapted and adopted in many places, craziness ahead! Version 1.0 good enough to ge going, so many ways to improve it>>>Activity of people making it their own and sharing back in ed/cities/gov/teachers letting go, let us all play, principles-NO GREENWASHING only transformative, ope, inclusive,

From: Diane Skidmore (12:14 PM @Kate - see - yes - there are loads of teachers who recognise the moment too

From: Kat Haber (12:14 PM open

From: Melina Angel (12:14 PM I like this openess into the evolution of its own life, thank you!

From: AM)Y A BLUMENSHINE (12:14 PM Anyone else listening in Minneapolis/St. Paul?

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:14 PM @kate - totally respect your principles - and do you see they basically change the old economics man :- From: Linda Stopp (12:15 PM true true Andrew!!

From: Kurt Krueger (12:15 PM Los Angeles, CA USA people interested - lets connect

From: Linda Stopp (12:16 PM public affairs schools as well

From: Kate Raworth (12:16 PM @Mariyn, yes! We are aiming to run our organisation by the sAM)e principles of Doughnut Economics that we propose. So we share ideas and tools and ask for reciprocity - let’s see what happens! You are all welcome to the community.

From: Kat Haber (12:16 PM AF: 6th year of formal economics training stumbled upon ecological economics- unlearn things, no time to consider, @AF(I AM) mentoring a Yale Grad student in this where would you lay down the crumbs for her to find the place of deepest Xploration? From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:16 PM At college I got a ‘D’ in economics and had to do it twice because I didn’t believe what they were teaching and I didn’t want it in my mind, but it was required. HA!

From: Linda Stopp (12:17 PM relationships are key

From: Kate Raworth (12:17 PM @Hilary that’s great to hear. Please join our community and share with other teachers how you are teaching it. we will also have some lesson plans and workshop ideas to share.

From: Diane Skidmore (12:17 PM Global Justice Now - did a two day course on Economics is for Everyone - learnt loads - mind-blowing. Best to drop the word 'BlAM)e' - just solutions and ways forward

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:17 PM @Diane - yes!

From: Kate Raworth (12:17 PM @Kathryn - take it as a D for Doughnut. You were just ahead...

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:17 PM @Jim Please!!!!

From: Carlos Prosser (12:17 PM @Linda give me your contact

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:17 PM @kate - I think our creative commons approaches to the inner life of cities can be scaffolding for emergence of wellbeing at multiple scales in cities

From: Linda Stopp (12:17 PM @kathryn, I didn't get my PhD bc I didn't embrace the prevailing paradigm

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:17 PM @Kate - LOL

From: Tiffany Stone (12:17 PM @Kathryn I feel you 😂.

From: Linda Stopp (12:18 PM @carlos, lindastopp@hotmail.com

From: Beth Brownfield (12:18 PM @Kat again thank you for capturing and sharing notes

From: Kat Haber (12:18 PM @BB my pleasured focus

From: Simone de Wijn (12:18 PM How about inclusiveness

From: Gail Linsley (12:18 PM It may help going forward into doughnut economics if we label and denounce mainstreAM) or neo-liberal capitalism as a Ponzi scheme.

From: MALINI Rajendran (12:19 PM it needs to be called Regerative studies. instead of regenerative economics.

From: Crystal Steinberg (12:19 PM yes, please!

From: Tiffany Stone (12:19 PM @Kat 🌠

From: Peter Gringinger (12:19 PM Great that it found its way into here. Just doing a University summer school in Alternative Economic & Monetary Systems through BOKU University in Vienna Austria, Its all online and have students From: 17 countries here and talk about many of these and other concepts. Needs to be spread much wider of course.

From: Linda Stopp (12:19 PM yes @malini

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:19 PM @Peter - so nice to see you here :- From: Diane Skidmore (12:19 PM @Jim - and it'll be like dominoes - once a couple of unis find a clever way - the others will follow. This is a special moment. Let's grab it!!

From: Linda Stopp (12:19 PM I don't resonate with the term "economics"

From: Beth Brownfield (12:20 PM @ kat bethbrownf@aol.com please connect

From: Me (12:20 PM This is happening in front of our very eyes. Collaboration. YES... Go, Jim, Go, Kate, Go Eduard and Andrew!

From: Diane Sue (12:20 PM @ Jim It would be wonderful to have a specific course for different audiences...for K-12 teachers, for elected officials etc.

From: Kat Haber (12:20 PM JG: box with no one in it! Where is the low hanging fruit or trim tabs that once activated would create max derivative effect? Easiest pressure points?

From: Melina Angel (12:21 PM The Transdisciplinary master in sustainable living systems in Colombia would like to join that offer of creating ways to teach this model. Please bring me into the conversation!

From: Linda Stopp (12:21 PM punctuated equilibrium

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:21 PM @kate - that's the honey in the doughnut - mindset change - that's where we are working in Integral City :- From: Shannon McArthur (12:21 PM you light a beautiful fire, Kate!

From: Linda Stopp (12:21 PM honey in the hole!!👍😁

From: Kat Haber (12:21 PM KR: interviewing systems, (Dinella Meadows-paradigm change tipping point might be instant) LVOING CHATBOX_KEEP ON CHAT PEOPLE!

From: Jen Forti (12:22 PM I would love to describe the doughnut model through a song!

From: Diane Skidmore (12:22 PM The art of household e.... - which is why the two day course covered it all - simple!!!

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:22 PM @Marilyn I’d love to talk with you later…?

From: Luis CAM)argo (12:22 PM yes! The art of caring for the planet, our home

From: Kat Haber (12:22 PM Kr; Living planet is the household and live well within the ism get in the way, pictures help us get through these, AM)sterdAM) @Jen Do IT!, Sing on!

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:22 PM @kathryn send me email marilyn@integralcity.com

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:23 PM @Marilyn Will do

From: Kat Haber (12:23 PM KR: Within planetary boundaries is the paradigm change, then we recognize it is with in (Design limit! From: Linda Stopp (12:23 PM Yes

From: Meg Newhouse (12:23 PM Songs, films, books, art — all help change the paradigm.

From: Diane Skidmore (12:23 PM Smiley faces - Ed and Andrew!! Yes, clever Kate xxx

From: Ani Ahavah (12:23 PM Kate, What is the ESSENCE of doughnut economics that can be said in spiritual or sacred terms? I’m a poet and I must hear what you are saying with my heart.

From: Jane (12:23 PM Fiddlesticks..I had to go off line for a bit...so missed a bunch of this vital education. I will check back on the chat to see how it applies to education.

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:23 PM We talk about changing governments, city, nations - what about the Media - who has a grasp of Earth as ecological source?

From: Kip AdAM)s (12:23 PM Harvard school of economics needs to hear this

From: Linda Stopp (12:24 PM include the poetry, the honey in the donut holes!!

From: Kate Raworth (12:24 PM @Ani - hi - the essence is thriving in dynAM)ic balance. I AM) sure you can find more poetic words than me! we grow until we grow up and then we can thrive.

From: Melina Angel (12:24 PM melinangel@gmail.com

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:24 PM @Ani - Love self, love cities. love planet - surely your heart can hear this?

From: Kat Haber (12:25 PM AF: only economist for how big should economy get, in a blink got that ecological economics can happen quickly as he did and others can as well, city portrait methodology, so many places are so different, relationships, worked her but not here, urgent, unpredictable,

From: Diane Skidmore (12:25 PM Too hard to intervene (maybe) - just build the new way!!

From: Julia Bonadei (12:25 PM @Ani, for me the doughnut is about the notion of Oneness…. at one with the planet, each other and the systems that exist and are created around the notion of oneness.

From: Linda Stopp (12:25 PM that is poetry

From: Kurt Krueger (12:26 PM USE PHYSICAL DISTANCING! WE ARE STILL ABLE TO BE SOCIAL!

From: Meg Newhouse (12:26 PM Yes, the virus can be seen as a gift From: the life force to change the paradigm — all life independent.

From: Simone de Wijn (12:26 PM We designed tools and gAM)es to build with real people in villages to build on the regenerative world ! We are here we open with conscious feelings From: our mind the paradigm start for us 5 years ago..

From: Carlos Prosser (12:26 PM Pandemic showed that "not growing economically" WAS NOT A TRAGEDY

From: Julia Bonadei (12:26 PM @Ani, early in the conversation Kate held up her hands and pulsed them like a heartbeat. i think that that is also a spiritual link… in a way her hand gestures were the mudra of doughnut economics

From: Kat Haber (12:26 PM JG: If change a person’s mind you can change their life-Pandemic world shut down in weeks, social distancing was instantaneously applied without a murmur, a week before if asked one would think it is crazy, All else follows KR: turns around and grabs the precise piece of knowledge needed in this Momente SHERO RISING!

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:26 PM @Ani - nive!!

From: Jane (12:26 PM This feels as though it is the one piece that will shift the consciousnesat at the Leadership levels of Education.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:26 PM @Ani nice!

From: Mary Reinhart (12:26 PM I AM) a 78 year old white privileged woman. I want to do/be something to leave my children and grandchildren. How can I help change the paradigm? What action can I take?

From: Michelle Kidd (12:26 PM The DONUT can BE like a rubber ring it helps us to float

From: Linda Stopp (12:27 PM the mudra is the heartbeat with our hands!

From: Me (12:27 PM No one could have predicted the Beatles! Doughnut Economics is the Beatles of sustainability.

From: Julia Bonadei (12:27 PM @linda…. yes1

From: Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson (12:27 PM One of views is that things change From: the inside out and the language of our inner life (the unconscious) speaks in images. So, thanks so much for the use of pictures as they speak to changing things From: the inside out by providing external representations of what can be

From: Simone de Wijn (12:27 PM Everyone has to be included also you @Mary

From: Julia Bonadei (12:27 PM paradigm change is definitely it!

From: Meg Newhouse (12:27 PM Online education is a way around entrenched academia.

From: Kat Haber (12:27 PM Donela Meadows: You could say paradigms are harder to change than other things. Nothing slow, in a single individual it can happen in an instant, Keep speaking loudly with assurance, not reactionaries, work with action change agents…

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:28 PM DE is much more than sustainability - look at how it embraces regenerativity

From: Linda Stopp (12:28 PM thank you 😊

From: Simone de Wijn (12:28 PM OPEN MINDED !!!!

From: Yolanda Eijgenstein (12:28 PM Love it

From: Ani Ahavah (12:28 PM NAM)E OF BOOK PLEASE - KATES QUOTE

From: Todd Johnston (12:28 PM “the vast middle ground of people who are open minded”

From: Diane Skidmore (12:28 PM A flick of a switch!! @Kate those words From: the book yaaay!!

From: Julia Bonadei (12:28 PM But as a “paradigm buster”, i’m often treated as a “heretic” of sorts… so it requires me to be in community of like-minded people who ARE IN the new paradigm… this energises me to continue.

From: Meg Newhouse (12:28 PM How about bringing in Bente (sp)?

From: Kate Raworth (12:28 PM Thinking in Systems by Donella Meadows

From: Linda Stopp (12:28 PM it is a challenge to be a heritic

From: Julia Bonadei (12:28 PM @kate, please share the nAM)e of the book you read From: ?

From: Diane Skidmore (12:29 PM Stay with us, Ed - we're all positive - all the time!!

From: Renate Dohmen (12:29 PM @julia I agree and AM) in the sAM)e boat

From: Diane Skidmore (12:29 PM It's a great gAM)e we're playing - every day!!!

From: Julia Bonadei (12:29 PM @renate, so let’s chat please?

From: Jen Forti (12:29 PM Yes, it is @Eduard!

From: Julia Bonadei (12:29 PM My email is julia@wideopenspaces.co.za… I’m based in Johannesburg, South Africa

From: Michelle Kidd (12:29 PM Society and change it is like a, PENDULUM swing, WE have to find the BALANCE

From: Shannon McArthur (12:30 PM Kate, your email?

From: Kate Raworth (12:30 PM Thinking in Systems by Donella Meadows

From: Cheryl Ritenbaugh (12:30 PM The paradigm shift of doughnut economics is like: the world now is like a football gAM)e without rules. Astronomical scores, no meaning. With Doughnut rules, then there is a gAM)e with tremendous creativity and so much to learn and create.

From: Diane Skidmore (12:30 PM Again - a flick of a switch!!

From: Simone de Wijn (12:30 PM Can we have your email Kate?

From: Gary Piazzon (12:30 PM “The Earth is alive. We must respect that as we must respect one another. When we do that we won’t have to ask, we’ll know what to do.” Stephen Point Stahlo From: the Coast Salish message to Paris Climate Conferes. “

From: April Hu (12:30 PM Question: I AM) involved in a scaleable education project for Rural Village Teacher and Leadership Training in China. How does Donut Economy apply to Asia?

From: Kate Raworth (12:30 PM My inbox is a deep dark sea, you don’t want to end up in it : From: Renate Dohmen (12:30 PM @julia lets! my email is London7806@aol.com

From: Kate Raworth (12:30 PM But on Twitter I AM) @kateraworth - love to see you there

From: Tiffany Stone (12:31 PM @Julia Disrupters are always needed

From: MALINI Rajendran (12:31 PM I have posted three questions for Andrew in the Q&A

From: Gary Piazzon (12:31 PM “When we look at the world, we don’t see resources we see relatives.” Jay Julius Lummi elder

From: Victoria Schwarz Schwarz (12:31 PM I AM) just being in a place of joy, thinking about where we have come From: since May 22! I AM) full!

From: Kip AdAM)s (12:31 PM Psychedelics and Donut Economics for the change we need- thanks for the plug Andrew

From: Julia Bonadei (12:31 PM @renate, got it! Thanks. I’ll email you

From: Renate Dohmen (12:31 PM @julia : From: Tim Ellis (12:32 PM I'm in Cape Town. It feels more nuanced and complex to move From: GDP growth to the Doughnut here in South Africa. The sudden economic stop has highlighted the extreme inequalities and problems for so many of our population. So I AM) super curious about applying these questions to cities/countries in the Global South.

@Kate - I'm heading to Schumacher for Regenerative Economics in September. I'd love to engage when the focus on the Global South starts. How to stay connected on this?

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:32 PM I left another summit at Findhorn - Roots of Tomorrow - topic today = Deep Inner Listening - when we are calling forth the new paradigm "There is a voice that doesn't use words - Listen" (Rumi) - so beautiful to images, poetry, and energy here.

From: Julia Bonadei (12:32 PM @tiffany, I agree…. and also need support to energise ourselves. It’s hugely exciting to be on a forum of people who are open minded, hopeful and happy to be agents of change… united by this powerful vision.

From: Gary Piazzon (12:32 PM “We are not protecting the Earth. We are the Earth Protecting herself.” Casey CAM)p-Horack Ponca wisdom keeper & activist

From: Kate Raworth (12:33 PM @Tim - hi- the very best way to be involved with us and with all this work is to join our platform as soon as we launch in September. That is where all the action will be!! www.doughnuteconomics.org

From: Julia Bonadei (12:33 PM @tim, I’m in Johannesburg. I share your concern but there is indeed HUGE opportunity at local community level.

From: Jane (12:34 PM I have always felt it is about the 'Timing! ..timing more than implementing a particular new progrAM)me, that costs an arm and a leg, as a solution when it comes to educating the Heart and the Mind of the child.

From: Tiffany Stone (12:34 PM @Yes, Julia. I would love to be around more like-minded people as well. I always feel like the stranger in the strange land. Love to all of you in SA.

From: Julia Bonadei (12:34 PM @tiffany… well put! I’m going to borrow your words! Very helpful

From: Tim Ellis (12:35 PM @Julia - Huge opportunity indeed. I feel complexity in how to approach this topic given the socio-political climate we find ourselves in. Felt the sAM)e about the climate protests - not as simple as the straight call in the UK for exAM)ple...

From: Gail Linsley (12:35 PM My mom liked to say “As you travel through life, whatever be your goal, keep your eye upon the doughnut and not upon the hole.” Just couldn’t resist.

From: Shannon McArthur (12:35 PM This is the Do in the Doughnut!!

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:36 PM @bente - love your initiative to engage youth ... and bring the field of Bucky Fuller

From: Gary Piazzon (12:36 PM Humility, gratitude and reciprocity are at the heart of Indigenous values. The Honorable Harvest a ted talk by Robin Wall-Kimmerer https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+honorable+harvest+kimmerer&docid=608024222126312414&mid=52133DD7A1DE169E661952133DD7A1DE169E6619&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

From: Julia Bonadei (12:36 PM Online e-learning platform would be great. In SA, we have soooooooo much inequality and a government who is highly corrupt and very much in the ME picture Kate put up early on. AND at a local community level, people get the ubuntu and it’s going through an open door.

From: Me (12:36 PM Dear Doughnut Chat PEOPLE, panelists, too
Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting 30 minutes after this session closes. Please write to me if you would like to participate (even if you can't join us today)
I have also created an email list for us to interact without being on at the sAM)e time.
stan@communitymagic.org

From: Simone de Wijn (12:36 PM Young ones and different cultures please..

From: Kat Haber (12:36 PM Bente Milton: Household economics of feeding 5 kids, changemakers building together, already begun the world gAM)e, happy to be in Copenhagen, following footsteps of AM)sterdAM), 90 leaders in cities to meet needs of planet, global youth assembly, harvest given to world leaders, online learning for a broad number of young and less privileged, love to support doughnut platform, Bucky;s world gAM)e across platforms, bring Xperienced based ed as practical Xcercises, as a young person to co create something together to attract young ones to the table, see quick change

From: Shannon McArthur (12:36 PM ty Bente

From: Tim Ellis (12:36 PM @Kate - thanks, I will do so. Found your book last month and this week feels such a gift as preparation for a deep dive. : From: Jane (12:36 PM Timing plus Donut econmics.

From: Kate Raworth (12:36 PM @Tim - hope you enjoy it!

From: Michelle Kidd (12:36 PM Yes, Bente. Let the Children lead the way 💓

From: Jen Forti (12:37 PM I would love to find that excerpt From: Donella Meadows that Kate read!

From: Julia Bonadei (12:37 PM @tim, what is the title of the book you mentioned by Kate?

From: Beverly Sullivan (12:37 PM Hope Bentte quality can be improved tomorrow. Often she breaks up and it is hard to flow what she is saying.

From: Jane (12:37 PM Wonderful teaching Kate.

From: Jane (12:37 PM Love the demo.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:37 PM @Julia - Donut Economics

From: Julia Bonadei (12:37 PM @kate, I love your prop! Great teaching tool…. so memorable!

From: Simone de Wijn (12:38 PM Children, different cultures

From: Julia Bonadei (12:38 PM @kate, there are very few straight lines in nature… sacred geometry yes! Shapes inside each other, the overlap and make so much beauty.

From: Me (12:39 PM Grow till you're grown up! Brilliant

From: Kat Haber (12:39 PM KR: nothing grows forever in nature, grow and then grow up then thrive-kids (BELONG) challenge is greatest for high income countries already at top of the curve they must transform to thriving in doughnut now, lower income countries are much further down the grown living in the hole in the doughnuts must generate all systems to come up the curve grow until grown up? Design for finance shift! Spoiler alert.

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:39 PM Developmental Stage…

From: Linda Stopp (12:39 PM what a great lady

From: Ani Ahavah (12:39 PM That economic trajectory (your illustration) has to come back toward itself in the cycling spiral of life.

From: Diane Skidmore (12:39 PM Fantastic description @Kate Thank you

From: Tiffany Stone (12:39 PM I would like to know if any of you have spoken with Indigenous elders for input

From: Julia Bonadei (12:39 PM @tim, did you see where SA was on Andrew’s graph? Right at the edge of the sustainable planet Y axis and very low on social standing for the people.

From: Paul Coleman (12:40 PM @Kate: Wonderful and simplistic way of getting the message across. Fun as well!

From: Michael Sillion (12:40 PM indeed. it how we rethink finance, capital and value creation.

From: Kate Raworth (12:40 PM I’ll make that video!

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:40 PM @Paul - simple not simplistic…

From: Linda Stopp (12:41 PM value creation through education

From: Tim Ellis (12:41 PM @Julia - I did see that. Shocked me slightly how far to the right it was - I'm going to explore that data further...

From: Cheryl Ritenbaugh (12:41 PM What is Andrew’s website?

From: Kat Haber (12:41 PM AF: go to goodlife.Leeds.uk website, to data tab, Ideal timescale? no.

From: Carlos Prosser (12:41 PM @Kate you Will enjoy Chile

From: Diane Skidmore (12:41 PM @Kate - you make the video - we'll share it - everywhere!!! thank you xxx

From: Michael Sillion (12:41 PM check out this on Value creation with Bill Baue at SSBMG 14 July 2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HODP2-5BVxQ

From: Tim Ellis (12:41 PM @Kate Thanks for addressing that briefly. Brings a very helpful perspective. (Need to get myself a flexible growth prop! From: Michelle Kidd (12:42 PM Thank you Everyone for a Wonderful, Exciting, Informative conversation

From: Kat Haber (12:42 PM I AM) wondering what a conversation between Hans Rosling (RIP) and Kate or Andrew might sound like?

From: Julia Bonadei (12:42 PM @tim, I felt a nauseous looking at it;.. visceral response in my body. Urgh! And sadly I don’t see it changing any time soon - at least not chAM)pioned by government…. I think it will come more From: civil society… much the like the downfall of apartheid

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:42 PM Thanks so much @Ed for providing beautiful grounding; @Kate for brilliance of your doughnut download; @Andrew for your approachable data set; @Bente for bringing in the next generation. Thanks @Jim for manifesting this session/week.

From: Shannon McArthur (12:42 PM Andrew, email?

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:43 PM SO, SO powerful!!! Thank you to ou all!

From: Kate Raworth (12:43 PM All the resources we have discussed today on downscaling to the city are available here: https://www.kateraworth.com/2020/07/16/so-you-want-to-create-a-city-doughnut/

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:44 PM What Covid -19 has taught us world wide. Promo for this new path. Where we are Developmentally World Wide.

From: Shannon McArthur (12:44 PM ty, Kate! great stuff!

From: Kate Raworth (12:44 PM Andrew’s national doughnut website is here goodlife.leeds.ac.uk

From: Luis CAM)argo (12:44 PM Thanks. Kate and Adrew, awesome work. We hope to incorporate it into Regenerate Colombia. Also exploring how shifting education into a Nature-Based approach can build the base of living systems thinking and help us move towards the holistic WE mindset

From: MALINI Rajendran (12:44 PM @andrew. thanks for your response. i would like to recommend that the political cycle be a time line, because then the donut would reflect an elected governments performance and policies Nd scope of improvement for the next elected government.

From: Paul Coleman (12:44 PM Local economy, food security, less pollution through transportation, healthier lifestyle.

From: Kate Raworth (12:44 PM @Luis sounds great - please join DEAL’s Community in September. Let’s go!

From: Jane (12:44 PM Thanks everyone....time to sell some donuts!!

From: Linda Stopp (12:45 PM what is your email @carlos

From: Julia Bonadei (12:45 PM Exactly… a civil society movement. Yes!

From: Shannon McArthur (12:45 PM hahaha!! ya!

From: Paul Coleman (12:45 PM @Kate: just joined. Thank you.

From: Gary Piazzon (12:45 PM We are grateful to Covid for it allows for maturity born of travail much needed everywhere but more so here, for ours, the USA, is sadly an adolescent culture still welcoming of magical thinking in some here. Proof? = the explosion of Q-anon conspiracy here.

From: Tim Ellis (12:45 PM @Julia. Our political system (and all the complex systemic history and circumstances that have led it to this point) cannot do much but focus on the social. It feels hugely difficult for them to introduce the "within the means of the planet" if that compromises the social aspects. So civil society will need to be the driver. We probably have to work at grass roots level, hence an interest in downscaling to cities & communities...

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:45 PM Yes it can…the people in the streets protesting need to hear …check out their organizations

From: Diane Skidmore (12:45 PM @Julia Obviously governments are way behind and unlikely to bend just yet so - what can individuals like us do? We have to keep a positive dreAM)/idea/state of mind. Every thought counts. Even as I write - Ed is saying we have to do it in spite of government!! Hope and faith and individual action!! Do your best!!

From: Carlos Prosser (12:45 PM i Will eat the doughnut, not the sugar ones

From: Kat Haber (12:46 PM EM: with Savory carbon negativity in small scale farms, might be able to in 10 years to reduce inequality in Costa Rica. CONORNAVIRUS before export open model replaced by local, better life individual places, civil societies can do this, very powerful instrument to engage people to change our economic systems by giving hope instead of adapting to a collapsing climate, we still have time to move to abundance and give up scarcity,

From: Michelle Kidd (12:46 PM Or Mars...... Crazy

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:46 PM THANK YOU ALL!

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:46 PM @Eduard - You are so wonderful and so positive and so clear!!!

From: Kate Raworth (12:46 PM @Carlos - perfect! Eat the one doughnut that turns out to be good for us. It’s conceptual!

From: Shannon McArthur (12:46 PM ty, Ed, we need a good real exAM)ple!!

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:46 PM Findhorn Angels of the day - Awakening ... Abundance

From: Luis CAM)argo (12:46 PM Power to you Eduard!! Lead the way!

From: Julia Bonadei (12:46 PM @Diane… I wholeheartedly agree… it starts with us.

From: Gary Piazzon (12:46 PM “First we dreAM) it. Then we build it. Then we ask if its possible.” Paul Hawken economist!

From: Jen Forti (12:46 PM A race to move to the top left corner!

From: Shannon McArthur (12:46 PM doughnuts are big circles!!!

From: Jane (12:47 PM Wow Marilyn..Love those Findhorn cards.

From: Luis CAM)argo (12:47 PM +1 @Jim

From: Shannon McArthur (12:47 PM Black Elk said he saw circles …

From: Julia Bonadei (12:47 PM if the original meaning/root of “economics”is in the home, then that’s where we can start right NOW

From: Linda Stopp (12:47 PM I took home economics in high school 😁

From: Diane Skidmore (12:47 PM @Julia Keep your spirit up xxx

From: Tiffany Stone (12:47 PM Yes why are homemakers still devalued in this day and age—so crazy!

From: Luis CAM)argo (12:47 PM Back to the care of home!!!

From: Jane (12:47 PM Thank you Jim common sense.

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:47 PM Link Donut to Covid together, and move it to all in what is needed to heal the world

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:48 PM @Gary - thanks for Paul Hawkin’s thoughts. Maybe bringing him here with his drawing down???

From: Kate Raworth (12:48 PM Thank you Jim. I want to acknowledge thet Doughnut Economics is built on decades of work by many economists From: Daly to Meadows to Sen to Chang.

From: Linda Stopp (12:48 PM yes Paul

From: Julia Bonadei (12:48 PM @ Linda, in my school days taking home economics was a “loser” female subject… it was pooh poohed by the male dominated educators….. urgh! it’s what we do daily when we have households.

From: Shannon McArthur (12:48 PM we have lit the fire - the sacred fire burns!!

From: Rachel Root (12:48 PM thank you all! The time has come!!

From: Kurt Krueger (12:48 PM The Four Sacred Gifts, Anita Sanchez’ book

From: Kate Raworth (12:48 PM In the words of Andre Gide: Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening it has to be said again’ (this time with doughnuts : From: Sarita Patel (12:48 PM Home Economics was a class offered in High School. where did that go?

From: Linda Stopp (12:48 PM exactly my case @julia

From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:48 PM @Kate ... and you had the courage/insight to synthesize all those who have come before. Deepest Appreciation.

From: Kat Haber (12:49 PM JG: Kate your idea ’s time has come in a regenerative way, genius it to make it so simple doughnut economics into the homemakers understanding generating a contact so children thrive, within the context of the community/household/ BEnte with kids in 96 countries, power of the paradigm, presence of an idea whose time has come, organize around it, do what we can-courses, Bente City Transformers,SImple doughnut HUMANITY RISING encourages us to enable these paradigm shifts! @Ed, @Kate, @Jim, @Andrew @Bente Bold, brilliant, beautiful!

From: Shannon McArthur (12:49 PM AM)azing… beautiful!

From: Michelle Kidd (12:49 PM 💓 💓💓

From: Jane (12:49 PM Would love to see the unversities making this a prerequisite for Ed students.

From: Diane Skidmore (12:49 PM This is why we're here. gosh, we're moving forward. Thanks to everyone !!

From: Gary Piazzon (12:49 PM Drawdown should be in HR’s wheelhouse also Solutionary Rail!

From: Linda Stopp (12:49 PM love

From: Kurt Krueger (12:49 PM Gracias

From: Kate Raworth (12:49 PM Thanks so much for this opportunity.

From: Jen Forti (12:49 PM Blessings to all <3

From: Luis CAM)argo (12:49 PM Thank you!

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