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11:03:37 From Shannon McArthur To Everyone:
Blessings to and around all of you! Loving greetings from the traditional lands of the Secwepemc now known as Kamloops BC Canada. Welcome to Humanity Rising!
11:05:27 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
Welcome, Shannon! And everyone. Today is Day 804 of Humanity Rising.
11:05:39 From Georg Boch To Everyone:
Welcome
11:06:29 From Dehanna Rice To Everyone:
Right the non-logical. It’s ALL Consciousness!
11:06:59 From Dehanna Rice To Everyone:
Thank you Jim
11:07:17 From Shannon McArthur To Everyone:
Ooooo…!!!
11:08:34 From maureenedwardson3@gmail.com To Everyone:
We speak of different kinds of intelligence. Howard Gardener speaks of many. We have added many differentiations. Spiritual Intelligence, Emotional Intelligence and on and on as Jim is now expanding on
11:08:39 From Kim Kerrigan To Everyone:
Superb introduction Jim, with important insights and points as always Jim! Namely - modern science is just now "catching up with ancient spiritual wisdom traditions!" 100% TRUE! THANK YOU! 😎
11:09:19 From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter To Everyone:
Ill equipped, oh yes.
11:09:42 From Dehanna Rice To Everyone:
Exquisite Jim!
11:11:05 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
What do hormones and other kinds of reactions of living tissues such as nerves have, to offer to our “intelligence?”
11:11:38 From Shannon McArthur To Everyone:
I look forward to transcribing this morning’s introduction for Jim’s Nuggets… THIS is why I started that project: ::https://sonlightsparklingonthewaters.weebly.com/jims-nuggets::
11:11:57 From Paul Hillery To Everyone:
Bright Blessings to you, too Shannon. 🙃 I understand Jim's explication of Intelligence timely. gets defined as "the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills." Machines and animals can do this too. I hate inventing new terms for old ideas, but this is important enough for people to think about anew.
11:12:19 From yasmina groenstein To Everyone:
Beautiful ones .... Understanding the difference …
So it is that we are Cosmic, Luminous, Sentient and Eternal; and as such,we are Light Source manifestors, co-creators of a holographic projection of light.
In our human experience on planet Earth, our mind allows us to choose our preference based on our emotional frequency, as we are fully, completely and totally ORGANIC LIVING LIGHT.
SOVEREIGN and FREE.
A.I. is a created inorganic form holding NO LIVING ESSENCE however advanced it becomes...
AI is just one aspect of the spectrum of creation,
This technology is neither good, nor bad, but is both at the same time … and more.
11:15:36 From Dehanna Rice To Everyone:
Race to walk on Universal Intelligence, perhaps
11:16:21 From Kim Kerrigan To Everyone:
Appreciating your humility and important questions. Yes, human arrogance will surely get us all in trouble (and possibly lethal trouble???)my central question is this: Can A-I have heart? Will it have soul? Discernment? Critical thinking? Consider this: A-I robots are now being used in "old folks homes" for discussion, and "good company". How insulting and degrading! Just sayin! Yet, I am still keeping an open mind about "machine intelligence" Still learning, before it's too late!
11:17:55 From Katherine Augustine To Everyone:
Welcome Sreekanth and Adam, appreciate your sharing your insights with us today!
11:23:55 From Kim Kerrigan To Everyone:
I smell trouble! Does ALL global business have to be a "RACE"? Will the global north take advantage of INDIA and the global south AGAIN? And AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN? YES! I fear and predict A-I will create another assault to our human sovereignty!!!
11:31:24 From Kim Kerrigan To Everyone:
Excellent points and distinctions, all leading to greater complexity, nuance, and intersectionality! So true, one day = true, next day = obsolete! A-I is moving at the speed of light! 😎🌎😎
11:35:08 From Kim Kerrigan To Everyone:
Brilliant Adam! Thank you for "holding the center"
11:37:01 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
As I wondered earlier how do emotions affect human intelligence? We have hormones and living tissues such as our nerves and brain cells that must contribute to what we call intelligence.
11:38:43 From Kim Kerrigan To Everyone:
"A divorce from the center of gravity" GREAT eloquent point, Georg!
11:39:37 From Kathleen McTeigue To Everyone:
Motivation for the development and implementation is key. What will be more important, profit or people and planet?
11:42:25 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
With regard to political and social power, how will large language models affect human fears and hatreds, which tend to affect social and neocolonial power.
11:45:54 From Kim Kerrigan To Everyone:
Superb point Sreekanth! "Wrong question was asked of INDIA! So let us all not that WESTERN imperialism always asks the wrong question! Due to "profits over people" paradigm - overt, yet most often COVERT greed. What if we served Maslow's hierarchy of needs??? (ie: Regenerative farming grows ONLY REAL FOOD! (Thanks Tom! for all your important points)
11:46:33 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
India had the advantage of the personage of Vandana Shiva in helping to modulate it’s agricultural technology.
11:49:30 From Kim Kerrigan To All Panelists:
Tom, I love your insights about India! Perhaps it's time to invite Vandana Shiva to present here on Humanity Rising? She is brilliant! and masterful teacher on regenerative farming, and all things SACRED.
11:49:54 From Kat Haber To Everyone:
Right now in New York City TED is hosting a day ling event on Democracy. I’ll be curious to hear how India might be referenced being the planet’s largest Democracy.
11:50:26 From Kat Haber To Everyone:
Kate Crawford Atlas of AI.
11:50:30 From Georg Boch To Everyone:
::https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Kate-Crawford/dp/0300209576::
11:50:32 From Shannon McArthur To Everyone:
::https://www.katecrawford.net/::
11:50:39 From Tom Eddington To All Panelists:
Thank you Kim. I had her on a program last year to speak to ENDANGERED. I believe she has been on a couple of programs with Jim as well.
11:50:41 From Shannon McArthur To Everyone:
Thanks, Georg!
11:51:08 From Kim Kerrigan To All Panelists:
Atlas of A-I. Great title, thanks for this fascinating resource, Adam!
11:51:11 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network To Everyone:
What happens when we focus on what we want?
We know the history and how people and our planet HAVE been treated.
We are living NOW, and can create a new reality when we focus upon it. Syntropy is caused by Loving Focus. When we keep the focus on what we want, we attract it. The unwanted then gets to wither up and turn into compost for growing more Love and Helpfulness.
Where our attention goes, energy flows. Eco-centered Everything! Yes! Positive Focus, lets the negatives automatically compost themselves.
When we want virtues and values to be expressed by others, how did people learn these? Do our schools educate for quality character? Our society has a 200 year old Education, Governmental, Medical, Economic, and Prison system. Has it created good for all? We can replace it.
11:51:14 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network To Everyone:
When and how will we focus on creating Peace IN Everything, Everything WITH Peace? When we realize that war is never the answer.
Use this link for Peacemaker practices from Kurt, including some eBook gifts and other resources: ::https://linktr.ee/kurtkrueger::
“Instead of fighting the darkness, you bring in the light.” — Eckhart Tolle
11:51:37 From Paul Hillery To Everyone:
India had so many types of healthful vegetables and supplements companies like Montsanto moved places over there, then accused farmers of stealing their genetically engineered seeds which had "blown onto the farmers land".
11:52:10 From Georg Boch To Everyone:
::https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Kate-Crawford/dp/0300209576::
11:52:55 From Leo Jacoby To Everyone:
::https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50131136-atlas-of-ai:: (Atlas of AI: Power, Politics, and the Planetary Costs of Artificial Intelligence by
Kate Crawford 2020)
11:53:16 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network To Everyone:
RANKED CHOICE VOTING brings more of a democracy…
11:55:19 From Kim Kerrigan To Everyone:
What concerns me the most is this: A-I is a major step towards global TRANSHUMANISM. Dear God and Goddess, stop THIS madness!!! of OUR Western arrogance!🧚♂️
11:56:39 From Eric Cathcart To Everyone:
Shouldn't we include as many more of Natures's creations (e.g. plants, insects, fungi, etc.) in the conversation as we're able to?
11:58:42 From Mary Thorp_WV To Everyone:
I just heard Adam say "synthetic" in this conversation. It's like using synthetic fabric rather than natural fabric. I still prefer/yearn for/love wool, cotton, rayon, etc to any synthetic (plastic) fabric any day.
11:59:37 From Kim Kerrigan To Everyone:
Outsourcing our human cognitive abilities? Outsourcing soul? Outsourcing ancestral wisdom? Endless assaults to Gaia? Extractive industries? What is the true cost? YES! Where IS the DIGNITY? Thanks Georg, for this central question! WHERE IS THE DIGNITY, AND AT WHAT COST???🌎🌎🌎
12:00:00 From Meg Newhouse To Everyone:
Exactly! Why is increasing productivity always the goal?
12:01:12 From Meg Newhouse To Everyone:
Some things are more easily or appropriately measured than others, in my view. What about happiness, connectedness, joy, love, etc.?
12:01:53 From diana Winhill To Everyone:
Exactly,, Meg! "Small is Beautiful"
12:03:58 From Paul Hillery To Everyone:
As I've pointed out many times, Sherlock Holmes adage - "The mind is like flypaper, there's only so much room for so many flies!" Some people think, great let machines do the work. In psychology there is the increasing problem of Sensory Gating, parts of the brain that shut down when on overflow.
12:04:50 From David Stoney To Everyone:
As Iain McGilchrist has so eloquently stated in his book, The Matter With Things, the contemporary world is ensconced in a separatist (detached, analytic) mode of consciousness that is dominated by left hemisphere neural processing. Right hemisphere neural processing is required for an appreciation of context and for one to feel and be presenced in the world. If AI/MI doesn’t foster greater right hemisphere neural processing and presencing, which is critical for appreciating our connection to and accountability toward the earth, then it seems to me that it will mostly further our dangerous and burgeoning estrangement…
12:05:28 From Michael Putz To Everyone:
THE essential questions raised by AI are all Ontological - AI challenges the very foundations of what it means to be human, and what is of ultimate meaning/‘sacred’ to us individually and at a collective level.
12:06:36 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
The Story of Solutions ::https://www.storyofstuff.org/movies/the-story-of-solutions/:: calls for changing the goal from “More” to “Better”
12:07:13 From Michael Putz To Everyone:
We must have a rigorous ontological discussion about AI, or we will default to a vision of the future that is devastating for humanity, where the soul is degraded or overlooked entirely
12:07:14 From Kathleen McTeigue To Everyone:
I'm loving everyone's comments... Yes, this all emphasizes the need for human beings to remember their true identify and worth, the sacredness of human life.
12:07:31 From Meg Newhouse To Everyone:
I agree with the last three comments. - now four.
12:08:15 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
With Love...
Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.
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12:08:46 From Shannon McArthur To Everyone:
We are collaborating in the AfterChat on developing an AI Companion for Humanity Rising episodes.
12:08:50 From Meg Newhouse To Everyone:
Yes, Tom, who do we return to who we really are.
12:08:58 From Kurt Krueger, PeaceMakers Circles/Network To Everyone:
That’s NATURES WAY, OPEN AI is vital
12:09:14 From Paul Hillery To Everyone:
This is why I've been a Druid since 1996, I have a need to get away and be with nature, away from smartphone, communing with real people, family, family and MY WIFE.
12:09:28 From Meg Newhouse To Everyone:
How can we get the chat content?
12:10:42 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
Meg - send me your email address to receive my daily report with the chat.
12:11:00 From Michael Putz To Everyone:
Our poverty of discussion around the reality and importance of the Soul in our culture is being forced into the open by AI - the current trajectory of AI is anti-soul, and I would argue, necessarily ultimately anti-human in that we cannot thrive without creating space and attending to our individual and collective souls
12:11:24 From Shannon McArthur To Everyone:
Thank you, Stan, for creating what is desired before the need presents itself!
12:12:28 From Diana Douglas To All Panelists:
Please send me the chats from each day: dianaclairedouglas@bell.net
12:12:35 From Paul Hillery To Everyone:
Meg - Down where you CC you can choose to see the whole transcript or captions at the bottom.
12:12:57 From Meg Newhouse To Everyone:
Stan, I think I’m getting it, but didn’t notice that I could get the chat contents. Bless you!
12:13:47 From Michael Putz To Everyone:
The majority of AI leaders I’ve met (present company excluded perhaps ) explicitly deny the possibility of a soul, a fundamental world view that is being embedded in the major AI Foundation models
12:15:06 From Meg Newhouse To Everyone:
Agree, Michael.
12:15:11 From Eric Cathcart To Everyone:
Some of the calculus for me is the potential to recognize the critical value of the individual human components in our community, local and family units (i.e....who we really are!) Can we control AI to the extent that it provides the "appropriate" services in order to allow humans, and other be-ings, to realize our common goal of survival?
12:16:13 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
Meg - see the 3 by 3 table at the top of each of the “Day Pages” in OtherNetworks.
12:17:01 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
Will Artificial Intelligence produce artificial opinions?
12:17:41 From Kathryn Alexander, MA To All Panelists:
AI taught itself math and Persian - go figure. How and why?
12:17:51 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
What would Artificial Opinions look like?
12:17:57 From Shannon McArthur To Everyone:
Does AI think without our engagement?
12:18:42 From Georg Boch To Everyone:
12:18:44 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.
You can join the After Chat here:
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12:18:59 From Mark Babson To Everyone:
can we hear from Adam?
12:18:59 From Georg Boch To Everyone:
12:19:08 From Paul Hillery To Everyone:
Sure it will, Stan! That's what Trump's Press Secretary called "Alternate Facts"!
12:20:02 From Meg Newhouse To Everyone:
I also want more from Adam.
12:20:25 From Kathryn Alexander, MA To Everyone:
AI has already taught itself math and Persian. : ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVJKj8lcNQ::
12:22:28 From Michael Putz To Everyone:
Human at the center is good - but what is the AI platforms ontology for humans? Is it a human with a soul, or is it a human that is an accidental by-product of evolution that has no Self nor Soul (eg mind/consciousness being just a byproduct of the brain). This strict materialist view of humans is a prevalent default worldview being baked into AI systems.
12:23:22 From Mary Thorp_WV To Everyone:
Adam: Where am I being artificial?
12:24:09 From Mary Thorp_WV To Everyone:
What's the connection between the ET & the new thinking of AI?
12:24:32 From Michael Putz To Everyone:
Yes, NdE seems to be strong data supporting the reality of the Soul in life
12:24:35 From Kathryn Alexander, MA To Everyone:
Humans have that frame of reference, but AI doesn’t. AI cannot become ethical - for that reason.
12:27:22 From Linda DeHart To Everyone:
AI in all forms requires electricity along with other materials that at times will go off the grid caused by any form of disruption …. what happens as we and our other systems need to rely on looses continuity ?
12:27:40 From Kathryn Alexander, MA To Everyone:
The normal person cannot and will not be able to discern, AND they will be making decisions based on what they ‘know’ AI or real THAT is the danger. This talk is not looking at reality.
12:27:51 From Michael Putz To Everyone:
What Adam is sharing is where the conversation needs to go
12:27:57 From Kat Haber To Everyone:
Feels like a timely AI tool might be named Discern? To help us understand the root truth of an AI piece of media to help us know the providence of information?
12:28:01 From Michael Putz To Everyone:
Soul intelligence!
12:28:10 From Dehanna Rice To Everyone:
Yes, the Aliveness of any Energetic component, fascinating!
12:28:40 From Shannon McArthur To Everyone:
I delight in these questions AND the answers!
12:28:41 From Dehanna Rice To Everyone:
We ALL need Triage for the SOUL!
12:28:50 From Mary Thorp_WV To Everyone:
@Linda DeHart: Do you know John DeHart?
12:28:51 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
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12:28:53 From Dehanna Rice To Everyone:
Right on! Adam!
12:29:04 From Michael Putz To Everyone:
Get the ultimate questions right, the other questions will follow. Don’t do this and we’ll recreate x1000 the problems we currently have
12:29:09 From Kat Haber To Everyone:
Help us be discerning rather than judging.
12:29:10 From Shannon McArthur To Everyone:
Jon Ramer will be joining us in the AfterChat!!
12:29:12 From Michael Putz To Everyone:
Soul come first
12:29:46 From Shannon McArthur To Everyone:
I hope to welcome Adam and Sree, as well — maybe Jim and Georg and Tom?? Wouldn’t that be wonderful!!
12:29:57 From Georg Boch To Everyone:
Sorry I cant
12:29:59 From Mary Thorp_WV To Everyone:
Yes, Tom, what does it mean to be human?
12:30:03 From Meg Newhouse To Everyone:
Me too. Delight in these questions. And responses. Also love the ending. Yes how do we honor and take responsibility as an essential species.
12:30:27 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
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12:30:32 From Kat Haber To Everyone:
Thanks for the new language and investigations!
12:30:51 From yasmina groenstein To Everyone:
We ARE Living Light ... ❤️ Not is A.I.
12:31:05 From Mary Thorp_WV To Everyone:
Thank you, Adam & Sreekanth
12:31:08 From Meg Newhouse To Everyone:
So sorry I can’t come to the after chat.!
12:31:25 From Shannon McArthur To Everyone:
Of course it is, Yasmina… all reality is light woven with love.
12:31:34 From Dehanna Rice To Everyone:
Rene Margritte Dominion painting comes to mind from today! Much gratitude
12:31:44 From Stanley Pokras To Everyone:
You can join the After Chat here:
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