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11:02:17 From Stan for the ChatPeople to Georg Boch(Direct Message):
Thank you, Georg
11:08:02 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:
Such important information. Thank you Jim!
11:10:47 From Charry Stover to Everyone:
I'll be counting Jim!
11:11:10 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:
Important to read...
Biden's Proclamation re Indigenous Peoples' Day 2022
11:13:04 From Charry Stover to Everyone:
I counted 11 breaths/
11:13:38 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondiaronk::
11:17:21 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:
@Leo - thank you for the link.
11:19:23 From Stan for the ChatPeople to Everyone:
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11:21:14 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Jesus loves the little children of the world. Red and yellow, black and white.
11:22:25 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://faithandjustice.georgetown.edu/::
11:22:57 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Faith without justice can become private and tribal. Privatization of the gospel. Justice Xpands faith into the world. Faith alone generates anger/violence.
11:23:17 From Kurt Krueger to Everyone:
Here's a query: “What is the mystery of peace, that if we were to discover and embrace, our realization of it would be faster and easier?” Is it hidden in the gospels or any other religions texts?
11:23:26 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Geneisi 1:26 THen GOd said…
11:24:55 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
imago de foundation of human rights, assault on imago de is religious in 10 key states for voting rights, not just political but faith, narrow time frame, multiracial democracy must be achieved now.’
11:25:45 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
protecting democracy and healing faith based…
11:28:25 From John Steiner & Margo King to Stan for the ChatPeople(Direct Message):
Hey dear Stan ❣️🙏🏼😍Margo king here again. sorry to keep bothering you but I am again requesting a regular participant link I don’t belong here on the screen, but it’s the only link people keep sending me. I use SteinerKing33@gmail.com email as well as John ……could you please please please please send me a regular participant link. Thanks for all your doing…. this is so important
11:29:05 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX9eN5CvVgcSwCgbDAic-6Q:: (14 videos -- channel for Georgetown Center on Faith + Justice)
11:30:45 From Stan for the ChatPeople to John Steiner & Margo King(Direct Message):
Hi, Margo.
11:31:15 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Richard Cizik: Quincy, Washington Presbyterian Church, bored, introduced to gospel/Jesus, view that politics was important, Senior ran for state legislature against history prof, born again Xperience altered thinking, Grad school at GU, Mission in China, Grad school for Theology in Denver, movement of new evangelicals, forebeareres: Society was a covenant between between people and God,suspicious of government, Covenant in Mayflower Compact into a civil body politic, evangelical thinking, belief in fallenness of government, not kingdom of God, 2. each must individually work out GOd's plan, human individual moral reckoning, wariness of outsiders, 1860 UPS was out-numbered/outreached/outspent of evangelical Methodists
11:32:05 From Kurt Krueger to Everyone:
Thanks for your work for a thriving life with our particular religious belief. Together in collaboration and dialogue, we get to prompt the world back into thriving for ALL our relations. See how we can do it even faster with the Peace Lab, www.OtherNetworks.org/Peace_Lab
Have a magical day creating the Grandest Version of Your Greatest Vision!
Kurt Krueger, PHD (Playing Happily Daily)
* Success Systems International ~ ::https://www.SuccessSystemsInternational.net::
* PeaceMakers Circles/Network ~ ::https://noblegoldman.com/fun/intentional-change-network/kurtkrueger::
* WORLD FEST, www.theworldfestorganization.org.
* Peace Lab/IMAGINED ~ www.OtherNetworks.org/Peace_Lab
* Going Beyond Your Beyond Youtube Channel ~ ::https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnRMOnm-PYm40VeTxkSJxyA::
‘We don't address their brains; we address their hearts.’ ~ Nelson Mandela
11:33:20 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/226140593.pdf:: (International Law/The Great Law of Peace, thesis by Beverly Jacobs 2000. 223 pp.)
11:34:08 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
RC: Us vs Them mentality, against the tyranny of the secular, rooted in covenant, role of government flipped to become a form of evangelicalism into American populism, at one time contributed to vobrancy now White supremecy, voter restrictions, Trump ideology, Christian Nationalism, growing contingent of New Evangelicals hold on old paradigm while disputing the old current actions
11:34:24 From Meg Newhouse to Host and Panelists:
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11:34:42 From Stan for the ChatPeople to John Steiner & Margo King(Direct Message):
Oops, I hit the enter key… I don’t have anything to do with the assigning of Zoom llinks. Georg might have the power to set you up the way you’d like. But, there is another way… You should be able to register for your own Zoom identity here: ::https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_EmgbTkgST8WNmzA4BjXBTQ::
11:35:26 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::http://www.amaxpro.com/DivaLyri/IroquoisConfederacy-The-Great-Law-of-Peace.pdf::
11:36:29 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::http://www.newevangelicalpartnership.org/::
11:36:46 From Stan for the ChatPeople to John Steiner & Margo King(Direct Message):
I’ve meant to write an email in response to your request… but thanks for persisting…
11:37:51 From Stan for the ChatPeople to John Steiner & Margo King(Direct Message):
Margo, let me know if the link I gave you does what you want.
11:39:38 From Meg Newhouse to Host and Panelists:
Sorry, that was a computer gone a little wild.
11:40:30 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
11:40:32 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
RC: American democracy is in trouble choosing pro democracy leaders-30,000,000 white evangelicals includes Hispanic evangelicals Evangelicals was 2006 23% & today 14.5% targeted open to message, sign a pro democracy pledge against gerrymandering, voter suppression 3 months online, have 50,000 pledges, with 10,000 visits to website, engage in digital ads/content broader 30,000,000 audience, perils of Christian Nationalism, In a beautiful way: “Was Judas the first Christian Nationalist?” Join E4D democracy of r the long term, graphics in English & Spanish youngers through TIk Tok, 8 ball messaging, partnering with public democracy America,
11:41:17 From Aida Merriweather to Everyone:
Would love to hear the story of the difference between the first call & the second call to this evangelical expression of faith
11:41:41 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
5 D’s: from deny to deliberate to disarm to defending to doing
11:42:32 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
2020 Michigan Evangelicals for Biden inspired John Steiner
11:44:49 From Rachael Bliss to Host and Panelists:
Why Biden? He’s been a disaster.
11:45:07 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Billions are being spent on these campaigns, winning/losing coming to a few votes, go into a state with modest $ to shift votes 350,000 former Trump supporters with invitational emails, faithbased encouragement, broader movement, pledge to vote for a candidate of their choice to affirm pro democracy values, can accomplish the electoral nudge, know audience, with appealing message, then repetition so comfortable in making this shift, 28 years voted for Republican candidates, admitted he voted for Obama.
11:45:40 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
11:46:01 From Stan for the ChatPeople to John Steiner & Margo King(Direct Message):
Margo, if you look below here ::https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_EmgbTkgST8WNmzA4BjXBTQ:: You’ll find a “Join Webinar in Progress” button which looks like it will register you and get you on in one move…
11:46:35 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
The United States is ranked 57th in electoral integrity in the world. Compared to other liberal democracies, it is ranked second to last
11:46:43 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
So if they do not believe in Democracy, do they also refuse to vote, evangelical citizens?
11:47:09 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
"It’s no surprise that the US trails behind other democracies in voter turnout – about 55% of eligible Americans voted in the 2016 elections, compared with around 87% in Belgium and 78% in South Korea."
11:47:43 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
60% of voters in US will have an election denier (anti-democracy candidates) on the ballot. Calling out names may be a helpful/hopeful part of these Democracy Dialogues
11:48:39 From Connie Baxter Marlow to Everyone:
It's time to bring the Native Americans to the table for The Third Great Synthesis to shift into a true democracy. Check out our film “Seeds of Freedom: A Vision for America” ::http://bit.ly/SEEDSofFREEDOMFilm::
11:49:35 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
RC: calling is painful from religious right for views on climate Oxford understood the scientific evidence, admitting voted for Barack Obama, abortion, elders fired him without a conversation/dialogue after Terri Gross meeting, executive committee had met while he was flying he must resign without asking wwy he said what he said, believe in 14th amendment equal process, a divergent view is deemed suspicious, not all are that way,
11:50:04 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
@Connie, I so agree, bring in the first people here now.
11:50:13 From Aida Merriweather to Everyone:
Thank you, Richard.
11:52:23 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://thedpledge.com/:: (GLENN KIRSCHNER, Co-founder of The Democracy Pledge)
::https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrWmonkmTk5NbvmVnc7f70w:: (Glenn's channel)
11:53:17 From Connie Baxter Marlow to Everyone:
It is time to respect, honor and seek understanding of the American Indian point of view, perspective and way of life. It is time to ask the open-hearted Indian to the table through an open-hearted and open-minded invitation to council together and explore how we might realize those principles and ideals so treasured by all people who dream of bringing Liberty, Equality and Justice for all people forth from the realm of possibility into actualization in our educational, health and governmental systems. It is time for a Third Great Synthesis. from “Seeds of Freedom" film.
11:54:26 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Jim update: Rich is an Xample, evengelical leader part of NAE, washington policy and was the conservative on war in Iraq consistent conservative evangelical, but converted through climate change science no contradiction people of faith had to save God's creation, no dialogue/conversation civil unions now are wrestling with equal rights protecting civil rights of gay people, head of NAE boss about Rich and his questioning, he said he wished he did not have to, board/donors demanded it, political decision to fire Rich, culture/politics/$ define faith, supposed to supercede this to another level of thinking, caultural captivity, Romans 12: "Don;t be conformed to the world, but be transformed by the renewalb of the mind.” Rich was fired next “And this is your spiritual worship of God.”
11:56:26 From Charry Stover to Everyone:
This is giving me goosebumps.
11:58:02 From Stan for the ChatPeople to Everyone:
I love the “commandment” for having “no other god before me…” It makes little sense to me that an all powerful God would care to make a dictate like that. More likely, is that the priest class would want a commandment like that, to preserve their status.
11:58:15 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
The Imago Dei, or Image of God, pledge is simple: “I recognize that every human being, in and out of the womb, carries the image of God; without exception. Therefore, I will treat everyone with love and respect.”
11:58:38 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
Lovely, Leo
11:58:40 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Black clergy in 10 key states IMAGO DE movement not D/R fighting for voting rights, insist on all get to vote, not based on skin color, religious or not makes sense, most believe in god, not secular, not affiliating to what religion is/is not saying, looking for courage & authenticity, cost to pay, TEDx Talk on white christian nationalism (Which TEDx?)
11:59:41 From Charry Stover to Everyone:
There was a religious revival that happened along with the youth movement of the 1960's. This sounds like the new movement for these times. And personally I don't consider myself a standard Christian. I'm a little bit Jewish, Buddhis, and HIndu in my leanings. And a Christian background. I might have been a 1st century Christian. But not a 21st century Christian.
12:00:49 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
John Steiner: America: minority majority nation now focused on racial minorities, ::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_minority_in_the_United_States#:~:text=Six%20states%20are%20majority%2Dminority,)%20are%20also%20majority%2Dminority::.
12:01:43 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
2,000 poll Chaplains at every poll site will meet people of faith, lawyers in collers bring a different presence people challenging the challengers to people of color while in line to vote!
12:01:54 From Stan for the ChatPeople to Everyone:
Hooray!
12:03:04 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://www.glaad.org/blog/mark-burnett-gives-voice-insidious-anti-lgbt-coalition::
12:04:51 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:
The Flag and the Cross: White Christian Nationalism and the Threat to American Democracy Hardcover – April 1, 2022
by Philip S. Gorski
12:05:25 From Stan for the ChatPeople to Everyone:
Money and power… who has the most to gain by creating discord among communities??? Answer: the people who make and sell GUNS.
12:06:26 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Thoughts on Andrew Whitehead Samuel Perry, rejectors, resistors, accommodators, 59% in the middle spending serious time on webste and moral reasoning go to page on Christian Nationalism, verify truth, ordain democracy, teach empower, CROSS & THE FLAG book white evengelicalism danger of religious right, because of $/POWER, minority vocal mega church pastors telling dems in their congregations to leave, young white pastors speaking of voting rights./healing racism.climate change get death threats from their congrgations, cost to young ministers, Bonhoffer moment: German confessing movement in Germany a remnant church win people in the middle, had no idea what was happening to involke faith in the middle of it, FIGHT/DEFEAT white Christian nationalism!!! nuns young ministers have courage, you’ll know the truth and the truth will make you free, not right!
12:06:54 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://sojo.net/magazine/february-2018/bonhoeffer-moment:: (Racial Justice IS THIS A BONHOEFFER MOMENT? Lessons for American Christians from the Confessing Church in Germany. BY LORI BRANDT HALE, REGGIE L. WILLIAMS)
12:07:09 From Jim Enwright to Everyone:
A wave of sanity in a ocean of insanity.
12:07:26 From Stan for the ChatPeople to Everyone:
Fear,to hate, to violence… the method to use to sell more weapons!
12:07:39 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
what about the Opus Dei of the Catholic Curch & its influence on government & politics, especially on the judiciary (Supreme Court). Is anyone working on this problem?
12:08:34 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Freedom vs captivity to disinformation/lies/darkness taking nation to fear>hate>violence trajectory of our politics, neighborly love the cure? (know the truth-UNDERSTAND CLIMATE BREAKDOWN AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CHANGE CLIMATE CHANGE-imagine 1/3 of our country underwater as Pakistan is now from flooding)
12:09:23 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/philosopherszone/the-bonhoeffer-moment/11792864::
12:10:36 From Patty Blank to Everyone:
Please don’t forget the spiritual people!
12:10:55 From Connie and Andrew to Everyone:
Time to transform democracy by accessing higher frequencies envisioned by our founders - The Trust Frequency - In God We Trust - E Pluribus Unum. Jesus was a way-shower into this reality. John Lennon describes it in “Imagine” Henry David Thoreau gave tools in “Civil Disobedience.” It’s what’s up. This conversation is part of the process.
12:11:48 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://baptistnews.com/article/a-bonhoeffer-moment-finale-what-christianity-really-is/#.Y0g4aHbML4w:: ("the sixth and final installment in a series focused on certain “Bonhoeffer moments,” a demand for gospel courage and action arising amid our collective national angst, generated by a life-destroying pandemic, long-festering, near irreconcilable, religio-cultural, political, and racial fissures exacerbated by a presidential election, the ticking timebomb of climate chaos, and a discordant social media ethos so pervasive and siloed as to make truth increasingly elusive.")
12:12:08 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
JS: going to places controlled by others many are just going along, conforming to what pears are saying, when they think differently they question, now attracting rabbi's tearful conversations, a unifying healing younger generations joining Imams, black ministers, white Christians rediscovering the gospel, if you do not like the gospel go somewhere else, linking faiths to protect voters, longer term the foundation for a multiracial Democracy, many of no religion at all, drawn to moral language short term voter mission> long term foundation fo common good relationships the beloved
12:12:09 From Meg Newhouse to Everyone:
So inspiring! Especially the multi-faith, multi-racial, multigenerational (with emphasis on the young) aspects. How else would you reach the “none”s Oh you just addressed that.
12:12:31 From Dan Balcaban to Everyone:
it really comes down to creating macro communities. Faith is just another component and another type of community
12:12:56 From Stan for the ChatPeople to Everyone:
God Bless Democracy!!!
12:13:03 From Stan for the ChatPeople to Everyone:
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12:13:32 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
12:14:56 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://networklobby.org/catholics-speak-out-for-democracy-sign-on/:: ("As Catholic social justice leaders, sisters, clergy, theologians and Catholic university presidents, we are compelled to speak out at a time when democracy and the future of our nation’s freedoms are threatened by powerful interests. White Christian nationalism — an ideology heretical to authentic faith — represents a clear and present danger to building a multi-faith, multiracial democracy.")
12:15:32 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Ludwig Bonhoeffer major figure in the Council of Churches, knew his role belonged in Germany, Laws of Righteousness must transcend the laws of the state, plotted to assassinate Hitler, on toilet paper hung Easter Sunday 1944, COURAGEOUS!
12:15:37 From Connie and Andrew to Everyone:
Here are my thoughts on the subject “The Third Great Synthesis: A Prophecy for the Human Family” ::https://bit.ly/ThirdSynthesisProphecy22:: - the new physics is connecting us to our Pan-Indigenousness where we will align with Universal Law and bring Peace on Earth and Heaven to Earth.
12:16:30 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/people-faith-should-be-poll-workers-save-democracy:: (Oct. 2, 2022)
12:16:51 From Meg Newhouse to Everyone:
I like that Third Great Synthesis.
12:17:15 From Connie and Andrew to Everyone:
It’s not about “saving “ democracy- it’s about “transforming” what we are calling democracy.
12:21:02 From Meg Newhouse to Host and Panelists:
I’m a little concerned about not follow false gods. Although raised Protestant, I am very eclectic, including the eastern religious. So glad you are inter-faith now.
12:21:28 From Stan for the ChatPeople to Everyone:
With Love...
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12:21:28 From Meg Newhouse to Host and Panelists:
Thanks for coming back, Jim!!
12:21:30 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
JS: Black churches are calling for the full truth, white pastors are calculating the cost of speaking the truth, Bonhoeffer attended Baptist Church every Sunday, clack worship/music/theology, when Christ calls a person he bids him come and die, failed to stop the German church, America can not succeed without the churches, perhaps on American evangelicals are now stopping this voter suppression, The Cost OF Discipleship - Bonheoffer, to find our true faith again, RC Presbyterian...follower of Jesus not following false gods, Christian nationalism destroys christian witness, roadside bomb waiting to be detonated, 81% 2016, 84% in 2020 follow Trump, perilous to body politic to lives, collateral damage is huge, painful, scars have healed, no ill will to those who fired him, still stands for prison reform, caring for poor, today climate advocacy evengelicalism at its best, follow God's vision for planet and people interfaith, different than what he grew up with or practiced, it is transformed and real Thank you al
12:21:41 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/can-joe-biden-save-american-catholicism-from-the-far-right:: (by Paul Elei Jan 22, 2021)
12:22:23 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:
Yes, a blessing to share in this conversation today. Richard, thank you so much for sharing your journey of faith and the profound transformation you've been through.
12:22:31 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Interesting that we have such a devout Catholic for President in this moment!
12:22:46 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Christians vote.
12:23:21 From Charles Betterton to Everyone:
Thank you all for sharing this information, especially John, Jim, and Richard. So much to process here and act upon as guided.
12:23:30 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://www.ucanews.com/news/cardinal-calls-on-world-to-help-save-democracy-in-el-salvador/94047:: (September 08, 2021)
12:23:36 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Also Nancy Pelosi speaker of the House a Catholic. Where are the Catholics on this election?
12:24:10 From Jean Stevens to Everyone:
This conversation of the parallels of the German Christian Church and the White Nationalist Evangelicals should be discussed more broadly. I was unaware of the Ludwig Bonhoeffer story and his bravery. The parallels to WW 2 cannot be overlooked widely by journalists.
12:24:19 From Anahata Pomeroy to Host and Panelists:
Women, our time is here. Bring our family of rights with love to show up for justice and liberty for all.
12:24:47 From Stan for the ChatPeople to Everyone:
Anahata Pomeroy to Host and Panelists (12:24 PM)
Women, our time is here. Bring our family of rights with love to show up for justice and liberty for all.
12:25:20 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:
These sessions are wonderful - thank you both for joining today. I will be sharing this weeks's sessions. Thank you George and John, too and Jim, always.
12:25:35 From Katherine Augustine to Everyone:
We love the birds!!!!
12:25:55 From Aida Merriweather to Everyone:
My cat threw up all over the rug at the beginning
12:26:33 From Jean Stevens to Everyone:
Today, is the January 6 hearing with more brave democracy savers! We need to get their testimonies on the airwaves and not be overlooked.
12:26:35 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh-yBVE-vL0:: (4:28 Israel Vibration - My Master's Will | Official Music Video)
12:27:08 From Charles Betterton to Everyone:
"Remember our common destiny." -- George Cappannelli
12:27:42 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:
Such rich conversation. Thank you all!
12:27:44 From Anahata Pomeroy to Host and Panelists:
Blessings to your all presenting this essential info.
12:28:34 From Rita Marsh to Everyone:
@Jim G - Thank you for the introductory remarks. Calling on the indigenous voice and history is essential at this time.
12:28:38 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Brave thanks!
12:28:39 From Stan for the ChatPeople to Everyone:
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12:28:59 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
Thank you all SO much - such a powerful session!!
12:29:00 From Charry Stover to Everyone:
Potentially so incredibly transformative.
12:29:30 From Stan for the ChatPeople to Everyone:
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12:29:38 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/09/15/five-strategies-to-support-u.s.-democracy-pub-87918::
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