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11:01:38 From Frank M Tedesco to Everyone:
Rainy and cloudy in Tampa. yet a beautiful day in a beautiful world!
11:08:47 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Greetings from the unceded land of the Secwepemc now known as Kamloops BC. Bless us all as we rise from the lessons of the past into the loving inclusive healing One We Are.
11:12:49 From KATHERINE AUGUSTINE to Everyone:
Greetings ! Thank you for these updates and conversations. I moved to SC a few years ago and do my best to hold state for my many caring friends here. Many of us are in these states and perhaps can affect change from the inside out.
11:14:40 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
Yes, it is NOT about abortion. Making everyone a snitch is WAY more problematic! Thanks shelly.
11:19:36 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Shelly Alcorn: where we are relative to where we have been sanctioned by US Supreme Court of USA based on Texas bill: #1 who controls which bodies for what purpose, also bills related to first bill related to women’s autonomy Vigilantism long history in USA believing they could force their will on other citizens, current language: pols be vigilannt(Nod to vigilanti-ism) regulator movements in SC, revolutionary Virginia Xecutions on Torries (Gneral Lynch-lynchings root -gays targeted) moved west 1767-1910-326 episodes in wild west- endemic, law enforcement can deputize citizens to accomplish their goals, played out 1793 fugitive slave act-professionalized bounty hunting -turn in slaves to plantation owners, did not have to get right person-forced into labor and get bounty, push back and instead strengthened the laws, harsher punishments for aiding & abetting slaves avoiding capture-Underground railroad
11:22:14 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
"Another dimension to abortion that needs to be named at this time in history is the new appeal of authoritarianism or fascism. Susan Sontag defines fascism as “institutionalized violence.” Is this not what the new Texas laws are all about? Violence toward women and their bodies and their choices institutionalized by a law that skirts fifty years of established law? And encourages bounty hunters to make money chasing down pregnant women?" < access the whole entry by Fox here: ::https://dailymeditationswithmatthewfox.org/2021/09/05/abortion-and-authoritarianism/::
11:23:49 From Aida to Everyone:
remind me what does APL stand for
11:24:07 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
Do NOT use the word ‘elites’ - that word means educated and successful and THAT folks is US. Remember Russia and do not use that word.
11:24:17 From May Bartlett to Everyone:
American Protective League
11:24:28 From Aida to Everyone:
thank you
11:26:04 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
SA: 1930’s & 1950’s 1938 American Protective League-short lived with outsized impact-private citizens taking action against socially immoral citizens, rooting out radicals in 1039’s Germans, political activity-women who wanted right to vote, Seth Wheeler-Albany division ”APL mean little of nothing, but without it (became FBI) bureau of investigation would not have been able to investigate the activities of 250,000 secret activities, imperiled by foreign wars, patriotic citizens would always be willing to jump in to do their bit.” deployed patriotism to eliminate challenges to the economic order>elite , APL policed people for the economic order, Got badges, could not arrest but could support 35 groups , 2,300 military personnel, arrest 2,000 slackers avoiding the draft, demanded proof of citizenship of unworthy citizens, germans/jews/catholics/women, labor shortages in war demanded more rights> strikes> APL recedes FBI rises> Sen Joe McCarthy of Wisconsin Era in 1950’s …1960’s change>civil rights legislation
11:27:14 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Host and Panelists:
Richard, may I be able to capture the chat?
11:27:20 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
Yes, Leo!
11:27:40 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
I wish we could copy….
11:29:02 From Richard Buckley to Stanley Pokras Pokras, Host and Panelists:
We have notified zoom of the problem. If you cannot save I will promote you to do so.
11:29:43 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Host and Panelists:
Thank you.
11:31:23 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
SA: 1954 Brown vs Board of Ed ended school segregation, 1965 couples could use contraception 1967 interracial couples could marry, 1963 Roe vs Wade-where bodies study, used, marry>>>CONTROL & SOCIAL SANCTION, 1960’s women could open a checking account, 1974 women own credit card in their own name removing gender as a condition of credit, women continued to be discriminated against, due process clause of 14th amendment in Civil War, Black codes former Southern states limiting rights of blacks, basis for Roe V Wade civil rights legislation, VIGILANTI’s did not stop, mexican border in 1980’s to stop undocumented immigrants, in US still groups armed and acting extra judiciously, women, immigrants, BIPOC, first decade of 21st century Minute Men groups on the border against undocumented people, related 1990’s 12,000 illegal immigrant between > 2006, Arizona Recon, in 2000’s in US many laws passed to legitimized these activities
11:34:54 From Katie Winer to Everyone:
Hello from Austin Texas. I have never been so alive with fight and passion as I am these past months. Aside from my career work, I feel immersed in the cause of creating shift in this state. This vigilante concept feels so relevant.
11:35:55 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
Who provides the bounty money?
11:37:45 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
SA: TODAY: Trumpism & the Cults of Trump was a top down attempt to control the pollution to force will on US Citizens> soft/hard coup >>>metastasizing at state level quickly dangerously - voting rights egregious, accompanied with assault on BIPOC/Women : too many people have a voice, right people resist the others, TEXAS relates to vigilantism, prohibits abortion after 6 weeks, many women do not even know they are pregnant, pseudo scientific theory of the heartbeat bill NO HEART BEAT at 6 weeks, the women’s heartbeat running through the tissue, no exception for rape/incest, slight protection for proving you will die, $10,000 bounty for people in Texas proved to have aided/abetted the woman in trouble, post pandemic era, so many needing $, law gives people $10K to report women who getting bounty, sue saying this person aided and get the $ from the person who helped the aborting woman, IMAGINE 35 woman with unexpected pregnancy talk about a choice to have an abortion, anyone who overheard could be a bounty hunt
11:40:27 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
::https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/matthew+/FMfcgzGljlgXGwdVTpdhBrZWQSznncXw::
11:42:56 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
SA: not clear if limited to Texas, incentives reporting on neighbor/friend, US Supreme Court, passed, on shadow docket can’t stop bill from going into effect individual citizens enforcing the law not the state, decided not to rule because it was complicated, who had standing from taking place, wait until an individual citizen does this, defect now law in Texas will remain until someone figures out the bounty hunter part, even though have a long history of bounty hunting, FL & SD already following, Mississippi next? TEXAS bills: teaching about race in schools CRITICAL RACE THEORY, in response to Black Lives Matter, SB8 affect women of color and low income women needing abortion to box people in, 1 teacher and 1 admin must do civics training, equal time to both sides, students not to be instructed about 1619 project when slavery came to US< deviation from American principles, prohibits students getting extra credit for political activities, parent must have access to petals of civics training, parents can sue,
11:43:33 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
should we be concerned for all the women who in 2016 saw Clinton as a bigger "threat" than Trump (those who didn't vote, voted for Jill Stein or even Trump)? Or is it important that humans suffer consequences from choices, so they can learn & grow?
11:43:42 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
Thankful business can post that weapons can not be brought into stores.
11:44:38 From Jean Stevens to Everyone:
This is a fantastic discussion on the legal history of vigilantism! Aug 31 USA departs Afghanistan and on Sept 1 the Texas anti-abortion law goes into effect. Trillions of dollars dumped into Afghanistan, for 20 years by American taxpayers, with the bogus female human rights, freedom of press, education and the terrorist reasoning for the invasion.
11:46:51 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
Monies have also been cut from rape crisis centers.
11:48:32 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
Karen Ball, the mail.google link you provided goes to my own gmail account. Did you mean to post a different link?
11:48:56 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
The poor personally
11:49:00 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
SA: Permitless carry for firearms >21 can carry guns with no permit/license, voter suppression pole watchers, (intimidation) felony for Feds to distribute Main in ballots even for those who qualify, suppress vote, unlimited use/carry of guns, teach right things teachers, crack down on women, did not like 60”s 70’s civil rights legislation, women RIGHT NOW talking about seeking reproductive services, chilling on 1st amendment, assemble/speach/trust/tunr in/force me to remain pregnant & give birth/who gets $/what happens to women>>>{ERA PASS IT PLEASE} deep of Justice women can not be physically beat, Nancy Pelosi will protect Roe V Wade-Senate saying they will filibuster, OCTOBER @ PROTEST FOR WOMEN 2 days before Supreme Court reconvenes, sisterhood for $/Resources get women out of Texas, {POPULATION} TRUMP Justice Rally for those attacked the capitol, white supremicists may not be a big deal Representatioves may show up on September 18 Justice for J6, History/political movements/personal impact
11:52:02 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Shelly, oh. Oh my dear woman. Thank you for sharing your story with us. I know.
11:53:09 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Everyone:
Richard, can you please let me capture the chat.
11:55:35 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
What is Rovey Wade? Sorry to not know…
11:55:57 From Richard Buckley to Stanley Pokras Pokras, Host and Panelists:
I will promote you towards the end of the session. I just checked with zoom. Not fixed.
11:56:15 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
SA: botched abortions for women, 1967 ruling her mom could get contraception on her own without husband’s permission, {Women controlling their own families combined with girls education is the #1 Climate solution} at 27 terribly emotionally/psychologically trying pregnancy, forced to go all the way, sick the entire time, lost 12 pounds in first trimester, induced labor, 3 hours from there to deliver, announced in hospital not ever doing this again> not risking her life/risking care for that child by birthing others, 3 years going every 3 months asking to have her tubes tied, OBGYN demanded that the husband come in to get approval for OBGYN give permission for tubaligation, in the event of accidental pregnancy, had the choice when that moment came, in TEXAS WOMEN NOW MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL OWN BODIES, want to reverse Roe V Wade then interracial marriage, equal rights, civil rights that they do not want STATE OF PLAY>>>TERRIFYING> ABANDONED BY US SUPREME COURT, Now we fight/protoect/organize honor dignity
11:56:34 From Kathleen McTeigue to Everyone:
Thank you for sharing your personal story, Shelly, and for putting the whole issue in context.
11:56:39 From Leo Jacoby to Everyone:
::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade::
11:57:06 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
AND this from a pro life group on Roe V Wade: YIKES! ::https://adflegal.org/defeatroe/donate?sourcecode=10016058_r500&utm_source=grant&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=Roe-v-Wade&gclid=Cj0KCQjwm9yJBhDTARIsABKIcGbG7GFQnSFk8_glbgE4aiHf3MtXMDbYnvY0Pk8ksXIHOsNkvaX19I8aAidEEALw_wcB::
11:57:44 From Hilary Van Welter to Everyone:
There is nothing like a personal story to support a powerful and compelling call to action Shelly.Deep Thanks!
11:59:09 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Bold truth telling, Shelly, thank you for your careful historical Xamination, pulling together the trends and future possibilities.
11:59:42 From Lesley Southwick-Trask to Everyone:
Such a powerful weaving of facts, history, context and your own personal story. You have definitely taken what I witness as news into a powerful call to action. I bow to your wisdom, intellect and courage.
12:01:54 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
We need to pass the For the people act.
12:02:21 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Everyone:
Who funds this kind of suppressing of democracy? Guess who makes more money when people are provoked to hate each other?
12:02:37 From Jane Norton to Everyone:
Where are the consequences for the men who impregnate women and girls with an unwanted pregnancy? especially in the case of rape and incest.
12:03:01 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
no consequences for the men
12:03:22 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
JG: copy cat laws? SA: Republican legislators pushing anti autonomy bills, with SOTUS a bit of a break, TEXAS the first total it away completely with SOTUS ignoring> incentives fast action, Mississippi case that might overturn Roe V Wade case protecting abortion rights, voter suppression/women’s rights bills, JG: capacity of US Federal Government to do anything about this? National level with Federal legislation? If Dems do not remover filibuster nothing will change, Senators already signaling will not support filibuster reform, (state’s rights), Supreme Court during Trump administration has been stacked, Justice has been lack luster, BOUNTY HUNTING is not a good thing to have, Money for informing on our neighbors, confused?
12:04:15 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
I live in San Antonio and organize with the Poor Peoples campaign
12:04:21 From Jean Stevens to Everyone:
Roe vs Wade was a Supreme Court decision circa 1974 for women to have a legal abortion.
12:04:22 From Susan Ellison to Everyone:
will there be a recording of this available?
12:04:23 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Everyone:
If having a child is mandated by law, can the law be required to support the child for life.
12:04:55 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Everyone:
NO... not the political groups. It's the WEAPON MAKERS....
12:06:17 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
JG: Who is funding this? power brokers? SA: Republican PACS, right to life groups privately, TEXAS is a purple state, close to flipping Democratic, discourage anyone from moving to Texas who might be liberal-control through women, making Texas safe for Republicans, SA: no consequences for men, (For each 9 month pregnancy 1 woman can produce 1 pregnancy, 1 man could produce 270 pregnancies)
12:06:53 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
SA: Men are afraid of being laughed at, Women anywhere are afraid of being murdered
12:07:46 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
It is a drive to maintain the status quo for the elite.
12:08:14 From Candy Leonard to Everyone:
More like a return to the ante-status quo
12:08:45 From Katie Winer to Everyone:
I'd love to speak for a moment and check in about living in Texas as a woman at this time.
12:09:04 From Joy Gilfilen to Everyone:
What is the underlying motive for the rich authoritarians? Has anyone done any research into "follow the money" --- and who gets benefits from children being born? Who gets the money from all the medical benefits from a raped person? From the social costs and taxpayers costs of building welfare systems that continue to be co-dependent when a child who is not cared for, and when a mother who cannot get back into the workforce --- what is the long-term economic ripple effects?
12:10:57 From Joy Gilfilen to Everyone:
I am not insensitive to all the political issues, the human emotional issues, the human rights issues. I am simply asking where all the money flows in the end.
12:11:59 From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Everyone:
One aspects of this phenomenon is that the item in the Bill of Rights pertaining to the separation of church & state has been completely forgotten.
12:12:00 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
JG: Christofascism, attack on women, BIPOC, Earth, alliance between white evangelical Christians and Republicans maintaining filibuster in Senate, radiating to Republican regions actively mobilizing for the suppression of Democracy itself, SA: bible used to justify slavery/abortion/civil rights, coopted by political/economic interests, alliance with ultra religious people for cover”God” evangelicals are being used, religious dictated to to serve a GOD authoritarianism is built in DNA, substitute politician for deity, follow laws of church/priest/ same instinct religious fundamentalism accompanies substitutes follow trained to follow cult leader who knows better than they do, hyper complex society people alarmed into medieval terrifying things defaulting to preenlightenment philosophy, structural
12:12:31 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Everyone:
The more weapons there are the more hate there is, the more money the weapons makers make.
12:16:01 From Jean Stevens to Everyone:
Yes Stanley! The reflection of a country that spends 50 to 70% of its treasury for nuclear weapons and the military industrial complex which is also ruled predominately by white, male, pale men.
12:16:09 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
If you can’t afford to get an abortion, you cannot afford to raise a child.
12:16:11 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Katie Winer: TEXAS WOMAN, shocked, fight in Austin, capitol, legislators stormed out to slow it but did not stop it ultimately, “disgusting” legal situation, vigilantism, redistricting testified to help, Austin a gerrymandered city, Dems have no representation in Texas, long standing concept/dynamic going on for many decades, validates feeling of lack of safety, where have we just rebound to?, who’s carrying a gun, racist, privileged white lady with care and $ could drive to New Mexico, BIPOC women not being spoken to at national level, redistricting suggesting?
12:16:41 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
Katie, do you know Stephanie Swanson in Austin?
12:17:36 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
Stephanie is with the League of Women voters and is working on redistricting.
12:18:45 From Candy Leonard to Everyone:
Why are men so afraid of women?
12:19:31 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
I lived in Austin for 18 years. so-called libs/progressives are more interested in attending UT football games than attending protests
12:20:00 From Candy Leonard to Everyone:
Maybe we need a women’s strike
12:20:45 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Everyone:
Please, Shelly... Help build the network relationships through OtherNetowks.org
12:21:07 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
Candy, read “Intimate Strangers” by Lillian Rubin to better understand that.
12:21:08 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
Get involved with the Poor Peoples Campaign and Moms Demand Action
12:21:31 From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Everyone:
Katie, as an African American, who also happens to be President of the Association for Humanistic Psychology, we can provide a platform for discussion on our AHP Conversation series. Our Executive Director is based in Austin, TX (Bob McGreary). Get in touch with him.
12:21:47 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
Abbott
12:22:03 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
abbotts approval has dropped
12:22:11 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
JG: atmosphere in Texas? from outside in, what is the neighborhood conversation? Shocked internally in Texas KW: Austin progressives feeling powerless/angry/incensed/scared/exhausted/ 6 districts and only 1 Austin Democrat in heavily Democratic district, conflict, no one in favor of what is happening, (Legislation without representation?) SA: maddening, frustrating, terrifying> who can we trust/talk to, establishing mistrust, no longer able to advocate in public place, many women support what is happening in Texas, 70% of women in US do support bodily autonomy, so much worse than overturning Roe V Wade, additional poisonous parts of this legislation> spreading horrifying, SORRY, there are lots of us getting together to do something about this did the dog catch the car so disgusting provoking backlash that is needed right now, but people are down/scared let’s backlash! (Could we have a women’s day off-no work, no child/elder care, no services, no domestic chores?) Gregg Abbot: power hungry playing primary28%
12:22:12 From Candy Leonard to Everyone:
@Kathryn I read it years ago. I’m a sociologist and she’s had a great impact on me.
12:22:22 From Aida to Everyone:
Angeles Arrien might say the spread of poison that does need to happen— as a way of facing the energy, but not adding fear fuel to the fire that would make action seem futile
12:22:56 From Aida to Everyone:
I meant “that’s a story that doesn’t need to happen. sorry
12:23:04 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
Candy - seminal for me as well. That separation is SO huge and boys go through it all be themselves - with NO support!
12:23:14 From Marilyn Schramm to Everyone:
Abbott's not worried about re-election, because TX has one of the worst voting rates in US
12:23:39 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Everyone:
Richard... Isn't it time now?
12:24:15 From Karen Ball to Everyone:
Push at the federal level!
12:24:53 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
SW: not winning putting kids in danger with not allowing kids to wear masks, fighting against anyone for the sake of a fight radical approach to the world, JG: 72% do not support/are neutral, what do you need to support what you are doing? KW: mention Texas (#TexasWomenWeSeeYou) do not relax with a Democratic president, most important time to focus on redistricting, in purple states with representation fight against cheaters/cons to taking power
12:24:57 From Candy Leonard to Everyone:
Katie have you ever thought about running for office?
12:25:30 From Ina Albert to Everyone:
Ina Albert to Panelists and Attendees: WATCH MONTANA
12:26:24 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
So no to sex. Just an idea...
12:26:29 From Dehanna Rice to Host and Panelists:
Thank you Shelly for this powerful presentation…you are terrific!😘🙏🌎
12:27:22 From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Everyone:
Shannon?????
12:27:27 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Host and Panelists:
Thank you, Richard!
12:27:35 From Janel Joseph to Host and Panelists:
Katie - I just moved from Austin Texas to Colorado after 21 years. I will support anyone with a room and a plane ticket.
12:27:37 From Dehanna Rice to Host and Panelists:
Touché Blessings
12:27:40 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
SA: get involved, speak up, support planned parenthood/Indivisible, be engaged in redistricting, minority executing will over majority street by street for control, support Black Lives Matter, This is a marathon taking hits for 40 years, now is not the time to think it is over, VOTE< REGISTER VOTERS< Support women in your life, support women to help each other, with any of our resources, UNDERGROUND for women needing us, you will not push us back with medieval consciousness, Take a breath figure things out, move forward
12:28:14 From Dehanna Rice to Host and Panelists:
Thx Jim! Cheers
12:28:20 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Katie #TexasWomenWeSeeYou thank you for your brae hearted advocacy!
12:28:29 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Let’s talk about this in the AfterChat…
12:28:49 From Kathleen Thurmond to Host and Panelists:
What’s an after chat?
12:28:52 From Candy Leonard to Everyone:
@Shannon could you put the afterchat link in the chat? Thanks
12:28:53 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
.oOo..
You can join the After Chat here:
::https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09::
Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451
Passcode: 919541
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12:29:18 From Jean Stevens to Host and Panelists:
Thank you everyone!
12:29:19 From Shelly Alcorn to Everyone:
Thank you everyone
12:29:19 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
JG: tomorrow what is man? BIPOC? Democratic supporters being actively suppressed by white men
12:29:23 From Stanley Pokras Pokras to Host and Panelists:
You can join the Zoom Meeting
::https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09::
Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451
Passcode: 919541
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12:29:24 From Shannon McArthur to Everyone:
Thank you all for being here!
12:29:28 From Kat Haber to Everyone:
Thanks everyone!
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