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Jane M to Panelists and Attendees (11:05 AM)
Jim, where was that piece recorded ?
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (11:08 AM)
Welcome George.
Jane Norton to Panelists and Attendees (11:09 AM)
Volume is not very loud.
Jim Garrison to Panelists and Attendees (11:10 AM)
Marijke, this is wonderful news. Can you send me details?
Need to turn up your volume
Richard Buckley to Panelists and Attendees (11:10 AM)
It is the highest audio now. Try turning the volume up on your device.
Veronika Krejci to Panelists and Attendees (11:10 AM)
Jane: You can raise volume on your laptop
Mine volume is ok now
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (11:11 AM)
Please include Attendees here in the chat so we can see what you say. Thank you so much; good to be present with you.
Jane M to Panelists and Attendees (11:11 AM)
My Volume is o.k. This is Jane M.
Davidson to Panelists and Attendees (11:16 AM)
A well balanced team of seasoned men and women. Following keenly from the hinterland of E. Africa
Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees (11:16 AM)
Good morning Team Awesome!
Veronika Krejci to Panelists and Attendees (11:21 AM)
How do you spell yatico?
Debra Kaiser to Panelists and Attendees (11:22 AM)
Wetiko
Veronika Krejci to Panelists and Attendees (11:22 AM)
Debra: thanks :)
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (11:28 AM)
oh, this is so rich! Thank you, Jim.
Jane Norton to Panelists and Attendees (11:28 AM)
Please add board game info
KATHERINE AUGUSTINE to Panelists and Attendees (11:29 AM)
Wow wonderful - thanks Michael
Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees (11:32 AM)
Michael, thank you for that. There’s another group that’s working with SEEDS: Regenerative Economies who recently had a Renaissance Explorers assembly - an invitation to co-design Regenerative Civilizations. I invite EVERYONE to check out their 15 min. discussion and to see whether there’s any potential to align or collaborate….::https://youtu.be/KHdQCAo87Iw::
David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees (11:32 AM)
Sally Weintrobe, a well-known British psychoanalyst, has just released a very interesting book that addresses many of the psychological bases of our current predicament: “Psychological Roots fo the Climate Crisis: Neoliberal Exceptionalism and the Culture of Uncare.” It’s available, perhaps with a discount, via ::https://www.sallyweintrobe.com/::
KATHERINE AUGUSTINE to Panelists and Attendees (11:33 AM)
Love that - echo tone - zone of change!
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (11:33 AM)
ecotone…
yes!
David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees (11:34 AM)
To find personal sanity and peace one must be prepared to let go of everything
Davidson to Panelists and Attendees (11:36 AM)
Ecotone as we use it in peace work means dividers between peoples
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (11:37 AM)
per Google: An ecotone is a transition area between two biological communities, where two communities meet and integrate. It may be narrow or wide, and it may be local (the zone between a field and forest) or regional (the transition between forest and grassland ecosystems).
so it pertains to the physical fringes as well. Thank you, Davidson.
KATHERINE AUGUSTINE to Panelists and Attendees (11:42 AM)
Yes the medicine, Amen
Jane M to Panelists and Attendees (11:51 AM)
That is where true compassion is at work.
Krispin Sullivan to Panelists and Attendees (12:03 PM)
Wendell Berry, from What are People For?-
HEALING
I
The grace that is the health of creatures can only be held in common.
In healing the scattered members come together.
In health the flesh is graced, the holy enters the world.
II
The task of healing is to respect oneself as a creature, no more and no less.
A creature is not a creator, and cannot be. There is only one Creation, and we are its members.
To be creative is only to have health: to keep oneself fully alive in the Creation, to keep the Creation fully alive in oneself, to see
the Creation anew, to welcome one's part in it anew.
The most creative works are all strategies of this health.
Works of pride, by self-called creators, with their premium on originality, reduce the Creation to novelty-the faint surprises of minds incapable of wonder.
Pursuing originality, the would-be creator works alone. In loneliness one assumes a responsibility for oneself that one cannot fulfill.
Novelty is a new kind of loneliness.
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:06 PM)
Good to see you, George, and all - you’re alive!
Wetiko is aka Wendigo, I believe.
Marilyn Schramm to Panelists and Attendees (12:08 PM)
why are some subject to getting the wetiko virus and others seem to be immune to it/
MEPI Kenya to Panelists and Attendees (12:08 PM)
Thank you so much. Indeed you are a great combination. DAILOGUE is the the sure route to Re-creation and re-generation. In the Scriptures, we see the Triune God conversing. Then He creates man and gives him a female counterpart with whom he can dialogue (Genesis 1:26,27).
Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees (12:08 PM)
The virus of the mind seems to be the fear that stems from feeling separate. The cure is connection…
David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees (12:09 PM)
“Wetiko,” it seems to me, describes the emergence of the negative opposite from the collective unconscious when the archetype of wholeness and awakening is activated. This activation is accompanied by acute anxiety and is happening all over the world now. Sadly, in the hyperindividualistic world we’ve created, fear of acknowledging our whole Self, both the warts and the great, mysterious beauty of our Being and connection to Source (Oneness), leads to projection and a powerful eruption of participation mystique. This accounts for the widespread flight into nihilistic fantasy, uncaring, and an involuntary gloaming onto one or another charismatic cult leader, like, e.g., our former President.
Jane M to Panelists and Attendees (12:12 PM)
Wel said Celeste.
Sandra Bass to Panelists and Attendees (12:12 PM)
Thanks for raising that Celeste.
Peter Engberg to Panelists and Attendees (12:12 PM)
Could we invite some of the indigenous Elders to speak about Wetiko - from their own experience of it?
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:12 PM)
Well said, Celeste - we have choice in every moment.
Jim Garrison to Panelists and Attendees (12:13 PM)
Link to a powerful course which will feature dialogue: ::https://www.ubiquityuniversity.org/courses/virtual-dialectica-the-shapeshifting-of-gender-and-sexuality/::
Sandra Bass to Panelists and Attendees (12:13 PM)
Wonderful Michael!
Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees (12:13 PM)
- https://americatalks.us/:: A Weekend of Connection in the Midst of Deep Division
June 12th & 13th, 2021
Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees (12:14 PM)
AND emotions
YAY Leo - thanks! I was SO grateful to Kurt for sharing that yesterday. The dialogue is amazing!!!
George Vigileos to Panelists and Attendees (12:15 PM)
The illusion of separateness and the fear that accompanies it can only be healed by the experience of love in the sense of harmonising with the true essence of being, experiencing that in the body, heart and illuminate the mind with that light
Jane M to Panelists and Attendees (12:16 PM)
Humilty is required as a starting point. those of us who are sitting in the place of privilege need to begin first and foremost with humility and compassion.
David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees (12:18 PM)
Thanks, George, well said. Sometimes (often?) one has to pass through a dark night of the soul to reach that Love.
Marilyn Schramm to Panelists and Attendees (12:18 PM)
So, is the vaccine for wetiko to simply offer compassion? Is there anything more that can be done by those NOT infected?
Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees (12:18 PM)
I just took a wonderful weekend workshop, which I learned about here on HR, with Andrew Harvey and “V” formerly known as Eve Ensler of the Vagina Monologues. It was beautiful, raw, cathartic. His site may be a good place for others to connect to his work and the workshops he offers….::https://www.andrewharvey.net/::
Jean Stevens to Panelists and Attendees (12:18 PM)
Humility and to deep think about where the money is being spent globally which may cause extinction.
Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Panelists and Attendees (12:19 PM)
LOVE and helpfulness work wonders... When we “work it”… On this Special Day, let’s start practicing this psycho-somatic-spiritual Meditation that can greatly help, In just 8 minutes: ::https://youtu.be/noUBgVogMw4::. “Peace in Everything, Everything with Peace” will reverberate throughout the day… making it the focus and bringing us more peace and for ‘others.’ Be the PeaceMaker radiating Peace.
Marilyn Schramm to Panelists and Attendees (12:20 PM)
yes, so how to spread a healthy psychic immune system?
Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees (12:20 PM)
Wow, great analogy George!
Peter Engberg to Panelists and Attendees (12:20 PM)
Is this whole virus rigged?
I.e. are we all victims?
Or are there exceptions?
Jane M to Panelists and Attendees (12:21 PM)
Yes ultimately we also need to engage in sacred ACTIVISM.
Jean Stevens to Panelists and Attendees (12:21 PM)
Yes George, we must speak up!
David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees (12:23 PM)
Fear is the key
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:24 PM)
radical idea ;)
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:24 PM)
love it!
George Vigileos to Panelists and Attendees (12:25 PM)
Cultivating hope through faith - opening our will to that of the sacred, needs to be part of the recipe…no hope, no imagination or creativity, which is what we need right now
Jane M to Panelists and Attendees (12:25 PM)
Seems like we have arrived at this conclusion before.
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:26 PM)
a good conclusion comes from many sources
Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees (12:26 PM)
Yes Tom!
Jane M to Panelists and Attendees (12:26 PM)
Yes thank goodness Shannon.
Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees (12:26 PM)
Nice Shannon!
Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees (12:27 PM)
from ‘I see you mara...’ to ’I see you… ‘(today is continuation day Vesak of Buddha, still engaging on this wisdom!
Jane Norton to Panelists and Attendees (12:27 PM)
Yes, many of these young people are more evolved already!
Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Panelists and Attendees (12:27 PM)
As an African American, I know that “inner work” is very important for “outer actions”. And yet, there are “race-linked systems” in place, held in place by individual & collective race-linked projections, that cannot be minimized as these projections have real impact on the lives of folk like me.
Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees (12:27 PM)
Stunted our thinking!
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:29 PM)
We were sent by our Greater Self to do this work now. We were designed to make humanity ready for the change WE want - WE are One with our ancestors and our descendants.
Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees (12:29 PM)
cf. Daniel Goleman's "Guard Dog" and "Wise Owl" used in SEL - Social and emotional Learning. ::https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/829.Daniel_Goleman/blog?page=2:: (See July 24, 2017 blog entry)
Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees (12:29 PM)
We are diamonds, with many facets, yet one gem.
George Vigileos to Panelists and Attendees (12:29 PM)
Yes Tom, thanks. The youth, who are the key of the future community need for us to demonstrate hope is real, and peace is possible
Me to All panelists and other attendees (12:30 PM)
Dear Chat People and Panelists, please forgive me for brining up something that can't be addressed today... but that think is important...
In pondering the premise of the group assembled as "The Dialogues" I noticed this paragraph in the Ubiquity description of this session:
"Each dialogue will be centered around a question framed by one of our participants. And each question will begin with the phrase - "In The Face of…. “ followed by the topic itself and then by a request for insights, perspective and proposed solutions that can address the challenge. "
Me to All panelists and other attendees (12:31 PM)
At the same time, I recall learning about the Doctrine of Discovery in Humanity Rising's Episode 46 with John Montgomery's talk where he calls for a civilization based on Love. Once saying that we need a civilization based on Love, he proceeded to explain the Doctrine of Discovery which declared that "white European male christians were the superior humans." I really appreciate learning about this... I'd never heard of it before.
THIS MAKES ME ASK: what sort of dialog would come about if people started a conversation: "IN THE FACE OF…. “ followed by the topic made clear in this Ted Talk (among others) on the Doctrine of Discovery:
We the People' - the three most misunderstood words in US history | Mark Charles | TEDxTysons]
Me to All panelists and other attendees (12:31 PM)
I don't know what else to say... perhaps asking the question can prove to be useful in some way... Will we be able to realize the spirit of unity the panelists are referring to today by pondering this question? And learning to SEE EACH Other?
I've collected additional resources about the Doctrine of Discovery here:
Stan Pokras
stan@othernetworks.org
Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees (12:31 PM)
individuality AND socialty
Jean Stevens to Panelists and Attendees (12:31 PM)
The twin laugh of the day!
Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Panelists and Attendees (12:32 PM)
Larry, I am 1 minute older than my identical twin, he’s a “Trumper” and I have a selfie with Bernie Sanders… He said he felt what I get on ‘my’ hijacked plane in 1977.
Marilyn Schramm to Panelists and Attendees (12:33 PM)
yes, we need to DOMESTICATE our fears. but how?
Marilyn Schramm to Panelists and Attendees (12:34 PM)
how to teach equanimity?
George Vigileos to Panelists and Attendees (12:34 PM)
Although every leaf of a tree sees the light in a different way, they all feed the tree itself. Our individuality is but the journey which eventually enriches and transforms us on the way back to Ithaca
Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Panelists and Attendees (12:34 PM)
Marilyn, Meditation helps tremendously.
David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees (12:34 PM)
Left hemisphere dominated thinking = “either or” and deals with positive affect. Right hemisphere thinking = “both and” (complementarity), balance and access to heart consciousness
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:34 PM)
Marilyn, that’s the purpose of the brain (or one of the purposes) it takes INTENTION.
Marilyn Schramm to Panelists and Attendees (12:35 PM)
Kurt, agree -- helps me, but how to get all to meditate?
but the wetiko virus has led to a disdain toward science!
franka to Panelists and Attendees (12:37 PM)
Come to the AfterChat!
David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees (12:37 PM)
But right hemisphere deals with negative affect and dealing with that opens the door to heart consciousness .
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:37 PM)
Dialogue is vital - without it, action can be counter-productive.
Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees (12:37 PM)
(spelling correction: socialality) Here's a rap: ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqiZ3r_pCmQ::
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:37 PM)
nice, Michael!!
MEPI Kenya to Panelists and Attendees (12:38 PM)
Lovely piece, @Michael!
Jane M to Panelists and Attendees (12:38 PM)
Yes Yes Celeste.
franka to Panelists and Attendees (12:39 PM)
Ubuntu:
"I see you therefore I am."
Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Panelists and Attendees (12:39 PM)
Thank you Celeste for the comment. Very much appreciated.
MEPI Kenya to Panelists and Attendees (12:40 PM)
Yes, Celeste, all Humanity arose from here in East Africa where I am seated.
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:40 PM)
We were created to create.
Me to All panelists and other attendees (12:40 PM)
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With love...
Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session.
You can join the After Chat here:
Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451
Passcode: 919541
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Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:40 PM)
and connect!!
Marilyn Schramm to Panelists and Attendees (12:40 PM)
yes, thanks for talking about WHAT TO DO next
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:40 PM)
LET’S CONNECT IN THE AFTERCHAT!!
David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees (12:41 PM)
thanks, Celeste, for a beautiful example of positive participation mystique, our ancient mode of consciousness.
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:41 PM)
The Third Harmony, movie
Me to All panelists and other attendees (12:42 PM)
Thank you, Tom for noticing my question...
Jane M to Panelists and Attendees (12:45 PM)
Reminds me of the Course in Miracles...do you want to be right or do you want to have peace?
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:45 PM)
Such good news: The Third Harmony is That film is now the main component of a whole project by that name: film, book, and board game. Thanks for telling me, Michael, now everyone knows. ;) bless you!
Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Panelists and Attendees (12:47 PM)
Two wings of the bird… Intellectual understanding AND a Direct Experience!
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:47 PM)
the experience of dialogue has been wonderful; thank you, George, for sharing yours.
Richard Buckley to Panelists and Attendees (12:48 PM)
Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Panelists and Attendees (12:49 PM)
Please feel feel free to come to the AfterChat. Love to collaborate and dialogue with you more. :)
MEPI Kenya to Panelists and Attendees (12:49 PM)
I am putting together a project getting people to dialogue across religions (Christians, Moslems, Buddhists, etc) for enhancing integration and cohesion in Kenya. Happy to maximise on connectors and minimise dividers. My email is: elgon.peace@gmail.com
Mt. Elgon Peace Initiative (::https://www.peaceinsight.org/en/organisations/mepi/::)
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:50 PM)
MEPI, will you come to AfterChat? We can all dialogue!
What reality do you want to support?
Marilyn Schramm to Panelists and Attendees (12:51 PM)
how can you dialogue with people living in an alternate reality?
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:51 PM)
1) don’t argue! 2) love them anyway; they are part of the One We Are.
Kala to Panelists and Attendees (12:52 PM)
What is the name of the Harmony project Larry spoke about?
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:52 PM)
their experience/POV is important too.
Marilyn Schramm to Panelists and Attendees (12:52 PM)
Shannon, why do you equate dialogue with argument?
Sandra Bass to Panelists and Attendees (12:52 PM)
Yes! Exactly Jim.
MEPI Kenya to Panelists and Attendees (12:52 PM)
@Marilyn, my project does not seek to 'convert' but to create understanding of one another
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:52 PM)
I don’t.
Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net to Panelists and Attendees (12:52 PM)
Non-violent communications… Citizen Diplomacy, Neighborliness!
Jean Stevens to Panelists and Attendees (12:52 PM)
“McCarthy” on American Experience via PBS this week an important and chilling document of the history of lies in the USA.
Jane M to Panelists and Attendees (12:52 PM)
"Experiencing"...similar example from Findhorn eg. "Game of Transformation".
Jane Norton to Panelists and Attendees (12:52 PM)
Yes, Jim, a continued discussion would be appreciated.
MEPI Kenya to Panelists and Attendees (12:52 PM)
Appreciate diversity
Marilyn Schramm to Panelists and Attendees (12:54 PM)
how to dialogue in a POST-TRUTH world?
Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees (12:54 PM)
I would love to see this group meet monthly or bi-monthly
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:54 PM)
Is that how you experience it, Marilyn?
Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees (12:54 PM)
I think it could offer not only dialogue but therapy for many of us
Richard Buckley to Panelists and Attendees (12:54 PM)
MEPI Kenya to Panelists and Attendees (12:55 PM)
We are not seeking to proof who is right or wrong as far as faith matters are concerned. Our overriding objective is to achieve national cohesion and a peaceful society, esp as we brace towards a general election in a year.
Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:55 PM)
Great project, MEPI!!
Public Health - How do we take care of the One We Are?
Jane M to Panelists and Attendees (12:56 PM)
Would love to have a greater discussion on Forgiveness. thanks for this today.
Me to All panelists and other attendees (12:56 PM)
You can join the After Chat here:
Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451
Passcode: 919541
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MEPI Kenya to Panelists and Attendees (12:56 PM)
Our country has a history of pre- and post-election violence (sadly the USA too in the recent past). We want to reverse this
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