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Text of the Zoom Chat from HR Day 113:


From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:03 AM) Good Morning From: the woods of North Carolina

From: Jen Forti (11:05 AM) Blessings From: Portland, OR : From: Sharon Truax (11:07 AM) Stronger every day!

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From: Sharon Truax (11:08 AM) Yes, we were out of control. It has to be a change in consciousness.

From: Nienke van Bezooijen (11:09 AM) thanks Stan

From: Shannon McArthur (11:09 AM) Thank you Stan! Ladies and gentlemen, please change the To to include attendees when you chat… We’d love to know what you think, and to engage with you here!

From: Diane Skidmore (11:09 AM) Hi Everyone. Blessings to all. Please remember to change your message to - To All panelists and attendees

From: Shannon McArthur (11:09 AM) Thanks, Diane ; From: Sharon Truax (11:09 AM) and a few good men. Blessings to all

From: Diane Skidmore (11:10 AM)

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From: Shannon McArthur (11:10 AM) Sorry, Jim, you cannot abdicate… you must just step aside and let us step up… we must be invited and enjoyed. Let us have fun together...

From: Nienke van Bezooijen (11:10 AM) indeed it is Jim!

From: Daniel Rieders (11:10 AM) I would exit dominator society for a month

From: Shannon McArthur (11:10 AM) and there is no “must”

From: Diane Skidmore (11:10 AM) 'We' have to do something fast as 'they' are unlikely to do so.

From: Shannon McArthur (11:11 AM) as we know it… HIStory

From: Nienke van Bezooijen (11:13 AM) Wonderful to have Karen and Rebecca today!

From: Sharon Truax (11:13 AM) Welcome Karen and Rebecca!

From: Shannon McArthur (11:13 AM) What a pleasure! Thank you Jim!

From: Jane (11:15 AM) Oh Karen that is beautiful...beating heart with mother....

From: Kat Haber (11:17 AM) KAren Downes,: Complex, debatable, political conversation to have, begin with heart coherence as mother/daughter/most humans are the only ones we only share our heart beat with mothers, feminine intelligence, develop instinct to understand what was happening inside and what would be done to protect that mystery/miracle into the world, how to nourish here, Rebecca my daughter will join, FEMME Q, https://femmeq.org/ take its place in human pysche, not respected women -seen as fluffy/soft

From: Diane Skidmore (11:18 AM) Brilliant @Kat!! Thank you - notes!!

From: Jane (11:18 AM) Thank You Kat.

From: Tiffany Stone (11:18 AM) @Kat 💖

From: Jim Garrison (11:20 AM) Yes, thank you Kat. You are a marvel…

From: Diane Skidmore (11:21 AM) Great if women can take out the word 'superior'. Think of the world as a jigsaw - even one piece missing (just a piece of sky) and the jigsaw is ruined!! Every piece is relevant. Every piece counts.

From: Kat Haber (11:21 AM) 4 international summits: 2 London, 1 Berlin, 1 LA, not talking about gender, rather the feminine values in all gender identities-10% men attended, XPlore difficult topic, been told its binary, taking backward, political, these are parts of the conversation, Rebecca is in Costa Rica, FEMM Q moved to Berlin, working in Corporate in organizational performance then the only female in the room, noticed these environments had on her, armored to be able to show up in those conversations/meetings, not taught to respect a feminine even AM)ong men not able to show up not seen as strength, did not like who she had to become to win in those environments, moving forward collective humanity-imbalance in honoring both masculine & feminine, starting to shift honoring deep listening, vulnerability, what is missing, feminine principles, have as broadly as possible,

From: Antonia Gentile (11:22 AM) Yes. I think this is the most important conversation we need to have in our society (the balance of feminine/masculine energies).

From: Diane Skidmore (11:22 AM) @Antonia. Yes

From: Shannon McArthur (11:22 AM) agreed English is a masculine language imho… we may need new words

From: Diane Skidmore (11:23 AM) @shannon probably yes!!

From: Jen Forti (11:23 AM) Is it more naturally there in women than in men?

From: Shannon McArthur (11:24 AM) oh yes, Jen. that’s why they call it feminine! ; From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:24 AM) @Diane - yes balance

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:24 AM) Unconditional Love is an expression of (divine)feminine intelligence. EXpression of unconditional action is an expression of (divine) masculine intelligence. Unconditional Compassion is the merging of the feminine and masculine and the divine whole,

From: Nienke van Bezooijen (11:24 AM) the importance of 40 days!

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:24 AM) @Antonia Yes Balance

From: Diane Skidmore (11:25 AM) Scientifically @Jen - maybe but - spiritually , we can all grow.

From: Nienke van Bezooijen (11:25 AM) yeah Womb intelligence!!

From: Diane Skidmore (11:26 AM) @Malini Brilliant!!!

From: Kat Haber (11:26 AM) JG: What is feminine intelligence? KD: not measurable, notion we have access attempt to describe it, but is more an inquiry and a felt Xperience when we notice it is there and not, notion of feminine-something about feminine intelligence is a seed of potential that needs to be nourished to grow, in a woman’s biology we have the potential in the umbilical chord feeding and nourishing literally a child within, spiritual beings having a physical Xperience, as the child takes form mother fosters miracle of life in first 40 days of pregnancy time to sift consciousness (Rudolph Steiner) often do not recognize that a woman has an intelligence in our body that produces this, Sheldrake asked by KD does a woman have womb intelligence therefore? Talk about the miracle of life that Exists in women’s bodies, impacting women in India/Bangladesh with conscious intention to develop through rhythm/cycles/innat intelligence in our bodies that does not Exist in a man;’s body, MOTHER EARTH, gender is one part of this & RD

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:27 AM) YAY Kat!

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:27 AM) Eastern Philosophy recognises womb intelligence , it forms part of Karmic reward that gives one the ability to have progeny.

From: Crystal (11:28 AM) Is that intelligence lost with hysterectomies? Or does it persist through body memory and the womb having been there?

From: Jon Harvey (11:29 AM) I suspect there remains womb intelligence in body memory and the soul

From: Jane (11:29 AM) @Malini...Karmic Reward?

From: Shannon McArthur (11:29 AM) Intrinsic in the female physiology, imho, Crystal. No womb required!

From: Nienke van Bezooijen (11:29 AM) @Crystal I belief its memorized in body and soul

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:30 AM) My work on this area has focused on the ability of women to connect where men rank. That dichotomy informs so much.

From: Shannon McArthur (11:30 AM) ooo, Kathryn! interesting!

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:30 AM) It’s disconcerting to men as it disrupts ranking.

From: Diane Skidmore (11:31 AM) Interesting - what is innately built in as opposed to what is obliterated by culture

From: Kat Haber (11:31 AM) KD: Men have divine masculine can not quantify but can qualify into mercy/care/devotion, nurturing, develop quickly as a mother, have access if even not a mother, softer qualities Xibited in compassion, care, people’s livelihoods, will have EARTH flourish in equal Aspect, male overplayed, Feminine intelligence one side consciousness in all levels of society and sectors, JG: Feminine intelligence equally accessible to men and women? KD: yes all have access more focus and development like personal development focus on mindfulness and meditation now essential tool/practice focus on developing feminine intelligence critical to develop in men and women, men’s access to that is via women annexed understanding, sitting and listening, people are seeking to get in touch with the miracle-how does that happen that you are creating a life in your body? (In LAtino culture a women is said to be embarrassed -AM)barasada_ when she is pregnant) Cultural dominance if a man impregnates a woman, women are innately in touch natura

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:32 AM) @Jane --- ability to have progeny is considered karmic reward. That's a very long conversation understanding the whole perspective will be happy to take it offline with you any time.

From: Jane (11:32 AM) @Malini would love to hear more.

From: Me (11:32 AM) Women will be at the board room table if they create the enterprise. Women's leadership is what the world needs!

From: Shannon McArthur (11:33 AM) Women can be trained though. We have learned the masculine very well.

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:33 AM) Reincarnation allow us to understand that we all have been both genders.

From: Shannon McArthur (11:33 AM) THAT is the embarrassment, imho.

From: Kat Haber (11:33 AM) RD: not a mother (yet?) conversations access to both, going to work with one arm tied behind his back because his feminine principles could not be used at work for a man, unique to women is the creation of life in our bodies, how we tap into and how we Xpress it, what is innate in women, easier for some men/women in certain societies to Press in our school/culture/work, biology of birthing

From: Daniel Rieders (11:33 AM) This discussion is culture dependent, not universal

From: Shannon McArthur (11:34 AM) yes, Daniel. and yet the culture is pervasive.

From: Diane Skidmore (11:34 AM) We do need women's leadership but - women CAN teach men how to access feminine qualities. I think it just comes more easily to women.

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:34 AM) Feminine intelligence is both Yashoda and Kali,

From: Diane Skidmore (11:34 AM) Yes Daniel - agree too

From: Crystal (11:34 AM) On the reincarnation point, that may be part of the frustration of not being able to safely express both intelligences despite gender - the body’s memory of both . . . knowing both

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:35 AM) is both Lakshmi and saraswati

From: Kat Haber (11:35 AM) JG: Feminine intelligence, Rebecca? RD: deep intuitive understanding and knowing a collective intelligence /accessing for the greater good, male: Problem solving intellectual intelligence,

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:35 AM) @Doreen - yes when we can access that and enjoy that memory we can dance together.

From: Kat Haber (11:35 AM) P-A-U-S-E>>>…deep intuitive understanding of the higher good…

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:35 AM) That’s what happens with connection - you ‘sense’ the larger whole.

From: Shannon McArthur (11:36 AM) we need to be aware of the Higher Good… to enable our children’s children to flourish.

From: Jane (11:36 AM) More 'fixing'? masculine

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:36 AM) @Jim differentiation - is great

From: Sharon Truax (11:36 AM) @kathryn Yes!

From: Peg Kuperman (11:36 AM) that deep intuitive understanding can only be touched through heart intelligence

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:37 AM) @Peg - noce!

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:37 AM) Yeshoda was the woman who loved another more than her own- she is seen as the final frontier of mAM)ta ( motherly love). Kali is the woman capable of destroying the evil and negative aspect of male energy. Lakshmi is the form of capable of untold wealth and Saraswati is the form of endless intelligence and talent,

From: Kala (11:37 AM) All embryos are female until the 10th day in the womb; it is only after that that the chemical testosterone begins to act on half the embryos creating the expressions that cause the male body.

From: Kat Haber (11:37 AM) JG: feminine intelligence is an awareness of underlying unity, a gestalt, making masculine intelligence problem solving differentiations rather than unities? RD: growth intellectual AM)bition with masculine, feminine is more collective Kahli-fierce/wild also no one want tog et in From: of a mother bear between her cubs -PROTECTIVE, does not emerge when focused on self, rather than when focused on others when felt threatened,

From: Diane Skidmore (11:38 AM) Just out of interest - we have in our children - boys who are soft and gentle and very feminine ("Is he gay?") and girls who are very fierce and strong and bold (,,,,, the Barbarian! From: Me (11:38 AM) Women are naturally more inclined to help, serve, and care for others than men who appear to tend to want to control others.

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:39 AM) @Kala - the male - female template is established with the Xand Y chromosome , which goes back to preconception meiosis.

From: Tiffany Stone (11:39 AM) yes @Jim and little boys get penalized for being that way by most of their teachers at that age. It’s sad. Even at my son’s more enlightened school in kindergarten you son got critiqued for not being able to sit for long periods of time

From: Diane Skidmore (11:39 AM) It also makes a difference if the children are brought up in a non-'cultural' background. (Nothing of 'boys will be boys' for exAM)ple From: Kala (11:39 AM) so much cultural conditioning over lifetimes of eras

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:40 AM) So given that a few million sperm try to fertilize the egg. it is believed that the resulting progeny is decided by divine karmic plan.

From: Kat Haber (11:40 AM) https://femmeq.org/ Distinctions between boys/girls, girls sit quietly engage in deep conversation for long periods of time, boys have little capacity to sit, kinetic, moving constantly, eager for recess momentary eye contact, language use is different, to communicate deeply-girls, boys use language as a weapon utilitarian way will break things to see what they are made of Deborah Tannen Male/Female Psyches: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Just_Don%27t_Understand Harris-black female vs white male talking over interviewer and KAM)ala Harris very sensitive composed, smiling, not agressing

From: Jane (11:42 AM) Thanks Malini....sounds like a workshop in itself.

From: Diane Skidmore (11:42 AM) @Jim - that's a very male point of view (apologies) - "Women need to be supported"? surely - all people need to be supported into finding their real self and being conscious, considerate and brave!!

From: Jane (11:43 AM) Yes Diane.

From: Shannon McArthur (11:43 AM) YES, Karen. Invitation and honouring are SO important.

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:43 AM) thank you. women need to be coopted. and allowed to speak when coopted.

From: Diane Skidmore (11:43 AM) Agree Karen

From: Rachel Root (11:43 AM) Stongly agree Karen!! We need to be invited to come to the table

From: Shannon McArthur (11:44 AM) We have asked for permission for so long… and been put down (almost) every time we’ve stepped up.

From: Diane Skidmore (11:44 AM) Very good - we just need to be invited. We are ready - we just often are abused so - why bother - we'll work quietly else where - in another way!!

From: Kala (11:44 AM) For so many generations women had to balance the political dynAM)ics of huge fAM)ilies with love and wisdom, caring for each child as well as the whole fAM)ily

From: Kat Haber (11:45 AM) JG: feminine vs Masculine intelligence, FEMME Q, common aspects to both genders, why do women need to be supported in our liberation for homo sapiens survival, RD: both Xpressed how the male/femal shows up From: that debate-male not considerate shadow side, KAM)ala Harris-whol, conscious, Xphibited the dark of the masculine and light of the feminine KD: Women fro to need liberating we need inviting-YES< YES< YES! look for the women and we are here, we do see our spirits liberated, we speak different languages,/sensibilities/intuitie/seeing the whole/energetic flow, watching board rooms/ watching for where the conversation is going and what needs to be said, what’s going on in that system? What happened in my mother when she is giving birth, is MOTHER EARTH cycles, regeneration, suffering as she births new life giving forces, feminine forces is bringing life to life, HOW DO WE BIRTH LIFE< NOURISH IT AND GIVE IT FULL REVERED RESOURCED POTENTIAL? We bring the whole, inclusive, when we mother hens bring us all alon

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:45 AM) Nourishing LIFE is key and is something that men can learn to be sensitized to.

From: Nienke van Bezooijen (11:45 AM) inviting men to be curious about the unknown or not understood part of women. not shutting them out if they understand us 'quick enough'

From: Shannon McArthur (11:45 AM) We are trying to birth the One we are… midwifing and pushing as best we can…

From: Diane Skidmore (11:46 AM) Brilliant Karen. In fact - we are already doing it - if only men would step bac a minute and listen!! We have the ideas - and the patience and the love. Just leave us free!!!

From: Daniel Rieders (11:46 AM) definitely, the feminine needs to heal and the masculine

From: Kat Haber (11:46 AM) Trauman of mother as she births is carried on to the baby in the birth process (I was born under hypnosis and Xperience no pain in rebirthing. From: Diane Skidmore (11:46 AM) And we, women, can heal all of us -men, women, children and planet!!!

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:47 AM) @Kat - how I wish we would research how birthing impacts later life.

From: Antonia Gentile (11:48 AM) Healing of trauma in my opinion is at the core of where it all begins. Self, ancestral, past-lives.

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:48 AM) Do watch if you haven't:https://www.ted.com/talks/paula_stone_williAM)s_i_ve_lived_as_a_man_a_woman_here_s_what_i_learned?utm_cAM)paign=tedspread&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=tedcomshare;

From: Kala (11:48 AM) It feels like so many ages of men’s deep fear of women’s power and empowerment, as if they recognize that it’s something so much deeper than they can “control”

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:49 AM) The comment given the right…we had to take it

From: Kat Haber (11:49 AM) JG: transgenerational trauma world dominated by patriarchal consciousness for 6,000 for women to be used as chatttel, women are property in Saudi Arabia only recently can drive a car, in France 1933 women right to vote, female/feminine traumatized lineage, between mother/daughter feminist movement in US and Western culture in 60’s 70’ ( I was one of the first women cadets at the United States Air Force Academy to advance women’s rights/opprotunities) early feminist we did kick down those doors (Jumping out of air planes, flying them, soaring them, prisoner of war training… From: MALINI Rajendran (11:49 AM) https://youtu.be/edLQdf4o0cg

From: Tiffany Stone (11:49 AM) @Kathryn I’m going to do a womb surround someday: http://www.castellinotraining.com/process/

From: Me (11:49 AM) Jim - It might be useful to this conversation for us to hear more From: the women. Are you trying to interpret their issue for the men?

From: Shannon McArthur (11:49 AM) birth does NOT have to be traumatic… it is the culture that has taught us that this natural process has to rip us to pieces… it is the reaction of the masculine to the experience of the feminine — they don’t know that we have been designed to endure it and we have accepted their point of view. imho.

From: Antonia Gentile (11:50 AM) SAM)e here, Karen!

From: Annette Shaked (11:50 AM) Jim - you are AM)azing and I so appreciate what you are creating an nourishing -- I invite you to take a slight inward look at the language you are naturally using -- which highlights the masculine -- i.e., "If I could be dictator for a day" -- which you've used here and before with Ensler, others

From: Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson (11:50 AM) Can the panelist also comment on the relationship between feminine intelligence and transgender women and men.

From: Diane Skidmore (11:51 AM) @Shannon - TOTALY AGREE!! Love the Sex and the City episode where she won't let anyone make a sound!!!

From: Annette Shaked (11:51 AM) Jim cont -- sAM)e is happening with your line of questioning today -- I invite you to ask them what they feel needs to come forth to this audience -- liberate vs. Invite -- now trauma -- seems you are inadvertently directing the conversation rather than inviting

From: Diane Skidmore (11:51 AM) It doesn' thave to be painful even.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:51 AM) @Kat - the caring and connection women feel acts as a ‘brake’ to the ego and expression of men - so they often feel ‘controlled’. Men who cannot access their feminine they need the feminine outside of them (their partners) and feel so in need that they often rebel by beating that feminine into submission and then cannot bear the loss - that is the abusive cycle.

From: Tiffany Stone (11:51 AM) @Shannon so true. The birth of my son was a gentle birth at home with wonderful midwives.

From: Diane Skidmore (11:52 AM) Brilliant @Tiffany!! Share that everywhere xxx

From: Shannon McArthur (11:52 AM) @Tiffany, thank you for sharing… we learn From: each other, and your experience is so important. Bless you!

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:52 AM) My mother was sick when I was born and I had to deal with her hopelessness during my cancer journey. It was a womb memory.

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:53 AM) I would recommend:Childbirth without Fear: The Principles and Practice of Natural Childbirth by by Grantly Dick-Read, Michel Odent (Foreword From: Nienke van Bezooijen (11:53 AM) oh yes guilty and not to blAM)e You don't know what you don't know at that time

From: Jane (11:53 AM) You do better when you know better.

From: Kat Haber (11:53 AM) JG: are women of this generation are they growing up with less trauma? KD: traumatized as a young girl, youngest in fAM)ily strong Aussie bloke-“Stop crying or I’;l give you something to cry about. “ Grew up feisty, not having being her mother afraid of her husband and emotions, wanted to differentiate, appeasing, no respect for her husband -her mother, moved to India and Bangladesh to face down the trauma, had to heal self first, with Rebecca followed Steiner’s philosophy for super conscious relationship with her daughter, pass on the trauma in the collective, moving through but not yet there, Rebecca is independent and plays out a pattern of differentiate From: her mother KAren, guilty but not to be blAM)ed, men do not want to be immasculated around this fight or trauma, child’s nervous system coming into the work, HURT PEOPLE (TRUMP) HURT OTHERS

From: Me (11:53 AM) From: Annette to Jim: seems you are inadvertently directing the conversation rather than inviting

From: Kat Haber (11:53 AM) Growing up with KD was like growing up in a workshop.

From: Diane Skidmore (11:53 AM) 'They' have been 'men' for a loooong time. It's hard to let go!! We need to be kind to encourage them that - they are safe!! we'll be gentle with them too!!

From: Daniel Rieders (11:54 AM) This compulsion to stay in a trauma paradigm is a symptom of ongoing trauma

From: Diane Skidmore (11:54 AM) @Daniel Yes!!

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:54 AM) We need to bring up our children to be a person not a boy or a girl.

From: Daniel Rieders (11:54 AM) we need better paradigms

From: Diane Skidmore (11:54 AM) Trauma becomes the comfort zone!! @Malini - Exactly!!!

From: Rachel Root (11:56 AM) The is a huge difference in how mothers and fathers participate now in the birthing process and also parenting

From: Daniel Rieders (11:56 AM) trauma is not happened, it is how it lives in the individual or collective

From: Jane (11:56 AM) Seems to be 'stuck' in Trauma....important to learn, heal and move on .

From: Kat Haber (11:56 AM) RD: Awareness and consciousness to have these conversations, spiritual workshops, percsonal growth, …many modalities of transformation that had not been available to her mom’s generation, ability to have these conversations, did to speak of in previous generations, ability to heal has been passed down to RD (my mom mentioned being violated only once in her life to me quietly From: Jane (11:57 AM) Yes Understanding.

From: Kala (11:57 AM) We’re in a time that we’re questioning and recognizing the need to heal the whole human experience to transform who and what we are; how we relate to the life impulse and process itself in a healthy and new way, at a universal scale

From: Diane Skidmore (11:57 AM) This morning I was told about a book by Muriel JAM)es - Breaking Free: Self Reparenting For A New Life - healing after problem parenting. so - learning how to be a grown-up regardless of how our parents passed on the trauma

From: MALINI Rajendran (11:57 AM) It starts with getting the boys to knit, fdo embroidery, cook and do house work. and the daughters to repair the electrical appliances, change a car tyre, repair the furniture and shift and move things around the house. Isn't it funny when it comes to professional aspects of so called womens work its taken over by men. A woman cooks at home a chef cooks in the restaurant. A woman sews cloths at home but tailors are men. and list is quite endless.

From: Antonia Gentile (11:58 AM) I was very moved by a film called Antonia's Line (1995, Dutch) with themes such as community, mother-daughter relationships, and the effects of patriarchal consciousness.

From: Annette Shaked (11:58 AM) @Stanley -- we've both tried - feeling sad that we're missing intended content re femmeQ

From: Diane Skidmore (11:58 AM) @Jane - Wonderful Learn. Heal. And move on!!

From: Annette Shaked (11:59 AM) @Stanley -- Yet it's really a true petrie dish experience - because this mirrors real world experience

From: Jane (11:59 AM) @Diane: From: Nienke van Bezooijen (11:59 AM) @Antonia Thats a great movie indeed!

From: Diane Skidmore (12:00 PM Would love to see a movie of you two girlies - would love to see how you move through each other's processes and come out friends at the end.

From: Antonia Gentile (12:00 PM Your words resonate so much, Karen. I learned to love myself based on who/where I cAM)e From: .

From: Me (12:00 PM @Annette; I guess we can take Diane's advice... From: Diane Skidmore (11:53 AM))
 'They' have been 'men' for a loooong time. It's hard to let go!! We need to be kind to encourage them that - they are safe!! we'll be gentle with them too!!

From: Antonia Gentile (12:00 PM @Nienke yes! I should rewatch the film soon.

From: Diane Skidmore (12:00 PM We have to do it to and with each other xxx

From: Kurt Krueger (12:01 PM Here's one of the PRIMARY PREVENTIONS for so many issues of our time. Start early ~ PARENTING is awesomely effective. Read and apply: Nurturing with Love and Wisdom, Disciplining with Peace and Respect by Diane Tillman. Have these practices taught is schools…

The Living Values Education ProgrAM): The first two Values instructed are Love and Peace. All the other Values are generated From: these.

From: Mary Thorp (12:01 PM I've been working for several years clearing the energy of 7 generations prior & 7 generations forward while creating the future of a world that works for everyone. I;m finding there's pain in my body as it's being released.

From: Kat Haber (12:01 PM JG: What are key ingredients in the transformation of trauma into healing? KD: First understanding Trauma is not what happened, its what happens inside you when what happened happens…Mother/daughter much happens in parenting to transcend what was handed to me through vehicle of other women and daughter, what is ours to heal and what is anothers to heal when hurt, never walk away, never an option, massive emotional range, might take a timeout, but never work away, introvert/Xtrovert patterns, feminineintelligence plays out recognizes what hurst us, what we are missing when we were little, not tender/stroked so teaches self massage, remedy to trauma is to give to self not seeking From: an other, Rebecca gave a mantra-Beautiful just the way you are, counter messages of being useless/stupid, changing the internal narrative, many ways to work it with the body (I did 20 years of personal growth work thru dance with a guide Dominiqe Sire From: Jane (12:01 PM In terms of the 'voiceless', trauma is not feeling/being seen or heard.

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:02 PM without seeing the shadow you can not observe what needs healing

From: Kat Haber (12:02 PM RD: give space to both light/dark side now mainstreAM), allow space to be messed up and not have it all figured out, be triggered and allow it to be OK, Space to confront the shadow side, stuff comes up as mother/daughter, curiosity to discover what else is possible, knowing it may be a bumpy ride,

From: Beth Brownfield (12:02 PM My mother died when I was 12 and when I had my two daughters I was sad that she didn’t have the chance to know them. At a concert of the Mocking Bird Singers in BellinghAM), WA one woman spoke of the sAM)e grief until she read that in the female child that is being carried are the eggs that will create all the female children born in that line into eternity. And so my mother carried in her womb my two daughters and all females of future generations.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:03 PM @Mary Thorp - I’d love to learn more.

From: Diane Skidmore (12:03 PM wonderful Rebecca - allow each other to go down the 'wrong' road. (no right or wrong obvs - just different ways and moments) that all can change. We HAVE to go through it!! but we CAN come out the other end xxx

From: Kat Haber (12:03 PM OK to give space as needed in curiosity to find what is underneath it, ASK FOR HELP-introverts raised by strong woman, what is it to be asking for help, can be lonely, saying when not OK,

From: Kala (12:03 PM Thanks incredibly beautiful Beth!

From: Mushin Patric Roberts (12:03 PM Unci Maka (Grandmother Earth) is the one and only womb of creation ~ entire web of life on earth. Gender principle in eco literacy constituting, sustaining and maintaining “The Squiggling Sixth ~ Intuitive Sense Caring & Coping Spontaneity.” Inclusiveness is a hard-wired biological sense making in all nature. Birds (male & female) mate for life and create a morning song sharing one voice. I invite women interested in Oyate Win Message to lean into her declaration of power regarding “Stop It ~ Don’t Do That Anymore.” Oyate Win inspires us to transform internal narratives ~ realization of living as daughters and sons ending war, blAM)ing, shAM)ing. and all of Patriarchal Culture elements: domination ~ submission; exclusion ~ appropriation; control ~ distrust; gender ~ racial discrimination; scarcity ~ war based in power condemning dignity in social relations. The 2,500+years of Western Splits Male v Female is a mistaken observer error.

From: Kurt Krueger (12:03 PM We water birthed both our children. Igor Charkofsky trained us for our first, Terez was ecstatic in the second when I ‘pulled’ Narayan forth she looked so beatific. Magical moments without the pain… : From: shawne mitchell (12:03 PM Beth - beautiful . . .

From: Diane Skidmore (12:04 PM @Kurt Wonder - full!!!

From: Mary Thorp (12:05 PM @Kathryn Alexander: thorpdesign@gmail.com / send me a note.

From: Me (12:05 PM This conversation reminds me of my friend's book: Children of Psychiatrists: And Other Psychotherapists - https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjHiOey8afsAhUphOAKHUboA6QQFjAAegQIBhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.AM)azon.com%2FChildren-Psychiatrists-Psychotherapists-Thomas-Maeder%2Fdp%2F006091663X&usg=AOvVaw3YtgWn-X4E0WsfeojJ8kci

From: Jane (12:05 PM wow Beth that is lovely.

From: Diane Skidmore (12:05 PM @Karen - totally - The Whole!! All the Way!!

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:05 PM @Mary Thorp - thank you!!!

From: Daniel Rieders (12:05 PM beautiful, all inclusive

From: Annelies Weijschede (12:06 PM Yes @Beth… and it can work the other way around also…Yesterday I saw a 93 y old women, in a documentary, phoning with her mother, telling how much she missed her since her passing when she was 21 y… that she thought of her, and that she told her children en grandchildren what a wonderful woman and mother she had been to her… Love and healing.

From: Shannon McArthur (12:06 PM @Mushin, more needs to be said, imho. I’m interested…

From: Kat Haber (12:07 PM JG: future anthropology of humanity is radical transformation of notions of gender, From: clear man/woman now a full range of Xpressing, understanding who we are related to gender/sexuality, how would you consider feminine intelligence in a pansexual world? KD: whole of tran and gender need to be included for the whole to Xist, integrity in engineering if building a crack then a structure it out of integrity, if women are killed From: domestic violence in COVID in UK Double digits killed in homes, violence/violations and disproportionate impact, all genders are tapping tinto higher qualities of our (SHEMANITY?) humanity, sisters are being killed instead of being protected in our own homes, all have right to represent them as they want, not her cause, find what we are commissioned with when we cAM)e into the world

From: Diane Skidmore (12:08 PM Wow @ Karen yes - who cares what gender - it's a small affair compared to how we treat each other - regardless of gender! The gender conversation is a symptom of our dis-ease (ill-at-ease) society. Yes Rebecca - different conversation!!

From: Kat Haber (12:09 PM RD: Womens body, she, her, simplicity, do not understand this in all areas, feminine/masculine not about the body applies equally to all humans, one way to understand the difference energies in all of us, distinct From: gender, gender is about male/female, tow different sides to the conversation, speak to her aspect of the sense making

From: Kala (12:09 PM Jaren, what is most significant is your intense will to good acting through the whole experience of your life, to transform the future and the nature of culture

From: Kala (12:09 PM Karen

From: Diane Skidmore (12:11 PM I think many of these disturbances are due to the very chemicalised content of our water/food/consumer culture

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:11 PM I believe that the chemical bath we all now swim in is having huge impacts on our biology and gender… @Diane - ha ha

From: Jane (12:11 PM Moving From: difference to blending and inclusion.

From: Daniel Rieders (12:11 PM @kathryn definitely

From: Shannon McArthur (12:11 PM and all is woven by Greater Hands… this is part of the learning we (collectively) need to gather.

From: Diane Skidmore (12:12 PM And also a society that does not teach care and 'how to be a person' there are many young people growing up to be very confused! @Kathryn Yes!! Exactly!!

From: Shannon McArthur (12:13 PM if you think you know what’s going on, you’re wrong… I’ve come to rest in the place of not knowing… the liminal place I completely agree - She IS our Mother

From: Antonia Gentile (12:14 PM So true, Karen.

From: Kala (12:14 PM So true, Karen, it’s fundAM)ental to our relation to the Earth, to Gaia

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:14 PM @Karen - yes healing the relationship with the feminine is key to climate change.

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:14 PM Isn’t it the Liminal Space were we are open to listen

From: Diane Skidmore (12:15 PM Very messy, eh. We need to LOVE (hahaha - again..) All we need is love!!!

From: Jane (12:15 PM Yes Karen...reverence and gratitude for the 'mohter'. mother

From: Kat Haber (12:15 PM JG: Xiting aspect of the deconstruction/reimagining to be male/female/masculine/feminine in the rainbow of Xplosion of gender, intros complexio compositorum, fundAM)ental invitation to our sense of selves as human beings in a multi cultural multivendor frAM)ework Undergoing pandemic intensity while gender Expression fest, feminine intelligence might we embrace in this moment given this pandemic pause? KD: talked about sacred space through humanity rising, liminal in-between not in past, not in future, sighted in ceremony, religion, spirituality, unusual moment, if we do not heal our relationship with mother, we will not heal MOTHER EARTH, not corporate not its fundAM)ental, confused, disrupted, do not know the future, need to hold each other like a fAM)ily (WE BELONG TO EACH OTHER-AGAIN!) many women did not like the word devotion, depp reverence for something other than self, MOTHER EARTH, shared heartbeat with out mothers, MOTEHR EARTH has hosted us, to each other, quality, MOTHER EARTH-feminine

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:16 PM We can hear Mother Earth talking to us in the Liminal Space

From: Kala (12:16 PM Sacre - to make sacred -

From: Mushin Patric Roberts (12:17 PM As man who loves women and my own caring heartfelt concerns “Oyate Win Message to the World: What we are going through today?” January 14th, 20220 7-minutes Makasitomni Production. https://vimeo.com/38584129820-year investigation listening to an oral wisdom continuum where gender is a living partnership based on the Biology of Love. Humberto Maturana 2-minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCp1JdEmeZc Thank you Jim, Karen and Rebecca Love heals and is the living squiggling sense constituting sustaining and maintaining every moment in timelessness. Oyate Win transcends Death as a 100-year-old great great grandmother. Beauty create awe in what really owns us and what we belong to in this 14-billion year emergence. I live silently in that liminal space IN-BETWEEN becoming Squiggling Sense Metastabilians. Thanks for the deep~dive made my day. Mushin mushinmw@gmail.com

From: Diane Skidmore (12:17 PM AM)azing Karen. Thank you. And you're looking out on Kew Gardens. Wow!!! And - Rebecca in Costa Rica - gosh - doing something right? Hahaha - Wonderful!! Both!!!

From: Kat Haber (12:17 PM RD: Xquisitely said mom, gift of MOTHER EARTH ALLOWS US TO BE HERE NOW, how we honor our mother is how we honor MOTHER EARTH, oil sands of North AM)erica, what happens in the collective, affects us all, ourselves and the feminine in all of us, listen, stop, to our inner voice, give space to be respected int eh world, with ourselves, in our fAM)ilies

From: Antonia Gentile (12:17 PM Beautifully said, Rebecca.

From: Sharon Truax (12:17 PM @ karen I believe that it is time to heal. Sanctifiy our lives.From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Everyone: 08:03 AM) Good Morning From: the woods of North Carolina From: Me to All Panelists: 08:03 AM) Good Morning From: Seattle. inner clarity here. Thank you all for being here. From: Jen Forti to Everyone: 08:05 AM) Blessings From: Portland, OR :From: Me to Everyone: 08:07 AM) Stronger every day! From: Stanley Pokras Pokras to Everyone: 08:07 AM) . ..oOo..

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From: Jane (12:17 PM Reverance for The BEAUTY of the MOTHER.

From: Antonia Gentile (12:19 PM Yes, I do Earthing daily. I won't have survived this time without it.

From: Anthony Porter (12:19 PM @Shannon: In what ways is English a masculine language?

From: Diane Skidmore (12:19 PM And with our daughters (hahaha From: Kurt Krueger (12:19 PM Always grounding/Earthing/connecting with MOM.

From: Sharon Truax (12:20 PM Thank you for your clarity. It is Life. Healing and sanctifying our lives now.

From: Jane (12:20 PM Listen and Feel the heartbeat of Gaia.

From: Kala (12:20 PM So true Karen!

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:20 PM I’m finding that healing my relationship with my daughter has been a wonderful experience. Living together has been great

From: Diane Skidmore (12:20 PM simple but hard. In practice!! Wonderful!!!

From: Shannon McArthur (12:20 PM @Anthony, i’d be pleased to discuss it in the After HR Chat-People Zoom Room… Come if you can… https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09

From: Rachel Root (12:21 PM Wonderful discussion! great thought-provoking questions Thank you!

From: Diane Skidmore (12:21 PM @Kathryn - me too> (Not living with them all but - constant work on it - rewarding!!! From: Shannon McArthur (12:21 PM yes, Jim! belly-down

From: Sharon Truax (12:22 PM @Jim Thank you for another glorious time together.

From: Kate Hansen Hansen (12:22 PM Thank you all!

From: Antonia Gentile (12:22 PM Yes! Such a powerful practice.

From: Kat Haber (12:22 PM KD: More about the relationship between feminine intelligence and MOTHER EARTH please? Human intelligence emirates From: EARTH/GAIA/FEMME Q KD: Kinesthetic has to be in the world, invitation is to put their belly on the ground, feel the pulsation, what she gives us, her lungs are our lungs, her digestive system is ours, everything that we are is here, NATURE is separating, must heal relationship with our mothers, go beyond title and be two souls transcending identities, unite with forces without MOTHER NATURE that pulled us together, MOTHER Where we cAM)e From: , heal gender disparities, heal EARTH, simple but hard to do in practice RD: nothing ore to add mom summed it up well JG: Mythopoetic, Xactly where we all need to be come From: /are MOTHER/EARTH SPEAKING TO SELF EARTH, thank you, rich, take up Karen’s directive, go out and lie facedown upon EARTH with heart and belly button right into the soil, heart naturally attuned to electromagnetic positions of EARTH MOTHER-source of life/feminine intelligence/embodied

From: Diane Skidmore (12:22 PM Thank you so much all - heart beat stuff!!!

From: Jane (12:22 PM Thanks and love to all facets of the Mother.

From: Nienke van Bezooijen (12:23 PM thank you Karen and Rebecca, with a hug From: the Netherlands

From: Jen Forti (12:23 PM Thank you everyone <3

From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:23 PM One of the first things I teach mothers is having them have their babes on their stomach a part of the day

From: Shannon McArthur (12:23 PM Thank you, Beautifuls… You are all walking well. Have a great weekend. See you Monday!

From: Crystal (12:23 PM Thank you

From: Annelies Weijschede (12:24 PM Thank you and much love to the Mother in all of you

From: Antonia Gentile (12:24 PM Thank you so much for this wonderful conversation!

From: MALINI Rajendran (12:24 PM thankyou !!!

From: Kala (12:24 PM Gratitude infinite!!

From: Kurt Krueger (12:24 PM Gracias