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Humanity Rising Day 089 Chat Page
- Date: Monday September 7, 2020 (2020-09-07)
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Text of the Zoom Chat from HR Day 089:
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:01 AM)
Beautiful day in the woods of North Carolina. Wishing you all a glorious day.
From: Liliane Mavridara (11:02 AM) Happy Monday Everyone! Happy Labor Day in US.
From: Crystal (11:04 AM) Inspiring story today by Elliot Dallen From: London in The Guardian. He is a 31 year old in his last days From: fight with terminal cancer. His advice From: this perspective is: Importance of Graditude, a life well lived is enough, be vulnerable and connect with others, so something for others, and Protect the Planet - all that we have been discussing here . . . thank you Elliot for you life, your vulnerability and your service. Love and Light to you!
From: Liliane Mavridara (11:06 AM) Thank you Yolanda for starting this new, local reality!
From: Simone de Wijn (11:07 AM) can we meet Yolanda I AM) From: the Netherlands
From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (11:08 AM) Yolanda, I would love to take with you as I’m planning on doing the sAM)e thing in Los Angeles area of California
From: Simone de Wijn (11:09 AM) I start an social lab in Belgium Italy designs frAM)eworks
From: Liliane Mavridara (11:09 AM) @Simone, are you a member of Ubiquity?
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:13 AM) There will be no day without war until we create a way for people to express their aggression and express their need for dominance and power in ways that are destructive. Sports are a start. The soul NEEDS to understand it has power and learning this soften messy for others. This stage is needed and important, but giving real opportunities that are destructive will require a good deal of creativity.
From: Malini Rajendran (11:13 AM) Hope is essential. the times are changing, a great shift is happening and we can imagine a world without war without violence. But that will need a shift of mindbased living, to living From: the heart. there will be conflict but it will be of a different nature.
From: Jim Garrison (11:14 AM) Talk to me. Send me an email at jgarrison@ubiquityuniversity.org. It would be great to have Brussels Rising!
From: Simone de Wijn (11:15 AM) yes 🙏
From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai (11:15 AM) Thank you Jim. I will :) From: Simone de Wijn (11:16 AM) thanks I will contact you definitely 🙏😊
From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (11:16 AM) Brother, do you think “WE are the Radical Change… would improve our first slide?
From: Malini Rajendran (11:18 AM) yes change of ages is happening. there is proof and cosmological explanation for this statement.
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:19 AM) What is not changing so fast is human nature and THAT determines what we actually accomplish - no matter what the technology. Teaching them to think and feel would be more beneficial.
From: Malini Rajendran (11:21 AM) change is the only constant. @kathryn absolutely agree. humanity is the only one that hasn't learnt the art of changing . humanity needs repeated kick in the but to make us aware of the need to change. the pandemic is one such spanking we are getting.
From: Bruce Schuman (11:23 AM) general rule? "resonant convergence"
From: Diane Skidmore (11:25 AM) Or..... @Kathryn - lots of people are looking for and knowing that it's time for change but - no idea where to look for guidance!! WE know there are other ways - in the world changes are happening but - in our 'modern world/UK/USA' normal media - very hard. The clues and the choices are out there but we have to dig for them. For exAM)ple, the Extinction Rebellion marches - all last week in the UK - not publicised/no television reports until the press offices (or newspapers) were stopped (by XR - so reported as XR being the baddies - "You've got no newspapers today as XR stopped them"!!
From: Bruce Schuman (11:26 AM) under pandemic, what about freedom? ignore the reality and insist on your rights? but yes -- this two-ladder diagrAM) is very good -- very helpful.
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:27 AM) The tacit values we act From: ‘allow’ or prevent moment up the ladder.
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:28 AM) @Bruce the lady From: Singapore made a wonderful comment about freedom. You are not ‘free’ if you are not safe. We take risks when we feel safe.
From: Bruce Schuman (11:29 AM) @Kathryn -- yes
From: Me (11:31 AM) In the 1970's when I was in my 20's, the notion was to not trust anyone over 30... Hum...
From: Bruce Schuman (11:33 AM) "but who is me?" i might have to be "against" you if you ae not -- following what? some "universal law" ?
From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (11:33 AM) The website for this?
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:34 AM) The Power Continuum From: manipulation to appreciation there is more ability to get what you want at the appreciation end.
From: Me (11:34 AM) Is he talking about the test for authoritarianism?
From: Shannon McArthur (11:35 AM) no?
From: marisja@whycompany.nl (11:36 AM) The Mentality test is only in Dutch, but I guess you could get a long way with google translate: https://www.motivaction.nl/mentality/de-mentality-test
From: Bruce Schuman (11:37 AM) this presentation is excellent
From: Bruce Schuman (11:38 AM) I want to "factor" these categories -- looking for finer distinctions and common ground -- in a check-box format.....
From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai (11:38 AM) so enlightening, fabulous, thank you Ferenc
From: Diane Skidmore (11:39 AM) Sadly AM) missing it - Life going on here so - caught five mins earlier and now - unable to stay xxx
From: Shannon McArthur (11:40 AM) here when you’re able, Diane!
From: Bruce Schuman (11:40 AM) great "reinvent democracy" -- fabulous
From: Malini Rajendran (11:41 AM) there is a fundAM)ental universal law. you do not have the right to cause harm in any way to another irrespective of your belief system. you do not have the right to destroy public property especially if you don't pay for its care and maintenance. you do not have the right to inconvenience innocent people in a city just because you are upset or angry about your life. you have the responsibility to ask questions, to seek the facts and the truth in any situation. yes you have people in power who are greedy, corrupt and evil. the paradigm is shifting. we have to come up with innovative beats of dealing with this insightful slides. great research and perspective.
From: Bruce Schuman (11:42 AM) can we get these slides in an integrated format -- a single file? i'd like to see them all, at my fingertips....
From: Shannon McArthur (11:43 AM) @Bruce, I can feel your fingers itching!!
From: Bruce Schuman (11:43 AM) this is such a strong clear presentation, so well done
From: Cheryl Ritenbaugh (11:43 AM) @Bruce - I’m with you!
From: Bruce Schuman (11:44 AM)
From: Malini Rajendran (11:44 AM) yes. I agree. Buckminster Fuller said create a new world don't rework and old world.
From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (11:45 AM) Ferenc - really like the way that you are meeting people where they are at
From: Me (11:45 AM) Are AM)erican conservatives being reflected in this scheme?
From: Malini Rajendran (11:46 AM) @stan this is a purely Netherlands study I think.
From: Bruce Schuman (11:46 AM) the out group "people who are realistic" : From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:46 AM) Yes - he alluded to Trumpers Those who are afraid they are losing what they love.
From: Bruce Schuman (11:46 AM) bravo
From: Liliane Mavridara (11:46 AM) Thank you Ferenc, was wonderful!
From: Shannon McArthur (11:46 AM) bravo indeedd!!!!
From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (11:47 AM) Fantastic. Thanks you.
From: Chantal Suissa - Runne (11:47 AM) Love it!
From: Bruce Schuman (11:47 AM) question -- make your slides available in one file ???
From: Shannon McArthur (11:47 AM) We have been very much enjoying your presentation, Ferenc!! Thank you!
From: Malini Rajendran (11:47 AM) but I guess would apply to a large part of the world which shares similar history and demographic shift.
From: Danielle Hansmann (11:47 AM) Thank you!!
From: Shannon McArthur (11:48 AM) bless you BIG TIME!!
From: Bruce Schuman (11:48 AM) cool, thank you
From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai (11:48 AM) thank you so much Ferenc
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:48 AM) We need Ference’s contact info.
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (11:48 AM) Excellent presentation, especially about how to bring everyone space to be heard
From: Bruce Schuman (11:49 AM) yes -- can we have an email address for Ferenc?
From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (11:49 AM) Socrates querying while walking in the woods, in Mother Nature, Exploring, listening, allow them to create together. LivingValues.org
From: Malini Rajendran (11:50 AM) AM)azing demographic research Ferenc
From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (11:51 AM) Using the internet for SOME research and education in some things
From: Bruce Schuman (11:55 AM) SDG on education: http://origin.org/mom/sdgsolution.cfm?sdg=100004
From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (11:57 AM) We’re designing a ZOOM/internet interactive course in the holistic systems approach to Peak Performance Practices for Academics and Sports/Activity. We had taught Los Angeles Unified School District teachers K-12 Professional Development classes with great success. WHO in schools currently learn HOW to CONCENTRATE? Or about emotional intelligence or … ? We integrate it all. And get outside!
From: Malini Rajendran (11:57 AM) SDG - quality Education for all. who is going to decide what is quality. in India we have seen a perfectly good and valuable Education system totally replaced my Maculayan formula of education to make employees for the British regimen instead of meeting the needs of local communities. And we now have that as "quality education" which is now the cause of huge unemployability to meet current challenges.
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (11:58 AM) @Kurt, sounds interesting and much needed now. Share more.
From: Bruce Schuman (11:59 AM) This point about highly sensitive personalization -- very important -- and not so easy
From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai (11:59 AM) @Kurt, I love that you are also helping teaching learn about themselves, the learner. So key.
From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (11:59 AM) @Kathryn, We’ll talk in the After Party Stanley puts every on to.
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:00 PM @Bruce - personalization requires self trust, something we avoid by standardization. and so are not skilled/trusting in that.
From: Diane Sue (12:00 PM https://www.weowntheschool.nl/en/
From: Malini Rajendran (12:00 PM yes. a vertical curriculum. Ran a progrAM), worked on this for three years, way back in 1974-1977. it needs to be revived. will be happy to share with anyone interested in taking it up.
From: Shannon McArthur (12:01 PM Nederland’s Humanity Rising - I think it is important to include Humanity in the title because it is not Nederlands that is rising - it is Humanity in the Nederlands, and everywhere.
From: Malini Rajendran (12:01 PM absolutely thank you for saying this.
From: Liliane Mavridara (12:01 PM @Shannon, good point.
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:01 PM @Shannon yes!
From: Shannon McArthur (12:01 PM Thank you Evelien
From: Liliane Mavridara (12:01 PM Thank you Evelien!
From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai (12:02 PM beautiful, thank you Evelien
From: Shannon McArthur (12:02 PM lovely panel!!
From: Danielle Hansmann (12:02 PM Thank you!
From: Ferenc van DAM)me (12:02 PM @Shannon: agree!
From: Malini Rajendran (12:02 PM thank you Eveline. would love to collaborate and share with you.
From: Shannon McArthur (12:02 PM The After-Party will be SO juicy and rich!!
From: Liliane Mavridara (12:02 PM And how we acknowledge and respect kids, reflects on how they grow to respect all life, including Nature.
From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (12:02 PM Learning From: ALL Our RELATIONS, other people, places/things,
From: Evelien Ketelaar (12:03 PM I ‘ll leave this meeting unfortunately but I loved to be here. I’ll share my thoughts and can answer later! Bye Bye to all!
From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (12:03 PM Evelien, plaatse connect with me ASAP. SuccessSystemsInternational@gmail.com
From: Bruce Schuman (12:04 PM HA!
From: Liliane Mavridara (12:04 PM Magnificent!
From: Bruce Schuman (12:04 PM not at the table, you're on the menu... hysterical but tragic....
From: Diane Skidmore (12:07 PM Hahaha - just cAM)e to the table - only for a few mins again tho as a neighbour is not well but - if I'm not at the table I'm on the menu? You'll eat me later??? Yaaaay - hope I'm tasty!!! hahaha
From: Malini Rajendran (12:07 PM love that so true. not on the table on the menu. we used this idea but not in the sAM)e beautiful way when deciding to engage with the ISO in formulation of international standards.
From: Bruce Schuman (12:08 PM ISO standards, Malini? I want to know more.
From: Malini Rajendran (12:09 PM @bruce. ok we'll speak about this during the chatpeople session today. @i was on the mirror commitee for tourism and food safety.
From: Shannon McArthur (12:11 PM I like your crazy!!
From: Danielle Hansmann (12:11 PM Ha me too!
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:11 PM @Liliane Yes!
From: Diane Skidmore (12:12 PM What a brilliant lady!! Friendship is everything!! We can do it together!!! Build relationshipping
From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (12:13 PM FUN Cultural Transformative Event - INCLUDING ALL AGES AND TYPES of people: How may we have peace and plenty for all? Here is a practical and fun way to start solving these problems… The annual World Fest is designed to create enjoyable times allowing one to let go of the negative forces around our world, to mingle with different peoples, to allow sociological barriers to dissipate, and to learn dynAM)ic ways for peace and ra egenerative life, while bringing copious AM)ounts of money to quality charities each year. With live streAM)ing for the world to participate as best they can and be inspired! Check out: www/theWorldFestOrganization.org Connect with me if you feel inspired with the vision. We can make the Vision come ALIVE! Kurt Krueger World Fest Inspirit
From: Me (12:13 PM The best kind of relationships come From: acts of helpfulness. Kindness is good. But helpfuness brings people into focus.
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:14 PM Yes - relationships are key yet - it is SO hard, for me, for Western folks, to take the time…
From: Liliane Mavridara (12:16 PM Sometimes when there is lot of tauma, there is an inability to see one another, let alone to let go of personal views (which in this case are cemented over centuries From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (12:16 PM Are you fAM)iliar with the Arbinger Institute’s work? On this topic
From: Annette Shaked (12:16 PM Could someone please repost the link to the 1st speaker's slides - I was having some tech challenges
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:16 PM @Liliane, right you are.
From: Ferenc van DAM)me (12:16 PM Radical Compassion, yeah!
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:16 PM @Kurt - they are AM)azing!
From: Bruce Schuman (12:18 PM "very annoying but AM)azing" : From: Liliane Mavridara (12:18 PM That's incredible Chantal, thank you.
From: Bruce Schuman (12:19 PM yes
From: Shannon McArthur (12:19 PM ty, Chantal
From: Katrien Braeckmans (12:19 PM 🙏 Thank you Chantal! 🙏
From: Silas Richardson (12:19 PM Chantal thanks
From: Danielle Hansmann (12:20 PM Yes, beautiful! Thank you Chantal!
From: Liliane Mavridara (12:20 PM Welcome back Jan!
From: Ruth Buzi (12:20 PM Chantal, can you please share your contact information?
From: Suzanne Marie (12:23 PM thank you, Chantal, for all you have done.
From: Chantal Suissa - Runne (12:24 PM Thank you for your kind words. My mail is casuissa@gmail.com feel free to contact me. Would love to!
From: Shannon McArthur (12:25 PM thank you so much, Chantal
From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (12:25 PM This should resonate with you and the extreme value Indigenous wisdom and power of the Feminine side. SACRED INSTRUCTIONS, bY Sherri Mitchell. THE ABSOLUTE BEST BOOK ON BLENDING INDIGENOUS WISDOM FOR LIVING THE LIFE WE WERE ALL MEANT TO LEAD - one of compassion and peace. Using Science, Regenerative agriculture, Feminine/Masculine, Spirituality, and Societal change... Listen to it while sitting with our feet bare and on mother earth. You’ll understand why, once you get a chapter or two in... It has tremendous teachings that bring harmony in all your relationships and oneself. It is the best book that I have ‘read’ in years! ANOTHER connector with nature is The Four Sacred Gifts, a great book by an indigenous elder, Anita Sanchez - former panelist on Humanity Rising.
From: Shannon McArthur (12:27 PM Stan!! sounds to me like your alley…
From: Ferenc van DAM)me (12:28 PM Small initiatives connected have Big Impact!
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:28 PM @Bruce - there is hope!
From: Me (12:28 PM Connecting the global actors will require continuing efforts at indexing who is doing and who is listening.
From: Danielle Hansmann (12:28 PM Panelists, let’s bring these ideas and perspectives to UpConvergence to unite our missions and projects..
From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:28 PM @Jan - have you thought to connect all the initiatives need the Meshworking Capacities of Anne-Marie Voorhoeve in the Hague Centre (a partner of Integral City)?
From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (12:28 PM
From: Shannon McArthur (12:28 PM yay, Jan!! thank you!!
From: Chantal Suissa - Runne (12:29 PM so much wisdom in 5 minutes is pretty impressive… thank you Jan!
From: Shannon McArthur (12:29 PM pumpkin pie!!!
From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:29 PM @Yolanda - thanks for bringing such vibrant panel together as NL Rising
From: Bruce Schuman (12:29 PM I already AM) a pumpkin.....
From: Shannon McArthur (12:29 PM NL HUMANITY Rising… let us do it together…
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:30 PM Contact info for J Rotmans?
From: Laura Madsen (12:31 PM Yes Jan — connection is the opportunity in the shake up of crisis.
From: Liliane Mavridara (12:31 PM Fire is a warming place where everyone gets around and connect, make music, and share!
From: Me (12:32 PM Connections require records, indexes, of who does what. The Encyclopedia of World Problems and Human Potential is a GREAT compendium of who is doing what. We need to bring Anthony Judge here to Humanity Rising. He was the Editor of the Encyclopedia for much of it's existence.
From: Shannon McArthur (12:33 PM yes STAN!
From: Danielle Hansmann (12:33 PM We are connecting right now, but we need to unite in more meaningful ways, with everyone aiming at a united vision for the future
From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai (12:33 PM I also feel that the word Humanity should stay
From: Me (12:33 PM https://othernetworks.org/Encyclopedia_of_World_Problems_and_Human_Potential
From: Shannon McArthur (12:34 PM party!
From: Liliane Mavridara (12:34 PM I miss parties in person!
From: Ferenc van DAM)me (12:34 PM Party!
From: Diane Skidmore (12:34 PM Together we're strong!! All tiny parts of the sAM)e jigsaw!! (Phew - just made it back - thank you Nederlands) Thank you HUMANITY!!! Together we Rise!!!
From: Katrien Braeckmans (12:34 PM Yesss great Idea: let’s party! And celebrate humanity rising!
From: Victoria Schwarz Schwarz (12:34 PM Jim, I was JUST saying that to someone!
From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai (12:35 PM The Deutsch rock I agree, they are fearless, in your face and we love them
From: Shannon McArthur (12:35 PM we are the fringe… rising!!
From: Marilyn HAM)ilton (12:35 PM disruption in the interstitial zones ...yes!
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:35 PM The center is about stability, the changes are about change and creativity.
From: Leo Jacoby (12:35 PM Ferenc's SLIDES 1
Yes, of course... 'change' is of all ages Everything changes but change itself. Everything flows and nothing remains the sAM)e... You cannot step twice into the sAM)e river, for other waters and yet others go flowing ever on. (Heraclitus)
...but change is speeding up... Agrarian Revolution 8000 jaar Industrial Revolution 125 jaar Invention of the lightbulb Landing on the moon 22 jaar Internet 9 jaar Human genome decoded ? jaar 'The Singularity'
"When the winds of change are blowing some people are building shelters, while others are building windmills" (Society 3.0 From: Yolanda Eijgenstein (12:36 PM Lets party!!! With all this lovable connectors!! Thanks for listening, suggesting and lets meet soon! When you need info about your local plans let me know. yolanda@movingleadership.nl
From: Leo Jacoby (12:36 PM SLIDES 2 organisations reap what they sow... Style of Participation | Leadership style Owner, Initiator Decider | Facilitating Partner | Cooperative Co-decider | Delegating Advisor at start of process | Participative Advisor at end of process | Consultative Onlooker, Informant Receiver of information | Open Authoritarian None | Closed Authoritarian
steps the 'sender' should agree per project, theme or subject on Why? Why do you say you want interaction/participation? Why should it be on a particular level Of the ladder? Do we all agree on 'why' ? What? What are the rules in this particular case? What is each stakholders position or role? What Should people expect? Who? Who do you need for this project? 'Everybody' is not one kind of people Who are you? How? You can only determine 'how' after you have thoroughly discussed and agreed on the above questions! Or you will end up with failure and disappointment
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:36 PM @LEO! Thanks!
From: Leo Jacoby (12:36 PM SLIDES # traditional, old school 'participation' of course we try, with our best folders, websites, newsletters, info-evenings, townhall gatherings focusgroups, competitions 'fun' meetings with a (local) celebrity, 'stakeholders" analyses, etc and of course we listen to Citizen Panels Youth Councils Neighbourhood and village councils Pressure and interest groups
and people under 45?... 'The Netherlands is heading the wrong way' 2007: 43% 2018: 57% 'Distrust of governments/politicians ' 2007: 68% 2018: 74% 'Distrust of traditional media' 2007: 57% 2018: 78% 180 research, 2018 This polarising process is speeding up during COVID.
time for a different attitude? 'Everything you do for me but not with me you do against me!' (Mahatma Gandhi From: Shannon McArthur (12:36 PM thank you Yolanda, for bringing these wonderful people to us, our awareness!
From: Leo Jacoby (12:36 PM SLIDES $ be aware of your own righteous frAM)ing... HOEVER MOET HET KOMEN? How far should things go?
target groups: different but real people... Motivaction (a.o.): 8 'social groups' each with their own fixed values 8 World Views and 4 views on citizenship [% change in the last 60 years] Responsibles (30% Cosmopolitans 13% [12,5,11,6,10,6]
New conservatives 8% [7,10,9,5,5,1] Postmaterialists 9% [9,3,11,11,7,.5]
Dutiful Followers (13% Traditional Citizens 13% [37,32,30,15,14,6] Structure Seekers (32% + increasing Modern mainstreAM) Citizens 22% [26,36,21,29,25,18]
Convenience orientated Easy going 10% [0,4,7,12,13,24]
Pragmatists (25% + increasing Social climbers 15% [10,8,7,11,16,32]
Postmodern hedonists 10% [0,1,5,9,10,11]
National Council for public Government 'Let go in confidence and trust' (2012) "The Netherlands already are a 'Vital Society'!" "To make room for the vitality of society politicians, governments and civil servants need to undergo an urgent and radical
From: Doreen Tanenbaum (12:37 PM A new news progrAM) From: Humanity Rising
From: Shannon McArthur (12:37 PM oooo Doreen!!
From: Danielle Hansmann (12:37 PM Yes yes yes!!! Thank you Jim! Let’s put all our drops in the sAM)e bucket!!!
From: Ferenc van DAM)me (12:37 PM Radical Connection, Yeah!
From: Me (12:37 PM Do you know Jeanne van Heeswijk? She was here in Philadelphia doing Philadelphia Assembled.
From: Kala Perkins (12:37 PM So very True Jim!!
From: Bruce Schuman (12:37 PM "let's radically collaborate with everything in the world that is good...."
From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai (12:37 PM love Radical Connection :) From: Kurt Krueger, Success Systems International Founding President (12:38 PM Panelist, please come to the After party, connect with Stanley Pokras
From: Me (12:38 PM https://wikidelphia.org/Philadelphia_Assembled
From: Kala Perkins (12:38 PM The invincibility of Indra’s Net💙
From: Diane Skidmore (12:38 PM Wahaaaay!! Radically connect ALL the people and ALL the issues - ALL the way!! ALL the time!! ALL of LIFE and all its creatures
From: Kathryn Alexander, MA (12:38 PM @KALA YES!!!! the old is now new.
From: Me (12:38 PM Dear Chat PEOPLE and panelists Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting after this session closes. You can join the Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09 Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451 Passcode: 919541
